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To My Fellow Hillary Supporters: Why We Must Unify Behind Obama
To the end, I have been proud to have supported Hillary Clinton for president. Her race showed strength, tenacity and a commitment to improving the lives of all Americans. What spurred many of us on was a belief in issues like ending the war in Iraq, improving our standing in the world, providing universal health care and a number of other progressive causes and believing she was the best person to get us there. Unfortunately despite her best efforts and those of many of us, Hillary was not able to get enough delegates to win the nominations. Many of us have bitter feelings about things that happened during the campaign, however if we look to the big picture and truly care about attaining a better and more just America, we need to put those feelings aside and passionately unite behind the candidacy of Barack Obama.
In her concession speech, Hillary detailed many of the issues she strongly believes in and how Barack Obama shares those beliefs. Because it needs to be clear that John McCain does not. Obama and Hillary agree on most polices and ideals. McCain and Hillary do not. Obama and Hillary both want to move towards ending the war in Iraq soon. McCain does not. Obama and Hillary believe in ending the Bush tax cuts that mostly benefit high income Americans and giving a true tax cut to working Americans that need it. McCain does not. Obama and Hilary believe in moving towards universal health care. McCain does not. Obama and Hillary believe in the rights of workers to unionize and organize to improve their lot. McCain does not. Obama and Hillary believe in taking the measures necessary to protect the rights of all Americans regardless of race, sex, ethnicity or sexual orientation. McCain does not. I could go on and on issues that Obama and Hillary think alike and McCain does not. These are all reasons that Obama must win.
For her campaign and what she has done in the Senate, Hillary deserves a place at the table at the highest levels of the Democratic Party. Whether she ends up on the ticket, serving in the Obama cabinet, or enhancing her position in the Senate, Hillary will continue to have enormous influence and do great things for this country. This should begin with influence on the Party platform and other key areas leading up the Convention and the general election. This will all mean a lot less if John McCain wins. If we want to enhance Hillary's legacies we must join her on the campaign trail for Barack Obama. Our country needs a Democratic president as our future depends on it. With the help of Hillary and others Barack Obama will lead our country in a new and better directions. So I hope to see many of you whom I met on trips to New Hampshire and Pennsylvania or working in New York on the campaign trail this fall to elect Barack Obama!
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ENOUGH ALREADY!!
This article stated why Clinton supporters should vote for Obama. The article is directed at people who are undecided. This article is not about why Clinton is/was a bad choice or why Obama is/was a bad choice.
In every primary there is a winner and a loser. Not one of these candidates is perfect, or will ever be perfect!! Clinton supporters perceived what they believe as truth and Obama supporters perceived what they believe as truth. No individual is going to alter the opinions of Clinton"s or Obama"s supporters regardless of what is stated here or outside the blogsphere. Therefore, why are individuals attempting to change other people"s perception? If Clinton"s supporter want to vote for McCain or abstain from voting let them. An individual has the right to vote for whomever they desire. Similar to voters having the right to elect whom they wish for the next president without demands and threats; Obama should be given the right to elect who he desires for VP without demands and threats from anyone.
If you do not agree with Obama"s or Clinton"s issues that is your choice. If you simply do not like Clinton or Obama, whatever your reason(s) may be that is your choice. However, all this bickering, demanding, intimidating, and rehashing of events is not accomplishing any resolutions--only more anger and division.
"For her campaign and what she has done in the Senate, Hillary deserves a place at the table at the highest levels of the Democratic Party."
I note your return to reality and welcome the fact that you see great efforts and great opportunities to solve the problems that will soon be dumped at our feet. We've got much work ahead of us.
However, the sexist/racist/elitist tactics that were used by the Clinton Party were designed with two purposes in mind... divide and destroy the Democratic Party's decades old attempt to forge bonds and unity. The destruction has been done.
Yes, invite and encourage those who were disaffected by the Clinton tactics to rejoin the Democratic Party and play an active and constructive role by choosing from a wide array of real issues that face us... but leave your demands and overblown sense of entitlement at the door. Come to work. Contribute your skills and talents.
Anyone who would vote for McW was never a Democrat in the first place. No amount of placation will affect that reality.
With each passing day the HRC stuff is more and more becoming old news. Those that choose to vote against their best interest don't get it because they don't want to. Come November, unless sufficiently enlightened, they will vote their "hearts" and the rest will vote with their brains. The individuals posing as ardent HRC supporters as a means to serve their hidden agenda's won't vote for him anyways because come November, chances are he'll still be bla*k. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.. Simple as that.
Yes, some of the Clinton voters choosing McCain may be doing it because of race. Especially the woman in the Thomas Jefferson society that banned Sally Hemmings.
But when you call all former HRC supporters racists, it doesn't help Obama, and it isn't true. Many, many people invested their hopes and dreams in Clinton, just as many did in Obama. If the shoe were on the other foot, and Clinton barely got more delegates than Obama, I for one wouldn't be claiming that all Obama supporters who won't support Clinton for prez are sexists. Are some? Yes. Are all? No way.
A very significant percentage of Clinton supporters is undecided or is supporting McCain at this moment. I for one will abstain in November. We matter, and calling us racists certainly isn't going to get on board.
How Obama can unite the party:
He can not drag out the VP selection until August. It will be fatal to his campaign. The division will continue as long as there is the possibility that she will be on the ticket. We need to know very very soon whether that is the case.
If she is on the ticket - O supporters will have time to get used to it and there will be a quick solidifying of the base and a sure win in November.
If she is not on the ticket - O will have more time to get HC supporters to his side. Doing it too late will cause big problems.
IMO, there will be a second, even larger wave of anger at O and the DNC if and when he doesn't offer HRC a spot on the ticket. Right now for many, the dream is still alive - people are waiting and watching.
If it's not going to happen, better to have that bubble popped sooner than later.
And I guess you know this to be true for every one who supported HRC during the primaries? Oh WOW you are a genius. It must be nice to have such "strategery"! LOL!!!
I think a very large majority of HC supporters would be absolutely thrilled for her to be on the ticket. I also think the ones who say they don't want her on it out of spite would quickly drop their Mc Cane talk the minute she started campaigning side by side with O.
I think you're right.
closetodemfection, you make a lot of sense in terms of strategy. The one other strategic consideration, is who McCain names. Obama might be waiting to see if McCain picks first (and vice versa).
If McCain chooses Carly Fiorina or Kay Bailey Hutchison or someone similar, who might appeal to some disaffected Clinton supporters, Obama may have no choice but to pick Hillary Clinton. This would be the only reason I can see Obama stretching it out. But, you are right, the longer Obama diddle-daddles, sending mixed messages on Hillary Clinton (praising her publicly, but making private decisions like Solis Doyle as COS for VP), the more disaffected Clinton voters become.
I am still dreaming of the dream ticket. Obama-Clinton '08 would be great. If it doesn't happen, I'll abstain in November for president.
statsguy, I have thought that myself. There is also talk McCain may pick Sarah Palin the Governor of Alaska. She's the most popular governor in the country with a 90% approval rating. Young, very attractive - a former beauty queen in fact, fiscally conservative but progressive on energy and some social issues, i.e. she supports civil unions, etc...
Someone like that would make things very challenging for O.
And yes, I too am still dreaming of the dream ticket :)
All Obama has to do to unite the party is to continue campaigning as he has been. I doubt there will be any surprise at all if he doesn't pick Hillary as his running mate. I can see it now, Obama/Clinton 08 stickers with the Clinton blacked out with a sharpie. That's the kind of polarizing figure she is. God I wish my fellow Dems would see that. People love to hate her and other simply wishes she would go away. She has no support outside her base.
I'll never vote for anbody, ever!
I think HuffPo needs to invest in some psychological help for it's commentors, specifically the Obama supporters who can't stop trashing Hillary. Can we get some professional posters to explain what that means in psych circles? Problems with female authority figures, female rivalry, mommy issues.
Here, here! Thank you.
There is a lot of that back and forth from "supporters" of both Senators Clinton and Obama, it is stupid. And pointless at this stage. But the psychological help would have to apply to both groups of "supporters."
Let me tell you what I do everyday Cleveland. I come out to this site hoping that there isn't anything negative about Hillary. There always is and as long as there is, I will be here to defend her. One day perhaps soon, there won't be anything about her. Then I can go on to something else.
If my mommy was a warmonger who, among other things, voted to continue cluster bombing civilians I'd have harsh things to say about her, too.
Why was she a warmonger, those of us that are old enough to remember know that the Clinton administration worked aggressively making peace in N.Ireland, The Middle East and Ex- Yugoslavia. they also had a 73 % approval rating and were strong friends with democracies around the world. They also worked on Kyoto a major global enviromental policy. How come you don't know this stuff ???
Great idea! Perhaps they can help with your lingering anger and bitterness.
So the Clinton supporter that wrote this post is trashing Hillary? Strange indeed.
No true Democrat would vote for a Republican (especially not John McCain). Barack Obama won fair and square. The Clintons are responsible for their loss. They attacked Barack Obama and his family and he held his ground and it paid off. It shows that the American people are sick of the way the country has been run in the last twenty years and it's time for a change. Like it or not Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States of America and I couldn't be prouder.
AMERICA RALLY BEHIND THE BEST THING (BARACK OBAMA) THAT'S HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY IN A LONG TIME.
The first person to attack anyone in the Democratic primary was when Barack Obama attacked Hillary Clinton in the summer of 2007. He said Hillary Clinton was "Bush-Cheney lite." It'd be funny if so many people didn't actually end up believing it. He went first, which is fine, because he was behind. But to suggest Hillary Clinton is the attacker and Obama the victim is just wrong. In politics, people attack. And Obama went first.
Based on her voting record, she is Bush/Cheney lite. Go look at it. The proofis in the pudding.
He did not however, suggest Mc Cain would be a better choice than his Democratic rival as she did. He never mocked her on the stump, as she did. Nor did he say her supporters were naive and delusional, as she did. He didn't pounce on every comment and twist it to score political points, as she did.
Vsign, Obama is not a blank state i'ts just that you and the media continually and purposely forget that he has been a public servant way longer than Hillary. Stop denying that he was the Illinois Senator for years, that's like denying Bush and Clinton the fact that they were Governors before taking office.
Tired of the dismisiveness from some of you clowns who know nothing about Obama yet you spew out half truths and blatant lies.
Do ya research dummies!
Thank you Truthfighter1...I couldn't have said it better myself. Barack Obama really is the better man for the job!
Are you insane? He has not been a public servant longer than she has. It is very sexist of you to suggest that being First Lady of Arkansas or First Lady of the United States is not being a public serv ant. Truthfighter, to fight for the truth you better know what the truth is.
So what she was those first ladies, doesn't mean she has experience, unless of course you mean through pillow talk or osmosis!
We know he was in the Illinois state legislature. We just think time in federal or gubernatorial office is a qualification for being president and state legislator is much less so. Clinton had 7 years and 2 elections to the U.S. Senate under her belt, not considering any other previous experience, and Obama had only 3 years and 1 election to the U.S. Senate under his belt. And yes, I know Abraham Lincoln was also in the state legislature.
Interesting, so McCain's your guy, and Bush before him? And people, please get over yourselves with spotting sexism and racism around every corner, in every statement and under every rock. IT IS THERE, IT EXISTS. But no one is going to win anything by trying to be more of a victim than everybody else. Discrimination and prejudice are out there and they affect everything, however, they are not present in sufficient quantities to be THE deciding factor in much of anything anymore. Black people, yes it may be harder for you. Women, yes it may be harder for you. Black women, my sympathies. But Black folks and women have overcome greater odds than these at the present to achieve and will continue to do so.
...and in her biggest test, she failed miserably, voting to support Bush's war.
Being governor is administrative experience, so it does provide better experience for the presidency than being a senator.
So you would have been against Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Abraham Lincoln or Dwight Eisenhower, or for that matter Thomas Jefferson? I think rlying on tenure in DC as a qualification for president is a huge mistake. If anything his lack of time in DC is a boon.
Let's look at what she learned.... Oh my, she voted with conservative Republicans a whole lot. She actually trusted George Bush enough to give him authorization to go to war. In all that time int he senate she rarely ever challenged the administration. I could go on and on. So stick with your Obama has less experience canard and I'll anal;yze what they did with that experience. It's clear, Obama has shown better judgment. It's clear he has been willing to stand up to the administration and speak out against invading Iraq when it wasn't politically expedient to do so.
statsguy is not a forme Clinton supporter but McCain troll, don't pay him any attention, I see him everywhere on here trying to spew divisivenss...
Always remember during the Dem Campaign, Obama's supporters where still very supportive of her if Obama lost according to all the exit Polls, It was the Hill supporters who stored so much hate for Obama, why? i do not know.
Wrong. I am a Clinton supporter. Please go back and read my posts from during the primary season. I stopped posting after New Hampshire because of posts like yours. I can't actually offer a sensible opinion, which you have a right to disagree with, without being called a 'troll' or a 'Republican.' Sorry, but I'm a Democrat. I voted for Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday. I'm abstaining in the fall.
If youa re abstaining in the fall you don't deserve the right to vote. Quit your damn whining. My first choice didn't make it either. Hell, they never have but I never sat on my ass and let the Republicans just take it. If you are a Democrat then please leave the party. We don't need or want people who don't want to play by the rules.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. HILLARY AND OBAMA HAVE THNGS IN COMMON. THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES:
HILLARY IS EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT. OBAMA IS NOT!!!
HILLARY TRULY LOVES THIS COUNTRY!! OBAMA SHARES OPINIONS OF RADICALS, RACISTS AND PEOPLE WHO HOLD ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENTS; HIS WIFE AMONG THEM!!! HILLARY WAS THE VICTIM OF BLATANT SEXISM AND MISOGNY IN THE MEDIA. NOBODY STOOD UP FOR HER - NOT OBAMA, NOT THE DNC, NOT ANY OF HER FELLOW COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE!!
HILLARY WON THIS NOMINATION -- SHE GOT THE POPULAR VOTE AND IF THE DELEGATES AND VOTES SHE EARNED IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WERE NOT STOLEN FROM HER AND HANDED OVER TO OBAMA, SHE WOULD BE THE WINNER OF BOTH THE POPULAR VOTE AND THE PLEDGED DELEGATES!!!
IF THE SUPERDELEGATES REALLY WANTED A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE ,THEY WOULD HAVE PICKED THE ONE WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE OF BEATING MC CAIN. THAT IS HILLARY CLINTON!!! THEY WOULD HAVE PICKED THE ONE WHO WOULD BE BEST PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS HILLARY CLINTON!!
MILLIONS OF US - WHO PLEDGE NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE ANGRY AT THE UNFAIRNESS OF THE PROCESS - OBAMA WAS 'CHOSEN' : THE PROCESS WAS FIXED!! THEY DON'T EVEN WANT HILLARY TO BE PART OF THE ROLE CALL AT THE NOMINATION!! THIS IS UNHEARD OF!!! HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT THE CANDIDATE WHO HAS RECIEVED MORE VOTES IN PRIMARIES THAN ANYONE ELSE
Look! ME USE BIG LETTER TOO!!!!
Wowww!!!! JimR, your response covers pretty much everything..LOL. with rage like that shown above the only thing someone that angry needs is a quiet room and space.
Hillary couldn't win her own party's nomination or raise money to stay in it. She is loathed by Republicans, and now Democrats alike.She wouldn't stand a chance of winning in November. When the kool aid wears off, come back, we will wlelcome you with open arms. Incidentally, she did not win any popular vote unless you disclude caucus states, almost all of them. It's not a perfect system but to say it was "fixed" is just plain paranoid. He ran a better campaign than she did, it's that simple.
Alright, I didn't read anything of what you just wrote. All the shouting was getting in the way. Next time, if you want to make a point take your Caps Lock OFF.
Addided to CAP
Many of the Faux Hillary supporters on this site are part of "Rush Limbaugh" s Operation Chaos followers.
Besides, the latest polls tell a different story Obama leading in Florida +4, Ohio +6, and Pennsylvania +12.
If you truly believe in Hillary"s policies then you need to vote for a Democratic President So Hillary and Others in Congress can get things done! Simple as that! All the rest of you are Fake Faux supporters.
Let me correct you - that is the latest POLL (singular) as Rasmussen came out today with Mc Cane leading in FL.
The poll you refer to is a new university poll that also predicted HC and G-uilianni would be the dem and repub nominees. So don't get too excited about its accuracy.
Thirdly, while t r olls exist, the majority of HC supporters here are not. You have your head in the sand if you write off every dissenting voice as a t roll.
Your country needs you and you'd prefer to not participate out of some deranged spite or deluded fear of an Obama presidency, unless of course your precsious is onthe ticket but you have the audacity to say soemone else has their head int he sand. Wow.
"Many of us have bitter feelings about things that happened during the campaign"
Yes, I was bitter, stunned and outraged at the conduct of our US Senator during this campaign, but moving on¦
It will be a very lively time in NYC if HRC is appointed to a position in the Obama WH leaving an open seat for US Senate. I will be looking very closely at candidates that broke with the party and endorsed Obama from the beginning. As I believe many NY'ers will.
A nice column, kudos. But I will not vote for Obama unless Hillary Clinton is VP. I'm not voting for McCain, I'm simply abstaining. I will be -1 less vote for Obama that he otherwise could get. I'm a center-left Democrat who cares about the economy and terrorism. There were some issue differences between Obama and Clinton, namely the gas tax; health care; terrorism; and foreign policy. McCain is closer to Clinton on 3 of the 4, and Obama is closer to Clinton on 1 (health care). There are a number of other issues where Clinton and Obama agree.
Obama, his staff and supporters have trashed Clinton. That is fine during the primary, but it is over. Yet, here, we see Obama supporters with Clinton Derangement Syndrome who can't stop attacking. His own staff chose Solis Doyle to run VP, suggesting Hillary Clinton will NOT be vp. They have ignored concerns from many Clinton fundraisers. They have ignored the requests of many rank-and-file Democrats who supported Clinton. Obama says nice things about Hillary Clinton in speeches, but so does John McCain. Neither have any actions suggesting they support Clinton at all, and I don't believe either one. Thus, I am going to make a substantive decision to abstain this year, unless one of the candidates chooses Hillary Clinton for VP. Both Obama and McCain, while flawed, are both better than our current president and it doesn't really matter.
Why do you want Hillary to be VP, it's hardly the best job you could wish for her.
Aside from that, saying you won't vote Obama unless she is VP pick, seems childish. A true democrat won't attach conditions like that.
People who vote for Hillary or McCain are not Democrats!
I'm a Democrat. I've voted in every Democratic primary since I have been 18. But really, a party is just a party, a coalition of people who often don't agree. It's not a family or some thing so fundamental that I can't ask for a barter for my support. If Obama wants my support, then he should pick Clinton. If not, that is fine. It means he is trying to win without my support and without past-Clinton voters' support. It's not a big deal. He makes a choice, then I make a choice to abstain.
Sometimes there is something more important than being a democrat and that's doing what is best for your country.
So she is allegedly tough enough to be president, but you childishly demand that people say nice things about her? Whether McCain or Obama is elected, there will be people who will not say nice things about the president. It's a tough job, and it doesn't sound like she's up to it if she gets all upset when people call her names.
"..[But you childishly demand that people say nice things about her?" No, if you read my post, I actually said I'd prefer for Obama and his campaign to do more than say nice things. I want less praise from Obama on the stump, and more action in terms of brining Clinton in. He hasn't done much to get her rank-and-file supporters on board, her fundraisers are mad that the campaign is ignoring them, and no one has been hired from the Clinton campaign besides Solis Doyle, which was done as to send a signal to Clinton voters and supporters that she won't be veep. What I'd prefer is action, not words, from Obama. Put her on the ticket, and he has my vote, enthusiastically. That action will say a lot about him, and will make me re-think him quite a bit. If he doesn't, I'm abstaining.
Any Hillary supporter (me) who wants McCain to put justices on the Supreme Court was never a Hillary supporter.
Did you read my post. I'm not voting for McCain. Nor am I voting for Obama, unless the ticket is Obama-Clinton. And the Supreme Court issue isn't big with me. I am concerned ab about the economy and terrorism. Neither Obama nor McCain seem to have any interest in the economy, though Obama is better on those issues. And on terrorism and security, McCain is better than Obama. I'm indifferent.
***Obama, his staff and supporters have trashed Clinton.***
I am sorry, but that is the biggest lie I've heard in about a year. It was Hillary who kept trashing Obama with negative remarks about him, and yet he played the gentleman every time.
And you damn well know it.
You have taken my quote out of context. Here's the whole thing: "Obama, his staff and supporters have trashed Clinton. That is fine during the primary, but it is over." Note I said it is fine during the primary. It is called politics. But in politics, when someone wins and another loses in a primary, that winner courts the loser and the loser's supporters. And this occurs with more than just nice talk. McCain keeps praising Clinton, but I'm not voting for him. His words are disingenuous. Obama says the same nice words about Clinton, but behind the scenes does everything in his power to keep her from having any role or voice as I noted above. The negativity toward my post has shown Obama bloggers haven't stopped attacking her. I didn't say anything bad about Obama or McCain, other than I don't really care for either one, yet they are both better than Bush.
Well thank you for peptuating the stereotype that Clitnon supporters are selfish and bitter people who would just as soon enable Mc Cain that support their party's nominee. Head down to your county clerk's office and re-register as Independent or Republican. We don't want you in the Democratic Party. Even your candidate has come around. Besides what is their to support regarding Senator Clinton? Her re-election bid in New York?
No, I'm going to stay a Democrat. And I'm going to keep asking my Democratic elected officials for things like truly universal health care and protecting our country from terrorism. Sorry, you don't get to push me out because you don't agree with me, just as you have every right to be a Democrat as well. Should Fannie Lou Hamer just have become an independent because she wanted to attend the Democratic Convention but was told not to?
I, for one, can't just forget the sexism and vile comments this poor woman was subjected to! I'm going to vote for McCain, unless I receive a personal apology from each and every Obama supporter on the planet! You ALL ought to be ashamed of yourselves! I'm going to hold my breath until you all come crawling on your knees and apologize, even if my head explodes! Ahhhhhh...
BLAM!
Are you serious ? Who was sexist with Hillary ? Barack ? That's what you're gonna say, aren't you ?
Come on, let's be serious for a moment, so you're ready to betray your candidate and all she's been fighting for since she's a public servant, just because no Obama supporter sent you a personal apology, that's really funny. Because you think McCain't will invite Clinton to work with him if he's elected ? Right ?
What you're saying is really childish you know, if you're a true Clinton supporter why don't you start by helping her pay her debt ?
You really need to grow up my friend.
Damon, methinks he is JOKING!
I think he was joking,
You need to get a sense of humor my friend... it was a joke. You're too easy!
Clearly he was serious.
It gets worse---what planet are you people living on, anyway? Poor woman? You jest. She trashed Obama every chance she got---I now think it is you guys who belong to a cult. You must, for you are completely divorced from reality, or seem to be, you and statsguy.
I bet you're being sarcastic aren't you?
I'm really, really, really, really, really sorry. Really. No, really.
There is too big of a character difference between Hillary and Obama. I have followed Hillary for years and her character is seasoned and honed with battles she has won and some she has lost. She continues to be true to me. Obama is a blank slate. He could do anything and be anyone he chooses. No one cares about his character. You only seem to care that his policies are the same as Hillary's. He stole them. In the debates, he would let Hillary answer policy questions and then affirm them. He does not have the experience to choose the right policies on his own.
Obama is a loose cannon - and has little character. He just wears the latest color fad.
I wash my hands of putting all the power and wealth of America into the hands of such a man. I wash my hands of it.
"I wash my hands of putting all the power and wealth of America into the hands of such a man. I wash my hands of it."
Stop being such a drama queen.
lol...methinks he is channelin pontius pilate..one question tho..where do u think pilate is AT THIS VERY MOMENT?
hmm?
He wasn't "wearing the latest color fad" (sic) when he spoke out against going to war with Iraq. He took a principled position which was not popular with the American public. It was Hillary Clinton who was afraid of public opinion and was thinking about her future run for the presidency who voted for a completely unnecessay war. Who has little character?
Many of us on the Obama side also considered the character of the candidates prior to deciding who we wanted to have as our nation's leader.
Be sure to use anti-bacterial soap. It appears you've already had your brain washed.
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