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Larry Magid

Larry Magid

Posted: October 18, 2010 11:58 PM

The breach that allowed application developers to disclose user information to advertisers, isn't Facebook's only current privacy problem. There is also the issue of Facebook's new Groups.

Announced a couple of weeks ago, the Groups feature allows Facebook users to carry on semiprivate conversations with (as Facebook advertises them) "small groups of friends." Facebook promoted this as a privacy feature but, depending on how it's used, Groups can also jeopardize privacy.

Trouble is, what starts out as a small group can quickly mushroom into a large one, and it's quite possible that the group could contain members who are not your friends or even friends of the person who created the group.

Use with Caution

I like the idea of Groups and can see how it can enhance privacy by giving people the ability to communicate with a select group of friends instead of their entire friends list. But until Facebook fixes a couple of privacy loopholes, I recommend people approach Groups with a bit of caution. A group is fine as long as you are aware of who is in it, but if things get out of hand, you could wind up sharing information with a much larger group than you had thought.

Any Facebook member can create a new group simply by going to facebook.com/groups. As part of the group creation process, you're asked to specify the initial members, which can include any of your friends. You can always go back and add members but so can any of the other members.

So if you've created a group for your book club, there is nothing to stop members of your club from adding additional people, including people you and the rest of the group don't know. True, all members of the group can see the names of every other member and the group administrator can remove any members who shouldn't be there, but this is all after the fact. Once someone is added to the group, they can post and see everything posted until the administrator gets around to removing them.

Another troubling aspect to Groups is that, unlike a friend request, you don't have to agree to be added to a group. Once you're added you're in, unless you remove yourself. As a way of proving this point, TechCrunch editor Michael Arrington created a fake NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) group and added Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg as a member. Zuckerberg quickly removed himself from the group, but if he hadn't, someone could have gotten the wrong impression.

Three Types of Groups

Finally, it's important to understand that there are three types of Facebook groups: Open, Closed and Secret. With Open groups, both the membership list and everything people post is open for anyone to see. The default setting is Closed; with Closed groups, the content can be seen only by members but the membership list and the fact that the group exists is public.

So, if you're a member of a Closed group anyone -- including people who aren't members -- might know you're in it. What's more, that information could be posted to your News Feed so if you have any secret interests, you better not join a "closed" group. Also, people in companies need to be careful about setting up groups that can reveal your organizational structure to competitors.

If you want to set up a group that hides everything from nonmembers, it had better be a "Secret" group.

Although it's an annoyance, not a privacy issue, all messages posted to the group are sent to the e-mail address associated with each member's Facebook account. That can be a good feature if the traffic level is moderate, but not with high-traffic groups. Fortunately, that can be turned off by clicking "Edit Settings" when you're on the Groups page.

How Facebook Could Improve Groups Privacy

Based on what I've seen of Groups, a bit of modification is in order. I would like to see Facebook give administrators the option of approving new group members before they're added, just as Facebook users must approve new friends.

I also think that people should not be added to groups without their permission. Their name shouldn't be associated with a group until they agree to be a member.

Finally, members of groups should have the option of being notified by e-mail or a Facebook message every time a new member joins. There should also be a clear link where members can send a note to the administrator if they are concerned about a new member or see offensive, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate context that they think should be removed.

What You Can Do to Increase Your Groups Privacy

  • If you're the administrator, consider making it a secret group. If you're not the admin, ask that person to consider changing it to secret. Admins can change settings under "edit group."
  • Ask everyone in your group to agree not to add people who shouldn't be there
  • Check frequently to see who is in the group. If you're not happy with members leave the group or be extra cautious before posting. Click "See All" in upper left corner of Group page to view members

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Disclosure: Larry Magid is co-director of Connectsafely.org, a non-profit Internet Safety organization that receives funding from Facebook and other companies

This article first appeared in the San Jose Mercury News

 

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11:42 PM on 10/22/2010
Thank you Larry for the analysis. I believe that not only our privacy is at stake here, but also our online identity to some extent. We just released a small presentation that cover these points. I think it fits nicely as an extra to your article. -> http://slidesha.re/bXYEIf
09:53 AM on 10/20/2010
If you have concerns about your privacy, simply stay away from Facebook. Anything that popular which costs nothing to use, should be viewed with suspicion.
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aDelphinium
Occupy with heart
02:51 AM on 10/20/2010
I have a very important warning to anyone who is in or is thinking of joining a group.
About a week ago, a friend created a group for four friends, so we could converse privately instead of on someone's wall. Everything was find, until the three of got into very lively discussions.

Suddenly, two of the members were BLOCKED by FB. Apparently for "abusive behavior". There was NOTHING abusive in their post, no complaints! Not only were they unable to post to the group but were blocked from posting anything on FB! One, will call Jane, related that she got multiple messages
from FB with "spelling words" to check if she was a human and not a bot. Jane explained that she
spelled the words correctly, each time she entered the words. Then she was on "probation" and had
a warning that if the behavior continued, her account could be permanently disabled.

The issue was finally resolved, for both friends. We "self-destructed" the group.

Another thing, Jane created the group, she was the admin. She decided she didn't want to be the admin (why did we need an "admin"?). She left the group, then rejoined. Although she was no longer
the admin, her email (@groups.facebook.com) still showed as the contact person.

In conclusion, I would not recommend groups to anyone. Look at this mess with just FOUR members!
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Barry Dennis
personal decisions, personal consequences
06:29 PM on 10/19/2010
Larry, you have offered excellent Commentary, and a partial blueprint of Facebook development options.
If the object of Facebook, however, is facilitiating Friends and Family interaction, AND creating opportunities for expanded "groups" around the world, with the interactivity that universe implies Facebook needs additional Group formation and affinity Search options.
Necessarily, until all the future options go through their trial and error shakedown periods there will be angst and agita, aggravation and security isses.
Bona Fortuna to all of us who hope for worldwide participation; millions of new Friends we just "haven't met yet."
ThePeacemakers
Concerned Citizen
06:29 PM on 10/19/2010
Your groups should demand a cut of the advertiser revenues your content is generating.
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othel
ask NOT what your country WILL do for you
05:53 PM on 10/19/2010
Why does someone feel compelled to "expose" themselves to 1/2 billion other people? There's nothing done on FaceBook that can't be accomplished thru other safer means.
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Larry Magid
11:12 PM on 10/19/2010
There really are ways to avoid exposing yourself to everyone on Facebook. That's why I write these articles, so people know how to use FB's privacy tools.
04:50 PM on 10/19/2010
It sounds like somebody is afraid of us.
04:01 PM on 10/19/2010
I'm not on Facebook, and I can't understand how anyone in his senses can be on it.
03:37 PM on 10/20/2010
Yet you still read the article and felt the need to comment. Makes me wonder if you are "in your senses".
01:47 PM on 10/19/2010
While most people get up in arms about data security, more should care about data privacy. There are security breaches to be sure. But we willingly (albeit unexpectedly) give up our right to data privacy every day. Read about and comment on the topic at http://agencybabylon.com
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MiaisAwesome
Live free or die trying
01:46 PM on 10/19/2010
Well, nothing you put on the internet is "private". People should know this already!
01:46 PM on 10/19/2010
What about younger FB users being added to groups that may not be appropriate content? How do we protect them from that other than being vigilant and monitoring *which parents should do anyway*.
01:27 PM on 10/19/2010
No group piggy-backing should be allowed without prior consent of group members. This would enable each member of a group to bail out before that name and profile is passed along. Also, when using that social profile search (by Google) to see who's looking for you why can't you know up front what personal questions need to be input before you get started with a search.
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ESerafina42
Abandoned by wolves, raised by Republicans.
01:08 PM on 10/19/2010
What I've been trying to find out - and it may have been in another post about this feature - is, is there any way to opt out of the group feature altogether?
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Larry Magid
11:10 PM on 10/19/2010
Good question but, as far as I know, there is no way to opt out of groups.
01:02 PM on 10/19/2010
I don't get what the big deal is. I mean every step you do online can be recreated. There never was privacy, some are just finding a way to exploit it, and really, big deal. The only time you have to worry is when the government is trying to access your data, like they're obv doing now.
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Adrian Zupp
http://adrianzupp.blogspot.com/
12:49 PM on 10/19/2010
I'm not sure the words "Facebook" and "privacy" were ever meant to be in the same sentence.

I just blogged about Facebook:
http://adrianzupp.blogspot.com/2010/10/facebook.html