When Did Democrats Become Anti-Democracy?

Posted March 6, 2008 | 07:40 PM (EST)



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Call me naïve, but until very recently I had been living under the impression that Wyoming, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico held primaries and caucuses so that they could have a voice in deciding their party nominees for president of the United States. Thankfully, it has since been explained to me in print, on television and all over the Internet that in fact they were all really supposed to be a sort of bonus package for the candidate ahead at the very moment the Senator from Illinois pulled into the lead. Who knew? And when did Democrats become the anti-democracy party?

It seems that something happened that nobody was expecting this primary season: democracy broke out. Barack Obama won Iowa, and based upon this caucus win in a single state, became the new front-runner for the Democratic nomination. Not so fast, said New Hampshire voters ("voters" are the people who decide states, for those who seem to have forgotten). Clinton's slim win in an even smaller state suddenly made her the new woman to beat. That lasted exactly 17 days. As we all well know, they have been trading victories and defeats ever since.

Thanks to a series of contests -- each seeming to be a more staggeringly awful system of picking delegates than the last -- we have now reached a point where, even by winning every single primary and caucus to come, neither candidate can capture enough pledged delegates to actually become the nominee. According to many Clinton supporters, superdelegates will make the final call. Those are "the rules," they argue. Superdelegates are, of course, praying for a clear-cut winner to emerge before they have to weigh in. Obama supporters counter that superdelegates shouldn't overturn the will of the voters. However, they can only argue that the will of the voters is on their side if they ignore contests in Florida and Michigan, which were boycotted by the party. I'll grant them Michigan, since Obama's name wasn't on the ballot. But Florida? They were on equal footing there, and Clinton won a fair contest. But, just as the contests to come are too late, Florida was too early to count. On this point, the Clinton camp suddenly becomes against "the rules" and totally in favor of just letting the voters decide.

This wasn't supposed to happen, of course. Hillary Clinton was supposed to walk through showers of rose petals over the crushed carcasses of her opponents to a coronation no later than Super Tuesday. After an appeal at a July meeting, the Michigan and Florida delegates would be quietly seated. Everybody knew this would happen, and this was one reason local Edwards and Obama campaigns set up phone banks to urge Michigan Democrats to vote for "uncommitted" over Hillary Clinton (or one of the other three major candidates still on the ballot). After all, even Democrats aren't so incompetent when it comes to electioneering that they actually planned to give a giant "screw off" to the fourth and eighth most populous states -- so long as it didn't affect the outcome, of course.

But somehow, something many party leaders, bloggers and journalists can only see as anarchy broke out. Ballots cast by voters in every state actually became capable of changing the outcome of the race. "The game" as Obama's spokesman is far too fond of calling it, was set. The problem is that this isn't a game, it's an election. Both Obama and Clinton would be wise to remember that.

Voter suppression cannot win this contest honestly for Obama, and shady backroom deals cannot win it honestly for Clinton. Only real votes can do it, from the real voters that many Democrats on both sides are now trying to silence, often while shouting that they're doing so because the voters have spoken. What this means is that other, more agreeable voters have spoken.

Spoken they have, and in staggering numbers. Not counting Michigan, 13,566,066 Americans have cast votes for Senator Clinton this year. Another 12,989,852 have cast ballots for Obama. I'm sure there are some Obama supporters who will dispute those numbers, since the voters in Florida weren't invited to "the game." I invite these people to, rather than argue with me, look a Florida voter in the eye and tell them that they weren't actually a real American casting a real ballot. Not that who is or isn't ahead at this moment in the popular vote is even a point worth arguing. The race isn't over yet, as both sides are clearly aware.

Yet, we hear voices on the left saying that it's time to bring this democracy "game" to an end. We must, they insist, get down to the next order of business. In another eerie, ironic and unsettling parallel to the worst election debacle of recent times, this is the very same argument brought to the American people and the Supreme Court by Bush in 2000. I don't care which candidate you'd like to see come out on top -- it takes an unconscionable level of rationalization to conclude that putting fast results ahead of the will of the voters is any less wrong now than it was then.

But I don't find it merely morally reprehensible that anyone would demand Clinton -- or Obama, obviously -- drop out at this point. I also find it unwise for a number of pragmatic reasons. Forcing a popular opponent out of the race isn't going to endear either candidate to anybody, and Democrats are benefiting from this not-quite-unified front far more than most care to admit. The benefits of keeping this race going could (unless things get much, much uglier on both sides) far outweigh the negatives.

Everywhere this primary race goes, thousands and thousands of voters register Democratic and flock to the polls. People are engaging in the political process in numbers unseen in decades. Even better: just 7,224,250 ballots have been cast for the Republican nominee, a number unlikely to rise by much as the contests continue. The turnout advantage is real and it's clear. Democrats should be elated at the prospect of taking this through every state in the union, not bitter that their candidate has to actually earn the nomination.

When we look more closely at the votes, the news for Democrats gets even better. Unlike 2004, these voters all seem to be coming out to vote for somebody, not against somebody else. Polls consistently show that the vast majority of people voting in these primaries like both candidates. 90% of Obama supporters would vote for Clinton in a general election, and a solid (though less comforting) 75% of Clinton voters would step behind Obama. Democrats should be overjoyed at the turnout advantage, not convincing themselves that their candidates' reputations can't survive a lengthy primary.

Yet we hear this constant, pointless reminder: John McCain has started his national campaign. So what? In addition registering and turning out these voters, the Democratic candidates are also being forced to set up serious ground operations in every single state in the union -- if they can't make that very useful in a general election, they couldn't win one to begin with.

Though I abhor delving into the marketing (or "bullshit") pros and cons, there are definite benefits to a longer contest in that regard as well. As Democrats move from contest to contest, the press follows every development with great interest. All the while, they can use this free press to promote themselves and slam McCain. The poor Arizona lawmaker, on the other hand,is left to take on both or shoot at a moving target. He's also going to have to try a lot harder for free coverage.

A convention showdown could be particularly beneficial in this regard. Candidates tend to get a boost after the official nomination and in this kind of a hard-fought race, I'd expect to see a bigger one than usual, particularly if the media coverage is especially dramatic. The closer that comes to the election, the more good it does the eventual nominee. This rings especially true when you consider Clinton's high set negatives and the fact that, while Obama's positives are out there for all to see, not too many people have figured out, say, that Rezko house deal. Clinton could use a feel-good boost, and Obama stands to benefit from a short election.

Fundraising is often mentioned as a McCain advantage if the Democratic race drags on. This, however, becomes irrelevant if Barack Obama takes the nomination. Or, rather, it should. Obama simply cannot run as a clean-politics reformer while using semantics to get around a pledge to hold a publicly financed election. If Clinton wins, this becomes a bit more problematic, as she can claim she never made such an offer, allowing McCain's head start to come into play. Still, I think the fund raising numbers speak for themselves: even if McCain saves his pennies from now 'til August, either Democrat can still mop the floor with him when it comes to bringing in the cash.

Now, don't get me wrong. It isn't all smiles and sunshine. John McCain is clearly a popular figure and a formidable candidate who looks very capable of stealing suburban women, Latinos and even a good chunk of working class males if given the opportunity. And if Democrats are good at anything, it's turning certain victory into narrow defeat. It's just very hard for even my cynical eyes to look at an energized electorate, meaningful voting, a forced 50-state strategy and tons of free, compelling press and see nothing but doom and gloom.

If this is the road we're on, I say we take it all the way to Puerto Rico.


 
 

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Sorry this is 2008. We have already heard Mr. Bush tell us his version of democracy. We don't need a big brother to decide for us who is going to be the nomination. If this is a private party than you don't need any of us non super delegates to get elected. We'll find another party. If you are going to be fair, it should be winner take all even if it is by a small margin. If your going to use Michigan and Florida's delegates votes than yes there should be a do over. Americans are tired of businss Bush style.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 03/07/2008

Wow Larry - wonderfully written.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 03/07/2008

I refuse to argue this point any farther, and it really doesn't matter what all of the sour grape types say about it in this forum; there will be re-votes, or do-overs [whatever term you prefer], and all of this bitching and moaning is a waste of time.

Florida & Michigan will have their 2nd primary vote and/or caucus, and it really doesn't matter if some of you folks blow a gasket about it. Get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 03/07/2008

I had forgotten the tactics used by Obama and Edwards in Michigan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 03/07/2008

I invite these people to, rather than argue with me, look a Florida voter in the eye and tell them that they weren't actually a real American casting a real ballot.

Please. I live in Florida, and what you're saying here is not only offensive, it's backwards. It's not about telling the Floridians who voted they don't count! It's about the Floridians who didn't vote because they WERE TOLD they weren't going to count! How is that representative? Sure, CEOs and retired snowbunny New Yorkers didn't have anything better to do than shuffle off to vote for Hillary. The question is: How many college students for Obama didn't bother skipping school to vote, because they KNEW it wouldn't count? How many working class or poor minorities didn't bother to take time off from work or shell out the cash for a babysitter to vote, because they WERE TOLD it wouldn't matter? How many people in the ghetto - who might otherwise have marched to the polls in a statement of solidarity and power for Obama - didn't bother because they KNEW it wouldn't make any difference? How many union supporters weren't given the chance to meet Obama, and hear him speak in person, and get involved in organizing at the grass roots level, and canvass and make phone calls for him (as has happened in EVERY other state where the candidates were allowed to campaign) and who might just have switched their votes from Clinton to Obama after getting to know both candidates better?

The focus should not be on who voted. It should be on who DIDN'T vote - because they were told not to bother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/07/2008

Hillary is fine with the superdelegates now only because she has more of them than Barack does. As soon as more of them flip to him she will cry foul and want to move the goalposts again. It doesn't matter how many ways Barack wins (most votes, most states, most delegates, and eventually most superdelegates) Hillary always wants to change the rules. ("Oh, but I won the BIG states. That's what really matters." Guess what, Hillary. Any Dem can win those big states in the general election. John Kerry won NY, CA, PA, NJ. Barack can win them too. So there is no substance to that argument.)

The numbers don't add up for Hillary. There are not enough delegates left for either to win a majority, and there are not enough left for Hillary to get more than Barack. The "game" is over, but no one has told Hillary yet.

I would love to see how the superdelegates justify looking at the person who crossed the finish line first and saying, "we've voted that the person in second place gets the trophy." That will be the end of the Democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 03/07/2008

I agreed with you until you through out false numbers. When you attempted to claim that Florida's primary was valid even though the voters were themselves TOLD that their votes wouldn't count, and the numbers agree with that, since they were much lower than even a regular primary year, and MUCH lower than anywhere else in this year!

"...since the voters in Florida weren't invited to "the game." I invite these people to, rather than argue with me, look a Florida voter in the eye and tell them that they weren't actually a real American casting a real ballot...."

And as regards this, I HAVE spoken to a real Floridian, my Father-in-law, and my Stepmother-in-law. Both of them have voted in EVERY election since they were 21 (since that was the age when they came of age!) and NEITHER one of them went out to vote, since they KNEW that their votes wouldn't count!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 03/07/2008

FINALLY! I've been reading the comments and I can't believe I'm the only person that actually 100% agrees with you. NO VOTER should be left feeling disenfranchised. Both sides can duke it out but if they both truly believe in democracy should both come out in public in the next week or so and say that they will both go on through all the primaries so ALL OF AMERICA can cast their vote in this election cycle. Nothing is more powerful than that. I'm sick of hearing people being sick of it. Just because your state is done or your candidate is ahead (or behind for that matter) - it's irrelevant. Just let TIME take care of things. Bravo article! Having every voice count - THAT'S REAL CHANGE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 03/07/2008

Let me tell you something.
Those of us that live in the states with late primaries are used to having no influence on who gets the parties' nominations.
Florida & Michigan decided that influence was more important than delegates.
Now, some people want them to have *double* influence *plus* delegates.
WTF?
Nobody has been disenfranchised.
The primaries are just nominating contests, not an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 03/07/2008

This is all politics as usual bull-crap. You want the rules to be one way when it favors you and another when it favors your opponent.

That being said, I am very sad that Michigan and Florida CHOSE to have their primaries on those days. I challenge you to look a Florida voter in the eye and ask them what they thought they were doing on their primary if they knew their vote counted for nothing. Blame their state legislators who made it happen, and it sounds like just desserts that those super-delegates will not be seated at the convention because they disenfranchised their constituents. So i say punish the super-delegates and refuse to let them vote and then have a do-over election in MI and FL.

Let every state vote, let every vote count, and then whoever wins, wins. Otherwise, whoever the nominee is will inherit the taint of Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 03/06/2008

Don't forget, the FL state legislature that moved the primary was controlled by the republicans and the FL state governor who signed the bill moving the primary up is a republican. Therefore, we cannot blame the democrats IN the state for moving it up, but we can blame the DNC for not allowing it to count, since there was nothing else that they could do!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 03/07/2008

No, forget about that, because it's pure revisionist history. The republican controlled legislature did elect to move up the primary date, but the vote was like 151-1. But the FL democratic party was not bound to that date, and could have chosen another one. They elected not to.

There are plenty of news articles from that time featuring FL democratic party officials announcing their new found primary election relevance. I'm not going to link to them again, because it's a waste of time - those who choose to remain ignorant wouldn't bother to read them anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 03/07/2008

Brokered conventions have not historically been advantageous. Simple fact. This post seems to ignore the reality that not all press is good press. Yes, the news outlets will pay a lot of attention to the Obama/Clinton contest as they have been, even when one of them is touting McCain's experience over the other (*cough* Hillary *cough cough*). The concern is they will have cut each other down to size by the time the convention rolls around, and that all their weaknesses will have been exposed free of charge, courtesy of the Democratic Party. I don't see how this is an ideal scenario.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 03/06/2008

Your numbers are waaaay off. RealClear Politics has the raw data on every state, except Michigan, which is easily googled and adds 90,464 votes to Clinton's total.

All that totaled has Obama with a 203,202 vote lead.

Finally, per RealClearPolitics, Iowa, Maine, Nevada and Washington state have note yet released their vote totals. All of those were blowouts except Nevada, which was a dead heat.

Where dop you get your numbers from? Hillary's website?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 03/06/2008

Hey there,

I'm the author of this piece, and you're completely correct. I copied and pasted those numbers from the inside page of RCP the night before last (I recall very vividly fighting with the font codes,) and of course, by the time this post made it to the web, the numbers had been changed/corrected. I believe I included a link to that page, which seems to have been corrected. I hadn't been concerned about this, happening since it's usually the delegate counts that vary, but when I did my nightly poll check (I'm a recovering poll addict) I saw that they had changed in a way that some readers might find significant.

I then attempted to post a comment pointing this out, but apparently, it takes a few hours for a new Huffington Post account to be activated. So you beat me to it, and I thank you for that.

I assure everyone that those numbers should read 13,575,302 (Obama) and 13,281,636 (Clinton), and that I certainly didn't mean to mislead anyone. These numbers will change tomorrow, of course. I also did not choose to include the Michigan votes, because it clearly wasn't a fair contest and I knew that even if I didn't intend them to be read that way, some people would be looking at those numbers to see who was ahead thus far.

However, I would also point out that the corrected numbers actually up the total Democratic ballots cast and narrows the race by 300,000 votes, supporting both points I was attempting to make (that turnout has been very impressive and the race is anything but over).

Thanks again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 03/07/2008

Thank you so much for your post! I have been like minded for weeks...we need to allow this race to proceed to the finish line!

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I just wanted to add some more math to the topic. If we are going to discuss the popular vote, which I believe should be validated, we should take a look at the percentages as well.

Based on where things stand with this razor thin election [2.3% between them], I am of the opinion that we MUST ensure that EVERY ballot caste is counted, every voice heard, finish the contest.

After all...this is a democracy...right?


2008 Democratic Popular Vote from RealClearPolitics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
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As of 3/7/08:

Popular Vote Total - -
Obama -- 13,000,655 = 51.2%
Clinton -- 12,411,705 = 48.8%
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Total: 25,411,825

Difference of: 588,950 or 2.3%


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Popular Vote (w/FL) - -
Obama --13,576,869
Clinton --13,282,691

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - -
Obama --13,576,869
Clinton --13,611,000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/07/2008

A little history, a little reality, a little pragmatism.

The primaries are not so that the voice of the people can be heard. We do that at the election in November. Primaries are ways for the parties to determine which candidate has the best chance of winning that election.

The Democratic Party is not a government entity. Neither is the green party or the republican party or any other party. They are like, I don't know, like clubs. Each club is trying to find a candidate that will win in November. So they use caucuses (the very worst form of democratic voting), direct primaries, combinations like in Texas, and politically aware super delegates.

Suppose the candidate with the most delegates and the most popular primary votes won only in guaranteed red states and lost in all the blue ones. With the winner take all (talk about not democratic) system for the electoral college, that would would mean an almost certain loss in November. Or suppose the leader, three days before the convention has a stroke or gets indicted for child molestation. The purpose of the primaries and all the caucus foolishness is to try to get the candidate with the best chance of winning. It is not the election. There are no federal laws that say one man one vote or any of the things that apply to November.

Instead of thinking of us as a club, try thinking of the Democratic party as a group of concerned citizens trying to help the country put the best men and women in office. Sometimes relying on a state with .5% of the population that holds its votes in coffee shops may not be the best venue for selecting someone who will win in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 03/06/2008

You can't change a skirmish to a real game just because you won it, especially since most of the other team's players didn't show up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 03/06/2008

The Democratic nominating process was never democratic until the 70s. Before then there was no such thing as a pledged delegate. Humphrey won the nomination in 1968 without winning a single primary. Now we have roughly 75% democratic system. That means that unless the popular vote is sufficiently skewed in favor of one candidate, the anti-democratic portion decides the winner.

This year, the Democratic electorate has proven itself incapable of selecting a candidate. We're playing this race out to a virtual tie. You can wave your arms and stamp your feet about democracy all you like, but no amount of voting is going to produce a nominee. It's not that we like them both so much that we can't decide, but neither is it that we're so divided that we won't unite behind our nominee. About half of us think that Obama is the better candidate, and another half believe that Clinton is superior. We're deadlocked, and we need some benevolent dictatorial force to break the tie so that we can move on.

We will unite behind our nominee. Those numbers you gave (10% for Obama supporters and 25% for Clinton's) are juiced by the heat of the moment. I bet that no more that 5% of the losing camp (whichever one it is) will ultimately vote for McCain over the Democratic nominee. But for now, we are a party divided over subjective contrasts, and none of us are willing to let go of our preference -- nor should we. Someone else is going to have to decide for us and end this self-destructive firefight. It's not democracy, it's pragmatism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 03/06/2008

grat article...let me talk about anti-democracy:

1. the allocation of delegates by electoral districts rather than straight proportional allocation (Nevada -- Clinton wins popular votes but gets fewer delegates)

2. Texas allocation of delegates based on turnout in previous elections

3. Texas caucus/primary system - requiring people to vote twice and thus burdening the poor and elderly.

4. superdelegates

5. Howard Dean's austere decision to strip Mich and Fl of delegates for simply wanting a larger role, given their size and importance

6. Letting NH and Iowa, with tiny and homogenous populations have such a strong role in nominations process

7. caucuses - which disparately impact poor and elderly

i covered all that come to mind.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/06/2008

Once again, the myth of the limousine laden caucus is raised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 03/06/2008

I agree.

How far will the DLC go to make sure their candidate is duly 'elected'.....how many donated dollars will be used to make sure the "Business as Usual" crowd is returned to the White House?

This is a battle between the DLC and the DNC for the soul of the Democratic Party.

POPULISM versus THE POLITICAL MACHINE....

Gentlepeople - START YOUR ENGINES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 03/06/2008

Cool, so if there are no consequences then Indiana can move their primary up to Jan. 30th instead of May.

Excellent. But what if Texas then moves theirs up to Jan. 15? And on and on.

There is a schedule and an order---I am amazed that no one seems to get this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/06/2008

Why in the world did Michigan and Florida decide to flout the DNC's rules? If they wanted their votes to count, why did they not just wait until Super Tuesday? The DNC said, "Don't have your primary before this date or your delegates won't be seated." The states did it anyway. I think it is ridiculous that they are acting outraged and aggrieved now. Come on, if I decide I want to vote in the general election on October 30 instead of November 4, should I be entitled to have a fit of outrage when my vote is ignored? Hey, let's try it.. Let's decide to have the general election early for a few states and then see what will happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 03/06/2008

Well it's not because they were forced to by evil republicans as many are suggesting. The FL dem party was not bound by the Jan date (that they voted in favor of like 151-1). They could have chosen another date, but they elected not to. There are plenty of news articles about this featuring FL dem party officials proudly announcing their new found primary election relevance. They first announced the change around 9-23-2007.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 03/07/2008

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Didn't you read the post? Your blind faith in Obama prevents you from understanding it, perhaps. Both candidates are professional politicians who know the "game," as Obama's camp calls it. There are no clean hands in this game. Both will do whatever it takes to win. Pretending that Obama is the only honest man left in the world is so naive. Grow up. Womack wrote a balanced, thoughtful assessment of the current situation. Take off your blinders, and give it some more consideration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/06/2008

"Your blind faith in Obama prevents you from understanding it"

Actually, it's Obama's "cult of personality" that has turned us into mindless zombie people. That, and the fact that we're all evil misogynist pigs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/07/2008

The "Superdelegate" issue is now becoming particularly interesting. Maybe even a test of how democratic The Democratic Party wants to be. At the point when Obama had the lead in both delegates and total votes he had a very strong argument for receiving the support of the Party structure. Now, however, Clinton is ahead in the vote total, and Obama only leads in delegates.

The Obama argument that I have heard after Tuesday is that the one with the most total delegates gets the nomination, so the one with the most pledged delegates is entitled to receive Supredelegate support. The logic of that seems less than persusaive to me.

I think that the individual is deserving of the greatest amount of respect in a free and democratic society. To feel otherwise, it seems to me, is to be on the side of The Republic Party. Yes, the final totals are not in yet. However, isn"t it time for a general rule to announced, one that says that every vote is equal to every other?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/06/2008

The rules you begin with should be the rules you end with. No harm, no foul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 03/06/2008

And what is the answer to qestions that were never addressed by the Rules?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/07/2008

I guess you would just make it up as you go along. As long as it favors hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 03/07/2008

Listen, talk about disenfranchising. You look into all the Democrats that stayed home because they were told their vote would not count and tell them, "tough luck". Really get a grip on yourself.
Hillary was the only one with name recognition and it played well. Let's have a real contest and then we can both look into their eyes and tell them that they matter. For real this time.
While your looking them in the eyes, by the way, tell them that Hillary is still considered a Dem even though she is pushing the Republican. K??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 03/06/2008
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