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Parenting Trap # 84: The Date Who Doesn't Ring The Bell

Posted: 01/05/12 09:17 AM ET

The scary issues of raising kids in the digital age are well documented, but I want to red flag the subtle changes in parenting that occur because of the ubiquitous cell phone, without our even noticing. One of those very moments occurred in my house this week.

It's after dinner -- a long, leisurely one -- and still sitting around the table is my ex-husband and another couple we have been friends with for years, along with their three pretty great kids. Suddenly our seventeen year old disappears and then reappears back in the kitchen, coat on, bag packed (ready for the next in a long line of constant sleepovers, but that's a topic for another blog) and cell phone "superglued" to her right hand.

"I'm leaving. Steven's outside. Bye!" Before my mouth closes she's out the door, unaware of the hour-long discussion that's about to ensue. I have been down this road with my daughter before. "It is important to me that your date or whoever is picking you up, come inside the house to say hello." Her response: abject horror, as if this is the single most insane thing I have ever said (until the next time I say something.) How can I be so insensitive, embarrassing...? (You fill in the blanks).

Right under our noses, cell phones are undermining centuries of date etiquette. The result is not pretty. Along with landlines, the doorbell is becoming extinct, and with it, the one opportunity you have to look the kid (friend, date) in the eye, assess his/her demeanor (ie: sobriety) and make sure he knows I'm watching.

Larry jumps in: "What difference does it make? I know the kid. It's fine." I disagree, and here is why: How are teenagers going to learn basic manners if they are never given the opportunity to practice? We're underestimating the power of contact, conversation and accountability. It's that important.

The other couple concurs with me, saying that just last week their daughter was picked up by a suitor who sent her a text when he arrived, prompting her to run out the door. It bothered them at the time, but they hadn't thought much about it. The father said, "Never again!"

It's a subtle thing, but it matters. It is tempting to be the "cool" parent, and to go with the flow of today's way of doing things. But as outdated as some traditional rituals may be, there are others that we should hang on to. Like insisting our daughters' suitors look us in the eye before taking them out, engaging in a little friendly small talk, and making sure they know that this girl has parents who are involved. We may be annoying, but love sometimes is. When our girls become women, hopefully they'll do the same thing for their own daughters -- and thank us for caring enough to show them how it's done.

 
 
 

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The scary issues of raising kids in the digital age are well documented, but I want to red flag the subtle changes in parenting that occur because of the ubiquitous cell phone, without our even notic...
The scary issues of raising kids in the digital age are well documented, but I want to red flag the subtle changes in parenting that occur because of the ubiquitous cell phone, without our even notic...
 
 
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01:52 PM on 01/09/2012
I love you, Laurie David! I read through The Family Dinner and gave copies to all my closest girlfriends. You are SO RIGHT here! I'm 38 and have 2 young children now. I still remember my Mom hassling me about meeting people who picked me up when I was in high school. I was furious and embarrassed at the time. Now I totally understand and will make my kids, and their friends, do the same. I think it's a disservice to kids if we allow them to text their way through adolescence. When they go for that first job interview, or make that first sales call - they will NEED to know manners and how to engage with people. This is all practice for the tough work of being an adult and having to put food on the table. Thank you, please keep your wisdom coming!
11:38 AM on 01/09/2012
This story certainly resonates with me. Mindy Gallagher also wrote about what her family lost when the home phone became extinct. http://yourteenmag.com/2012/01/parent-story-cell-phone-vs-home-phone/
07:13 AM on 01/09/2012
P.S. We did end-up being the Cool parents and we still are !...lol.
07:04 AM on 01/09/2012
We always met any of our children's friends. When they were younger we met the parents, when there were sleepovers we talked to the parents, when the sleepovers were at our house we contacted the parents. The kids are now 18, 20 (daughter), 23, & 25 (out of the house). Many of thier friends liked us more than our kids did when they were younger...LOL at least at times it seemed that way. As much as it pissed them off back then, they have grown-up safe & well adjusted, We also did our best not to deny them thier choice in people the hung around with, oh yes, we let them know loud & clear if we disapproved, but we let them learn on their own whay our gut told us from the start. It's a fine line, and a hard thing to do and I'm glad it's over!
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independentvoter007
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10:27 PM on 01/08/2012
This article is sexist. Why must it be the woman who is taken out by the man?
07:11 AM on 01/09/2012
Nobody said it 'must' be, that is just how it works most of the time...relax. If a girl ever showed up to take one of my sons out, it wouldn't have bothered me in the least.
09:23 PM on 01/08/2012
I used to pretend that my Dad wanted to meet my dates. Then I would walk them to my door and introduce them to my father, loudly telling him where we were going and when we'd be back. Of course I wouldn't do this with my boyfriends (who I was seeing multiple times I mean), just the first couple of times. I wanted the guys to know that there was someone who knew where I was and who I was with. You can never be too safe! I plan on enforcing this with my own daughter when she is older as well.
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Chaton de Malheur
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07:42 PM on 01/08/2012
To all the people dismissing the importance of meeting your daughter's dates, you should consider that your inaction sends as strong a message as any rule or curfew. Kids talk to their friends about their parents and rules. Word gets around. The type of guy who deliberately seeks girls younger than himself that he can use and manipulate is going to gravitate toward those girls who appear to be the least protected. It's more obvious than you can possibly imagine.
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JBS
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07:31 PM on 01/08/2012
Simple solution in 4 words - "Oh no you're not!"
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Chaton de Malheur
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07:04 PM on 01/08/2012
You are wise to be concerned about this. Meeting you face-to-face makes you "real" in the boy's mind, and reinforces the reality that any misbehavior on his part will have repercussions. His avoiding meeting you shows a lack of courage and respect, as well as a more sinister lack of guidance from his own parents. If he wasn't taught to knock on the door and introduce himself, you can bet no one taught him to be respectful of your daughter, including that extremely important lesson "No means no".
06:51 PM on 01/08/2012
A word to parents: There is no such thing as a "sleepover" after junior high. Any adolescent age 13 or older who tells you he/she is having a "sleepover," is spending the night out either for drinking, drugging, screwing or all three.
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12:07 AM on 02/26/2012
*yawn*, You really are full of yourself with your statements about know what every child is doing in the world aren't you?
05:01 PM on 03/03/2012
Are you following me around?
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04:07 PM on 01/08/2012
Technology such a door bells or cell phones will come and go. Establishing a sense in your kids that you care about them to the extent that they will ultimately trust you for critical advice is what is important. My parents failed to do that. I did not make the same mistake with my children.
03:39 PM on 01/08/2012
My kids' friends come into the house when picking them up, so absolutely a date would be expected to as well. The thing about raising teenagers is you can't wait until they're teenagers to figure out how you are going to parent and what kind of expectations you will have. This should be something you are staying a few steps ahead of along the way. My kids absolutely know what our expectations are & consequently they have developed their own. We still have discussions about expectations with our 30, 18, & 16 year olds. We haven't stopped helping them hone their manners & they help us on occasion too. Tip: When buying the first cell phone for your kids, do not allow it in their bedroom at bedtime...charge in your bedroom. That alone will solve many problems. You are the parent, you get to decide the rules. Be reasonable and hold the bar high...life is all about balance.
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Tizzie Cregan
05:04 PM on 01/08/2012
Got my daughter a phone at just before 10 (when she started walking to and from school alone) but refused to give her the phone number, only put in ones I would allow (family) and texting only with me when she is away from me (mostly because her texts crack me up so much HAHA) She has since been given permission, on a case by case basis that is, to get friend's phone numbers, but has to ask first. I told her this is the LAW till she graduates grammar school, then based on how it goes, it can be renegotiated in high school, BUT even if she gets a job and pays, I retain the right to maintain full and total control of her phone :) I am a MEAN mommy. On the flip side, I have fully explained my reasons to her and she has not once (yet) objected in any way and actually told her friend "I don't mind, my mom does it cuz she loves me" OMG best day EVER!!!!
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03:30 PM on 01/08/2012
When I first got asked to be in a serious relationship,after I started university, the very next day I called my mother (my best friend) to ask for her opinion. She happened to be on a business trip in some godforsaken place on earth and I could not contact her. So I called my father instead.He on being notified did not seek too many details, except ''is he also a student/senior/ ...good student ?"...etc

But when I came home for the holidays, this guy and my room mate came to our place for lunch. I could see he was quite nervous and did not venture to say much beyond what was asked, except when my mother asked if my room mate and I spent enough time studying, he gave a spontaneous and emphatic, ''Not at all! They waste so much time doing nothing, absolutely nothing!" and my parents roared with laughter!

Later on my mother said that his no-nonsense attitude is what impressed her most.To her it said that his priorities were right and that I will be in good company.

The point is that even if you have a conversation with your kid's date, a lot of guys/gals on meeting their gf/bf's parents mouth platitudes in order to impress the elders and almost as soon as that conversation is over, they are mistreating or misbehaving with each other. Date rape, drugs, questionable company etc are just manifestations of that.
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03:44 PM on 01/08/2012
Fast forward 10 years : that guy and I are now about to get married in less than 20 days. The past decade has been very eventful with some some downs and many ups but my parents ( his considerably less) were very much a part of it. Now looking back, that first call was worth it. I sincerely wish that my (future) kids will willingly let me be part of their life as well.
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CabCurious
green green green
03:07 PM on 01/08/2012
Manners? You're trying to reduce this to MANNERS?

HINT:

Your daughter needs to feel that you trust her, rather than you DEMANDING she bring in every friend for your inspection and lectures.

I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE that it was your daughter's idea to be picked up outside, thus it has absolutely nothing to do with the manners of this boy. None. It's about you trusting and communicating with your daughter... without being PRECISELY the kind of adult I bet you hated when you were her age.
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Tizzie Cregan
05:08 PM on 01/08/2012
Hey I admit to hating my mom from time to time when i was a kid, but I have since grown up and every day I thank her for all the things I hated back before I grew a grown up brain ;) I am not so much worried what my daughter thinks of me as a teen, it's what she thinks of the job I did when she is an adult and the fruits of my labor truly show. If she is thankful THEN, or just plain turns out OK, then I am more than fine with the "I hate you's" I am sure to face along the way :)
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CabCurious
green green green
12:50 AM on 01/09/2012
:)

And, to be blunt, I think your attitude might likely signal a relationship with your daughter where she'll WANT to talk about potential boyfriends, rather than you feeling the need to DEMAND she bring him home for inspection.
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05:53 PM on 01/08/2012
What planet do you live on? And have you ever had kids? It is immaterial whether they're "embarrassed" or not....they get "embarrassed" just by a parent drawing breath. We, as parents, have a responsibility to vette friends and, especially, dates. Not doing so results in teen pregnancy, STDs, drug use, date rape, drunken car accidents and so on all too often. My daughter is now 26, but I knew all of her friends and all of her dates. She rolled her eyes at me lots of times (still does), but she is alive. Oh, and....in college, when she didn't bring the boys in to meet me, she dated a guy who seemed OK, but who beat her up. She commented that she wished I had vetted him first, as I seemed to be a better judge of character. We have a RESPONSIBILITY to protect our children, whether they like it or not!
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CabCurious
green green green
12:48 AM on 01/09/2012
We're talking about teens, not little children.

I am not arguing against knowing all their friends. I am saying that many times this will backfire if you TRY to micromanage and DEMAND a chance to judge the daughter and every one of her friends. That's really bad parenting.

You're trying to build values and long-term healthy approaches.

Yes, daughters move away in time... and it would be much, much more useful to have a relationship with one's daughter that involves her coming TO YOU rather than you DEMANDING a chance to judge... the new, potential boyfriends.
02:50 PM on 01/08/2012
Growing up, I never told my father anything. He never met any of my high school sweethearts, he never knew about anything I did, where I went. After an hour and a half long commute from NYC, the only thing he wanted to do after he got home from work as to relax. My mother did, but my dad has no interest. Does that mean I went crazy behind his back? Does that mean he brought me up with a lack of manners? Of course not.

I have incredible manners and a great moral code. My mother met all of my boyfriends. She did not, however, require them to come into the house every single time I would go out.