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Laurie David

Laurie David

Posted: November 20, 2008 08:32 AM

Detroit Bailout -- Let ExxonMobil Foot the Bill


Listening to the auto execs this week, hat in hand testifying in front of Congress, you'd think it would have offered a humble moment for them to come clean and own up to their mistakes. But no, they continue to deny any responsibility for the mess they are in. Instead (oh how convenient) they blamed their problems on the current collapse of the economy! That denial alone should exempt them from any "bridge loan."

The best idea I've heard in the last few days comes from an unlikely source, the actor Ashton Kutcher on the Bill Maher show, who repeated the suggestion that the auto industry go meet with the oil industry - their partner in crime - and ask them for a bailout. At least we know ExxonMobil can afford it.

And while we're on the subject, the one piece of good news today is that John Dingell may finally be on his way out as head of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He had what, like 30 years to get this right? And all he did, over and over again, was enable Detroit to do nothing. It's time to let Henry Waxman assume this important role, particularly since global warming and energy will be the central focus of the committee's upcoming agenda. We can't afford to let Dingell's brand of obstruction stand in the way of real progress any longer.

Listening to the auto execs this week, hat in hand testifying in front of Congress, you'd think it would have offered a humble moment for them to come clean and own up to their mistakes. But no, they...
Listening to the auto execs this week, hat in hand testifying in front of Congress, you'd think it would have offered a humble moment for them to come clean and own up to their mistakes. But no, they...
 
 
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10:32 PM on 11/23/2008
Only a government like the gangsters in Russia or the Communists in China have the sort of authority to force this outcome. And Exxon wouldn't do it freely, they don't care if their gas goes into US or foreign cars. This argument is childish and ridiculous
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
02:08 PM on 11/25/2008
Nonsense. Just pass a proper petroleum tax, and earmark $25 billion of the revenues for Detroit.
07:18 PM on 11/23/2008
Go easy on the auto executives. It's not like anyone put a gun to the huge amount of Americans who apparently wanted large SUV's, pickup trucks and Hummers. The automakers were making a good buck giving the public what they wanted until gas prices went up and sent sales and profits south.

All this stuff that the american public wants small fuel efficient cars is a myth. Hondas and Toyota's while a bit more efficient not hugely so, do the math. In terms of small cars has anyone seen the size of the a Honda or Toyota lately or noticed that there sales are in the tank.

The Congress yelling about the auto executives flying in private jet's? How many Generals not in Iraq are flying around in their own copters or being driven in large SUV's? How many members of congress have Government cars and drivers. The difference is the auto executives just asked for a loan, our congressman just spend our money and then raise our tax's.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
02:12 PM on 11/25/2008
"Go easy on the auto executives. It's not like anyone put a gun to the huge amount of Americans who apparently wanted large SUV's, pickup trucks and Hummers."

Chicken and egg. Americans do respond to advertising. These monstrosities are the vehicles that Detroit promoted, because they were showing higher profit margins. Smaller vehicles were given short shrift. Consumers played a part, but how many of them were told what they wanted in a vehicle by an industry that just happened to be making that very product?
02:33 PM on 11/23/2008
There have been a number of regular people who have posted on blogs that said to have the oil companies bail out the Big 3. Problem is, us regular people don't have a platform from which to speak where we can be heard, the likes of Ashton and celebrities do.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
10:29 PM on 11/23/2008
Hey, as long as a good idea gets spread around, I'm all for celebrities talking about it. Mr. Kutcher should give credit where it is due, of course.
10:30 PM on 11/23/2008
No the problem is that the US government has no way of forcing a company to bail out another company or industry. That would involve some serious rewriting of the constitution and quite a few laws that would basically give the government the same authority that the government of China or Cuba has.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
12:33 AM on 11/24/2008
No, we don't have to become Communists... here's how it works:

We pass a per-barrel petroleum tax which, at the gasoline pump, amounts to $0.25/gallon. Some quick calculations suggest that would work out to $5.50 per barrel.

Americans use 93 million gallons of gasoline every day -- so just the gasoline portion of the petroleum tax would generate 512 million dollars, daily.

It would take, at most, 49 days to generate the $25 billion that the Big Three auto companies are begging for. Lend it to them. That means we're expecting repayment, with interest.

Oh -- and then, DON'T repeal the tax.

Use a bit of the rest to pay down America's debts, PARTICULARLY Iraq War debt. Also, use some to offset part of the tax cut that Obama has promised to low- and middle-income wage earners.

Most importantly: use the bulk of the revenue to fund America's infrastructure renewal, the centerpieces of which will be renewable energy and plug-in hybrid cars.

With a petroleum tax generating $186 billion/year, we can afford to think big.
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rodnacious
11:06 AM on 11/23/2008
I have, since the first utterance of the word - bailout - being trying to get anyone's attention to what I believe is the answer to the auto industry, and all of our economical problems. Evryone wants to throw money at the issues and hope that they go away. That is not the answer, and we see that stimulus packages are not the answer either.

Here is what I believe to be the answer:

1. We should renegotiate all of the loans that are sub-prime and get rid of the ARM forever. All of the loans that are delinquent, or borderline should be extended so that the borrower can meet the payments. In other words, if it takes more than thirty years to repay a loan at three hundred dollars a month, as oppose a fixed thirty year loan with payments of nine hundred, then restructure the loan so that the person can make the payments.

2. Identify all loans and the circumstances that are presently making the borrower delinquent in payments - resolve it by one of two ways. Re-finance the loan terms in such a way that the borrower can make payments, or place that loan at high risk for further evaluation and resolvement.

More... http://cozumelian.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-to-rescue-economy.html
05:23 PM on 11/23/2008
@Mr. Davis, you make some good points regarding restructuring mortgages to make them affordable until paid-off. That would help the economy. One problem though...it would be too much like right :)
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Jesster
07:35 AM on 11/23/2008
Make these arrogant, bone-headed CEOs put their money where their mouths are: in order to secure a socalled "loan" they have to agree in writing and with genuine oversight, to forgo ANY compensation (salary, bonuses, even the slightest hint of a "perK" ) for at least one or two years to prove their good faith. Then we will know how much they really care about their companies and shareholders, much less their employees well-being.
02:00 PM on 11/23/2008
Let the eat bag lunches!
02:02 PM on 11/23/2008
Them... Let THEM eat bag lunches.

And please, HuffPo, consider this comment carefully before releasing it to the general public. Who knows what danger lurks in the hearts of artichokes?
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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
03:23 AM on 11/23/2008
Obama doesn't miss a beat. He's getting his guys in key committee positions.
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munki
Global to Local now Local to Global
02:54 AM on 11/23/2008
Haha.... i blogged it a when they were having the meeting in Capitol Hill arriving on a Private Lux plaine.
Amazed.
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01:51 AM on 11/23/2008
Laurie, I'm surprised the Oil Companies have not put their hands up yet to pay these Auto industry debts!

Surely it's in their interest to do so? Both industry products go hand in hand.
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FilthyHarry
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11:38 PM on 11/22/2008
IF giving the auto industry this loan is a good idea, why don't the banks that, the ones we've secured 700 billions in loans for, for expressly the purpose of easing the credit crunch, loan the auto makers the money. If the banks are unwilling to loan them the money because they don't think they'll get paid back, I don't see why the taxpayer should assume the risk.
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wendynyc
Climate Change is Real!
08:58 AM on 11/22/2008
We definitely need a consumption tax on gasoline.

We also need to fire these three CEO's if we have to give them a government bailout.

We need better designed fuel efficient cars.

It is ridiculous to blame the failure of these three automakers on the legacy costs of workers. Where are these workers supposed to go? If a CEO can zip out $15 million per annum in CEO pay why can't the autoworker make a living wage as well.
01:10 PM on 11/21/2008
The Republican spin strategy on the collapse of the U.S. automobile industry is the same as their stance on much else that's wrong with America: blame the poor. Just as Fox News commentators put the housing mess squarely on the shoulders of subprime borrowers instead of the mortage brokers, bankers, bundlers, and securities dealers who made all the money off the charade, they are now repeating the line that it's the unions' fault (the workers who actually put the cars together) for the failing auto industry rather than the people actually running the auto compaies. By imposing higher labor, healthcare, and retirement costs, the talking point goes, the unions have hamstrung auto makers. But U.S. auto companies have performed poorly compared to car makers in many developed European and Asian countries that have high labor and retirement costs. The difference really is the healthcare piece of the puzzle. American car companies probably wouldn't need a bailout if we passed comprehensive healthcare reform - something Fox News pundits neglect to mention, and that can hardly be blamed on unions. Republicans seem hard-wired to protect the interests of the rich and powerful by putting the blame for society's ills on those least able to fight back.
12:54 AM on 11/23/2008
The UAW has made concessions for the last several years so that the big 3 could stay in business. Unions are not insensitive to what's going on and they know that if the big 3 go out of business they're screwed. The auto have no one to blame but themselves and the oil companies to which they had some loyalty and killed innovation that would've helped ordinary Americans and helped us become energy efficient if they hadn't of been so loyal to the oil companies. It's always what wealthy wannabe's do and that is to blame the poor rather than those that should have known better.
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mjt218
04:50 PM on 11/23/2008
Setting Wall Street aside completely, subprime loan does not equate to loan to low income minority individual anyway. The state's that have been hit the worst by the foreclosure issues are California, Florida and Nevada. It wasn't low income borrowers not meeting their obligations on these homes it was middle class individuals buying homes above their means and real estate speculators and developers flipping houses and getting caught holding all the cards.
11:27 AM on 11/21/2008
Good riddance to Dingell and let's hope the fat-headed and -pocketed auto CEOs go,too. They resisted adopting every well-proven safety measure proposed by Nader and experts in the field, and Dingell fought their battles for them, not for the people. They immorally and unethically pushed, with Dingell's help (and their overpaid lobbyists) for SUVs to be classified as passenger cars, not as trucks - which is what they really are , thus exempting them from pollution controls and other safety features which might have prevented the dreadful hazards they pose to normal-sized cars on the road, not the mention their obscene fuel consumption. And, of course, there are the Hummers, the assault vehicles non pareil. Long before the oil crisis these macho men of auto machines were being urged to re-tool for hybrids, hydrogen cell, electric, etc. -- but they myopically continued to pour multi-millions into advertising campaigns for their killer machines. Humankind and this fine Earth have seen enough of them and their kind -- time to depart the scene and let a finer future happen.
12:44 PM on 11/21/2008
I agree with everything you said, but it's the other way around as far as SUV classification. The auto companies obtained rules classifying SUVs as trucks rather than passenger cars, and did so primarily to exempt them from CAFE fuel efficiency standards. SUVs are used primarily as passenger vehicles, not as trucks.
10:57 AM on 11/21/2008
Excellent suggestion. Big Fat Oil and Big Fat Auto have been colluding for decades to make sure Americans are stuck with oil-burners which need frequent replacement. The customers are moving on to different, better products. If the taxpayers are to get involved, it should be to subsidize start-ups which will produce clean alternatives to the oil-burners and employ the union workforce. Let the Big Fats figure out how to stay big and fat using the resources they already possess.
05:45 AM on 11/21/2008
There are those that are calling for accountability from the CEO's of failed companies and the
floundering of the Big 3 Automakers. How about calling for the accountability of George W. Bush and
the Republican Congress that got us into this mess. HOW ABOUT HOLDING THEIR PAY AND
PENSIONS TILL THIS COUNTRY MAKES A TURN AROUND. I'M ALL FOR IT.
03:15 AM on 11/21/2008
Sounds as though Ashton has a excellent idea. To all those that will loose their jobs or homes
because of the do nothing Congress need to remember this when election time comes up. The
Republicans and George are stalling, thinking they don't have to do anything until President Elect
Obama takes the oath of office and dump this matter in his lap. Never mind that the Big 3 might
close up shop, and you loose your home or job. It's no skin off their backs. Their pensions are
secure, and they don't give a damn about the working class of this country.
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minerva117
The dog ate my micro bio.
09:47 AM on 11/21/2008
Pensions?!?! Most of these people are obscenely rich, they don' need no steenkin' pensions. They could go home tomorrow, never do another day of work, and live lavishly for the rest of their sorry-ass lives. Pensions are for the rabble.
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11:09 AM on 11/21/2008
400,000 a yr pension that Bush voted for himself isn't anything to sneeze at either. Will probably pay his utilities, don't ya think?