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Report from the Conference on the Constitutional Convention

Posted: 09/30/11 12:25 PM ET

The Tea Party Patriots came to Harvard and it was, well.... a little bit boring.

We've been taught to believe not only that Americans can't achieve consensus around key issues, but that we can't even tolerate each other enough to carry on a meaningful debate. Yet last weekend nearly 400 of us gathered at Harvard and did just that.

The Conference on the Constitutional Convention was sponsored by Harvard Law School, Rootstrikers (which works to reduce the role of special interest money in elections) and the Tea Party Patriots.

We came together around a simple point of agreement: From the Right and the Left, citizens increasingly believe that our Republic does not work. Reform of any kind is stalled by a status quo that profits from blocking change. No side in the political debate benefits from this inertia.

The question before us was whether the appropriate response is to push for an Article V Constitutional Convention: According to Article V of the Constitution, if two-thirds of the state legislatures pass resolutions calling for a convention, then Congress must convene one. All sides would then have the opportunity to argue for the changes they believe will restore our Republic. Any amendment that gets proposed by the Convention must then be ratified by three fourths of the states to become law. Three-fourths means 38 states. So 13 states have the power to veto any change, guaranteeing that no extremism from either side could ever have an effect.

Attendees included unionists and anti-war activists, states' rights-ers and balanced budget advocates, electoral reformers and people who want to amend the amendment process. There was neither shoving nor shouting, no bullying or bloviating: We got along, we had a productive conversation, and we built a foundation of understanding that we can add to later.

Granted, our discussion wasn't contorted by the incentives that warp conversations in Washington, or on cable TV. Attendees weren't sifted through that same array of filters that makes it next to impossible for an ordinary American to win a seat in Congress. Nor was the conversation steered by cable TV producers constantly aware that only sizzle earns ad revenue. We were free to listen and speak, without worrying about whether being boring would cost us money. And what we found was that being boring bought us understanding. As Mark Meckler, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots put it, there is a business model that profits from "teaching us to hate each other." Everyone there was working against that model.

And that, ultimately, was the point of the conference: Most Americans can surely agree that Congress, as much as possible, should be unconstrained by incentives that compel it to behave differently than would a representative sample of Americans, coming together to try to do what's best for our country.

But instead we have a Congress that's so thoroughly captured by narrow interests, subject to so many perverse incentives, that it's overwhelmingly disdained by the people whom it's supposed to represent -- with recent polls showing only 12% confidence ratings. Whether you want smaller government or more effective government, this system is not working. And it is foolish to expect Congress on its own to institute the necessary changes -- as it is, by identity, composed entirely of people who've found success playing under the current rules.

Madison reports that at the first Constitutional Convention in 1787, Virginia's George Mason argued that if the proposing of amendments were to depend "on Congress, no amendments of the proper kind would ever be obtained by the people, if the Government should become oppressive, as he verily believed would be the case."

Not everybody at our conference agreed that a Convention was the right remedy, at least not yet. But most -- even those from some pretty austere and established institutions, including the Goldwater Institute -- were open to exploring the idea further.

If you're interested in learning more, check out CallAConvention.org.

But if you're just interested in bloviating, tune to your favorite cable TV news show. Or C-Span's coverage of the floors of Congress.

 
 
 

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lbrillante
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01:02 AM on 10/03/2011
Well there are two proposed amendments being circulated that I am aware of. One is to clarify once and for all that corporations are NOT people (see movetoamend.org). And the other is to get money out of politics (see Get Money Out). I support both of these amendments.

Right now our government has been overtaken by corporations, the wealthy and they are operating from strange ideologies and unchecked greed. We have to reclaim our country for the current corporate rules. I am not saying all corporations are bad. I am saying they should not run our government.

After all the rule is NOT One Dollar One Vote. it is One Person, One Vote.
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laurieanichols
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06:49 PM on 10/02/2011
Would this open the door for more badly thought out amendments such as the 18th amendment? The 18th ended up doing more harm than good. I definitely believe that the insane amount of money put into the political process has to stop, it has only led to corruption and the purchase of power. Overhauling campaign funding laws would go a long way to changing the dynamic in Washington.
11:49 PM on 10/10/2011
The worse that could happen might be badly thought out amendment proposals within the convention itself. What ultimately would be sent to the states are likely to be well-filtered before they left the convention. Remember, 38 states need to ratify any proposals offered by the convention. As far as overhauling the campaign finance process, that can only come about through a convnetion proposed amendment. There's simply no way Congress will ever propose such an amendment. After all, how many of us would cut-off our own money supply.
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Vintage59
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06:13 PM on 10/02/2011
If you think you've ever heard bloviating just wait until a Constitutional Convention is underway.

The real concern, of course, is that the last time our country had one it was called to amend the Articles of Confederation. They started by throwing it out. That's the precedent.

Raise your hand if you want your political opponents to have the upper hand in writing a new Constitution from scratch.
11:56 PM on 10/10/2011
The convention of 1787 and an Article V convnetion are in no way related. The 1787 convention was the closing chapter of the American Revolution, comprised of the very people who initiated and won it. Their convention was extralegal, that is, it had no power nor legal authority. They met the request of their mandate, deciding that the Articles couldn't be revised, so wrote and sent the Constitution to the Congress, which approved it and then sent it on to the states for ratification, which they did. An Article V convention on the other hand is legal and has authority to exercise one power...to propose amendments to "THIS Constitution," not to write a new one. They can't write a new one and callon the Army to enforce it. They'll just have to go home...
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05:43 PM on 10/02/2011
we do need this convention. we need a balanced budget amendment so no more spending can vbe done without revenues to cover it. we also need to look at congressional term limits to weed out the "career politicians" who are simply in it to make a fortune off the special interest people and those wanting favors. in the military i always felt that enlisting one time for one tour was a patriotic thing and was a service to america. while in i say all the "lifers" who remained in the military for the easy apycheck and early retirement. not patriotism. same goes for politics. do your 1 term to serve the people then get out.
11:59 PM on 10/10/2011
Right on the money Bob...and thanks for your service. Prior to the late 19th Century, there was no need for term limits because voluntary rotaion was the custom, the precedent set by George Washington.
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04:22 PM on 10/02/2011
An Article Five constitutional convention would be one state, one vote. The amendments such a convention proposed would be ratified by the states on the basis on--you guessed it--one state, one vote.

Go ahead, Tovarischii, call a constitutional convention. Make our day.

That's Alaska, one vote, California one vote, and so on. How about it, Comrades? Do you feel LUCKY?

What? You want a convention outside of the procedures set forth in the existing Constitution, the Constitution our armed forces are sworn to protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic? Go for it. It'll be a short civil war, for oaths shall be kept.
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05:44 PM on 10/02/2011
no i think ther state has to hold an election to vote on the amendment. not just i representative voting
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Jeremy Perron
08:17 PM on 10/02/2011
No it is just representative voting!
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LouGots
06:22 PM on 10/03/2011
No. Read Article Five--it's in there.

". . .when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; "

Legislature or state convention, no Peoples' Soviet.
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lmrgreen
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08:50 PM on 10/02/2011
A Constitutional Convention is PART of the constitution: it's not "outside" it! The Convention proposes the amendment and two-thirds of the states are needed to ratify and if we are talking about a simple "get the money" out of elections and congress, yes - we'll take that bet. No one is talking about revamping the entire constitution - that's not what's needed. But an amendment is needed that makes it clear that corporations are not people, money is not speech, and elections should be publicly funded (or at the very least donations should be limited to individuals and capped at a certain amount - no PAC's, no corporations, no unions, etc.). This is not some "lefty" conspiracy to overturn the constitution. Or are you afraid your side can't support it's candidates with no corporate, back-room money?
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LouGots
04:23 AM on 10/03/2011
No. That's wrong. Kindly read the Constitution.

2/3 of the states call for the convention, it is the convention which proposes amendends which then must be ratified by 3/4 of the states,. still on the basis of one state, one vote, for the voting is by states. http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html

Where in the would do people get the idea that the amendments are proposed before the convention is convened? That's baclwards It is the convention which proposes the amendments, not the other way around. You might want the convention to propose an amendment on corporate political speech but you might get an amendment authorizing the death penalty fpr unnatural sexual practices.
Tim The Enchanter
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03:38 PM on 10/02/2011
Amendments I would like to see -

1. An inclusion of precise definitions of words so that lawyers can't escape the meaning of the Constitution.

2. A new 10th Amendment that also specifically says that the "Power to Tax" clause is ONLY the power to tax, for the people too uneducated to get that.

3. Replace elected representatives with Reps picked at random from voters who say they would serve as a Rep when they register to vote.

4. Senators go back to be sent by the states to represent the states. States have no representation, yet they are the ones that created the United States! What's the use of a redundant bicameral Congress? We've lost one of the checks and balances of the system.

5. Senators shall serve only one term.

6. Representatives shall serve only one term.

7. The President shall have one term of 6 years.

8. The Congress shall have the power to create the Air Force, Coast Guard and NASA.

9. A Constituitonal Court shall be created, manned by 5 Justices, elected by the states, that shall have the specific duty of reviewing all Federal laws and certifying them by 5-0 vote as Constitutional prior to them being signed by the President.

10. The President shall be sent to office for a 6-year maximum term, elected by the 50 Governors of the States, and may be replaced at any time by a 60% vote of no confidence.
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Cacey
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01:10 PM on 10/02/2011
Unlike many, I don't see money as the primary reason for calling a Constitutional Convention: That may be a temporary issue. I do see the extreme regionalism fueled by relgious differences and those who would inject religion above the Constitution as the larger issue. Should, for example, an Amendment banning same sex marriage be passed, what would the States that have already legalized it do? Surely they would not take away the rights of their Citizens. What would happen if a President used a religious test for SCOTUS appointments? Surely there would be rebelling. Stave off these problems and resolve them now.
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blackraisin
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02:05 PM on 10/02/2011
I worry about similar unintentional amendments. The normal process is sufficient for pressing matters.
12:07 AM on 10/11/2011
The purpose of the federal Constitution is to restrain the government, and amendments have been to clarify citizen's rights and adjust certain provisions of the Constitution. The only amendment that attempted to restrain the rights of people failed miserably, the 18th Amendment that prohibited alcohol. Most of those familiar with Article V recognize that it only has a realistic chance of ever occuring if it's called for the primary purpose intended by the founders, to thwart federal tyranny.
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wikwox
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12:03 PM on 10/02/2011
I fear a Constitutional Convention, especially with American hatred of Americans in full flower. The barriers listed to extremism seem strong. The key word is "seem". The worst part is unleashing the eternally partisan Supreme Court upon a host of changes and ammendments, what will emerge is likely to bear little resemblance to the original intent. Bad enought to live with "money is free speech", corporate "personhood" and the Citizens United decision. Worse to live with the new horrors the court would find in almost anything enacted.
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07:56 AM on 10/02/2011
"Most Americans can surely agree that Congress, as much as possible, should be unconstrained by incentives that compel it to behave differently than would a representative sample of Americans"

A representative sample has almost no relevant expertise. Legislating well requires a whole lot of expertise.

"instead we have a Congress that's so thoroughly captured by narrow interests, subject to so many perverse incentives, that it's overwhelmingly disdained by the people whom it's supposed to represent"

Is there any evidence that the negative poll ratings for Congress have anything to do with the actual behavior of Congress? What percentage of poll respondents actually evaluate a representative sample of all the bills coming out of Congress?
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05:48 PM on 10/02/2011
what we have seen is legislation requiring following party lines no matter what your constituants want. so it was with the recent balanced budget amendment. reid would not even allow the senate to debate it. is that representative government.
12:14 AM on 10/11/2011
Are you referring to the "expertise"that has destroyed our Republic with their partisan warfare? If Congress actually proposed bills in the first place, rather than partisan platforms, maybe your last question could be answered. google the number of bills proposed versus successfully passed over the past 75 years and you'll see a steady stream reduced to a tiny trickle. I think poll respondents are reacting to that rather than any particular law passed.
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04:22 AM on 10/02/2011
2/3 of the states will never call for such a convention; the GOP will always control enough legislative bodies to prevent the process.

Were enough people to run for Congress on the following "plank" of Constitutional Amendments they might get Congressional action on such amendments:

Amendment XXVIII: Only human beings are persons. No corporation, organization, or any other entity may be regarded as a person or having any rights of a citizen.

Amendment XXIX: All elections shall be publicly financed; any candidate for office accepting emoluments of any kind from any other source that public funds shall be, upon conviction, forever disbarred from serving in any public office after serving a term of 15 years in prison.

Amendment XXX: No petitioner of the government, its officers or elected representatives shall provide any emoluments or anything of monetary value to said officers or representatives, directly or indirectly, nor shall any said officer or elected representative be in the employ of any petitioner until a period of fifteen years after cessation of government service.

Amendment XXXI: Neither the Senate nor House of Representatives may enact any rule of its governance that will prevent a majority from voting on any issue brought before it for more than thirty days.

Amendment XXXII: The Senate must vote on confirmation of Presidential appointees no later than sixty days of the submission of the appointment to the Senate.

I'm sure they can be cast into better legalese, but the ideas are there.
05:22 AM on 10/02/2011
Very good. Perhaps you could pass this on to those in a position to consider them and do something about them..?
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05:51 PM on 10/02/2011
how about plain english in laws so people can understand without paying some ambulance chaser to interpret
01:29 AM on 10/02/2011
Create a multiparty modern parliamentary democracy. Scrap districts and have people vote for parties instead of individuals. To avoid the problems that Italy and Israel have in maintaining stable governments, copy the Germans and mandate that a party must receive at least 5% of the national vote before any of their candidates will be seated in the new more representative Congress. If you do this the Libertarians will now be able to vote for the Libertarian party and environmentalists will be able to vote for the Green Party and neither will be wasting their vote. Remember, the last time the Social Democrats were in power in Germany their coalition partner in ruling the country was the Green Party.
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TheGreatRenewal
We're living a Great Renewal
09:50 PM on 10/01/2011
Is this part of a Great Renewal? http://www.facebook.com/TheGreatRenewal ... join us and post the positive actions you know are taking place.

Also remind yourself about the values that make up our unique country as expressed in The Pledge of Allegiance. We seem to have forgot it's history and the values brought forth by its author. http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

As imperfect as we are, we are a progressive country working through issues that continue to plague other societies.
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09:11 PM on 10/01/2011
Given that many in power ignore the Constitution as it is, I'm not entirely certain calling a Convention would help much.

How about holding those currently in office accountable for criminal acts? A Congressman accepts a donation from an industry and then votes for legislation in favor of that industry could be charged with accepting bribes. A federal department official that alters the department budget to appropriate more funds (as the DOD may have done) should be charged with embezzlement. And any government official acting against the laws expressly stated in the Constitution which they swore upon entering office to uphold should be immediately dismissed and tried for treason.

I'm aware I may sound a bit extreme, but I'm mad as all get out at the way our government blatantly breaks our laws and then thumbs their collective nose at us.
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05:53 PM on 10/02/2011
that would mean obama would be prosecuted for abetting illegal immigrants
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lmrgreen
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08:58 PM on 10/02/2011
And just how do you propose we do this? The problem is that the system is so broken, current laws are not being upheld. Who will wave their magic wand and make this happen? The only answer is an amendment that gets the money out of Congress. We've been waiting for someone in power to wave a magic wand but we need to take it in hand ourselves and hold all their feet to the fire.
09:11 PM on 10/01/2011
Start with the fact that 50 senators represent 16, that's 16 percent of the population. This makes it extremely difficult to solve the real problems in the country. The Senate was supposed to protect of from the tyranny of the majority. This has been flipped on its head.
05:25 AM on 10/02/2011
You are right. It;s past time to remedy that. What are your ideas for doing so in a way which would reflect reality while maintaining the position of the Senate?
06:39 AM on 10/02/2011
Your perspective (you're obviously a city rat) is narrow-minded. The problems of rural America have a real impact on city dwellers (e.g. food prices).
06:53 AM on 10/02/2011
I know the issues of rural America affect urban America but the issues of urban America are grossly under-represented in the Senate. How about guns for example? I know rural America loves its guns but in urban America, we just get killed by them. How about roads.bridges, the allocation of resources for infrastructure? Urban America subsidizes rural America in a large way. There are many more examples I could give you but we are limited to 250 words.
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HST
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08:35 PM on 10/01/2011
A constitutional convention is a great idea. This is the way to go and the best way to get things done.

The one and only topic for this convention should be a constitutional amendment mandating publicly funded elections for all federal offices.

Anything and everything else would be window dressing.
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Judy M
08:58 PM on 10/01/2011
How 'bout, in addition to mandating publicly-funded elections, that the convention also consider changing House terms to 4 years and term limits for both members of the House and Senate and serving in only one house?
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09:06 PM on 10/01/2011
The problem is that that will not be the only subject introduced. Conservatives would find a way to disrupt 100 years of progress in the process.
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lmrgreen
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09:04 PM on 10/02/2011
Any Constitutional scholars out there that know a way around this? Because it really needs to be about ratifying an amendment to eliminate the control money has on our government, and only that. If we focus on one idea, one change that a majority of people can agree on, the chances are greater that we can make it happen.