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Lee Block

Lee Block

Posted: January 4, 2011 12:37 PM

The divorce is done and things are going along nicely for a while, and then it happens. Your ex doesn't tell you that when the kids were with him or her they got sick. Not just a little sick, but sick enough that when it is your visitation, you have to take them to the doctor.

And, then it happens again. It is their visitation and they show up hours late for pick up, and your plans to meet your friend for dinner had to be canceled. Or, they bring the kids home hours late, and won't answer their cell phone to tell you what is going on.

And, yet again. They stop answering emails and suddenly don't answer the phone when they have the kids so you can speak to them during their visitation. Communication breakdown in post divorce is common and become critical. It is critical that both parents have access to the children no matter who is in possession of them. That is why most decrees state that phone calls can be made and must be answered. It is critical that the parent who does not have the kids knows when the children are sick, and when they call to see how they are doing, that the phone is answered.

It is critical for the children to know that they have access to each parent, no matter whose house they are staying at. But, emotions get in the way. He made you angry because he has a new girlfriend. She made you angry because she didn't tell you about a parent/teacher conference. The list goes on and on.

Despite the long list of complaints you have about your ex-spouse, you must co-parent and communicate. You are divorced on paper, but the truth is, you are never divorced from your spouse if you have children. You spend the rest of your life seeing and communicating with that spouse.

When co-parenting breaks down and one ex refuses to communicate, it is imperative that you put your foot down right away. Do not accept less than what is your right, for your sake and for the sake of your kids. Sometimes that involves going to see an attorney to find out your rights. And, if you are lucky, then one single letter will shape up the situation. If you are not, it could mean several trips back to the courthouse.

But, no matter what it means, co-parenting is essential in the post divorce process. You have to raise your children together. Even though you might consider yourself a single parent, your children do have another parent. And, if that other parent wants to be involved, then you must communicate with them. Put the anger and bitterness aside and communicate.

One tip that has always helped me is to keep it on a business level, rather than a personal level. You are now in the "business" of raising these children with a person that no longer resides in your home. It can be tricky. Do you discipline the same way? Do you have the same values? Do you put the same emphasis on what is important?

It can help if you write down what you need and want regarding how the kids deal with homework, which friends you like and don't like, how you like them disciplined and if there are any issues, such as they are punished or grounded and things they are not allowed to do.

When it comes to children, they need and respond to continuity. So, it is important that both houses provide that continuity. For instance, Little Sophie didn't do her homework, clean her room and talked back to Mom. Mom grounded Little Sophie and took the television away for the week. But, Little Sophie is going to Dad's house on Thursday night. Make sure that Dad knows that Little Sophie is not allowed to watch TV and the reason why. Tell Dad when he picks Little Sophie up, so she knows that he knows, and can't manipulate Dad. Dad should then not only respect that Little Sophie was grounded, but he should talk to Little Sophie about her actions.

Just because you are now living in two separate houses does not mean you can't work together to raise your children. Is it harder? Absolutely. But, if you were still in the same house and Little Sophie had broken those rules, she would be grounded with no television and it wouldn't be an issue. This is important to remember. How would it be IF you lived together?

If you and your ex can co-parent in separate homes the same as when you were parenting in one home, then communication will remain open and there should not be any kind of breakdowns. Also, never forget, it's for the kids that you are doing this. Not each other.


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11:06 AM on 01/07/2011
I have been divorced for about two years now. I really want to co-parent with my former spouse but I am concerned that it will be impossible. You see, the jurisdiction that we divorced in allows international move-aways. I live in the U.S. but my former spouse and child live in Europe. I only see my child for a few weeks in the summer and a few weeks in the winter. We also communicate via Skype once or twice per week but that's not really the same as being there. I try my best to be civil and want to know how my child is doing. However, I am really not involved at all in the day-to-day decision making and planning. I am not involved in things like researching child-care providers. I may find out after the fact that the child had to go to the doctor. I really miss my child. I wish I had the opportunity to be a more full-time or even part-time parent. I am so afraid that we are destroying a life. Any suggestions?
02:42 PM on 01/10/2011
The fact that you agreed to international move-aways says it all. You should have fought tooth and nail to refuse such an action because this is the result. Just because the jurisdiction *allowed* for it doesn't mean you have to accept it. I know that what I am saying is not easy to do but it can be done.
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CitizenRob
05:26 PM on 01/06/2011
Kids aren't play things or property. They aren't there for the comfort or amusement of a parent. House switching weekly, daily, monthly, whatever, is ridiculous. Just imagine for a moment that YOU as the adult were forced to switch between houses weekly/daily/monthly for years on end. FORCED, not asked. FORCED by a custody agree and legal agreement that you were powerless to change. Just imagine yourself in that situation, because that is what house switching families have done to their children.
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Lee Block
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07:58 PM on 01/06/2011
Is a better solution to let the children decide? I personally think that at certain ages, they should have the right to decide where they want to be, and that both parents should respect their decision. The problem is, that the other parent cries out parental alienation and then there are new issues to contend with.
05:35 PM on 01/08/2011
The trouble with allowing the child to make that choice is that the scorned parent will, in many (or at least some cases) hold the child responsible for that for the rest of their lives.
02:46 PM on 01/10/2011
It's so easy to criticize without offering solutions to the problem. What is it that you suggest be done? One parent gets the child 100%? Who gets to decide that? The court? The parents? The child who is 1 month old?

Granted it's not an ideal situation to move back and forth on a weekly or a monthly basis, but that is the reality of divorce. It's ugly and not ideal for any involved.
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Trilby
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12:51 PM on 01/06/2011
You know what is also very hard? Being a custodial parent who has remarried and finds that the new spouse is in constant heated competition with her kids for her attention, resources, and energy. When I remarried, I felt like I was being pulled in opposite directions constantly. I'm sure that not everyone's second husband is as needy and immature and mentally ill as mine was, but I bet some of you know what I mean. You are in the middle in a huge tug-of-war. It sucks.
02:50 PM on 01/10/2011
Exactly. I know exactly what you are saying because I am going through it myself. Although, I did sit down to talk with her this weekend about what she wanted in her life because if she wanted me in her life this constant tug of war cannot be continued. I think she got the message and is re-evaluating her outlook and actions in regards to my daughter. She took some positive steps to mend the fence and I told her that I appreciated her efforts and that I am there to help with the process if she needs it.
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Barbara Folk
09:28 AM on 02/03/2011
OOOH, I had that... and it does suck.

My ex even blamed my daughter for our divorce, not his affair, or his lack of employment, or his complete 180 on drinking and smoking after we married (he didn't drink more than 1 beer with dinner when we dated, and after we married it was a 6-pack a night, and he didn't smoke either before, after a pack a day...).
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Vicki Larson
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12:12 AM on 01/06/2011
One thing divorce teaches you, quickly, is how little "control" you have. We may have thought we had "control" in a marriage, but when we split, he can do whatever he wants and so can she and neither can do much about it (provided it's not abusive, dangerous, etc.)

We hope to be able to communicate and co-parent well, but even the "best" divorces have their moments.

Never has the Serenity Prayer made more sense than to divorced parents: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

Co-parenting is often accepting what we can not change.
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Lee Block
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07:25 AM on 01/06/2011
Vicki: Not only do I agree with you about the serenity prayer, but I wrote an article about that here, http://www.postdivorcechronicles.com/2010/11/serenity-for-divorce/. And, yes, you can not control the other parent, but you can try to keep the lines of communication open and hope that the other parent will as well, which is what co parenting is all about. Does it always work? Of course not, but that doesn't mean you can't keep on trying for the sake of the children.
10:29 PM on 01/05/2011
My ex and her attorney have turned me into a raging a--hole over being cut off from my children. Long story I do not wish to share in-depth but I see for the first time in my life "the Human Rage" which could lead someone to cause physical harm to another human being. Being a pacifist 99.9% of my life I have a new found understanding of the impact of stress, anxiety, and depression. A Dangerous Cocktail indeed!
10:36 PM on 01/05/2011
It is a profoundly unjust system. I wish you the best of luck.
05:11 PM on 01/06/2011
Same her Dean. And after reading these posts, these moms really do believe THEY own the child as if they are the freakin virgin mary. The one poster said the father wanted every other night and SHE put her foot down and said NEVER. There are alot of ignorant fools on this article and their children will surely pay the price for it. I have lost access to my daughter due to Parental Alienation and the courts could care less. Her mother is a vindictive hateful person. Call me a mad dad, i can care less, but the tide is turning. WOMEN DO NOT OWN THE CHILD. How dad parents is not your concern, he will parent the best way he knows as will mom, so just suck it up and get on with your selfish lives.
02:56 PM on 01/10/2011
Actually, base on your posting I would venture a guess that you lost already. Whther the court cares or not is debatable; you should never stop caring. You should care what professionals call you because they are the people that is determining whether or not you have access to your child. I hope that the next time you speak to any professionals in regards to your child; you do not emphasis any words with *anger*.
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CitizenRob
04:55 PM on 01/05/2011
Co-parenting is WRONG. If the parents considered for even 30 seconds the question: "What would my life be like if I spent the next 10 years of my life moving every single week?" they would see the harm they are doing to their children.

Children by the way who need stability because these are their formative years.

I grew up with divorced "co-parents" that were best friends after their divorce. They were -always- on good terms, yet I still feel damaged by the 11 years I spent switching between homes every single friday.
07:29 PM on 01/05/2011
I could not agree more! It's sick, it's selfish, and it's wrong.

I know 2 families where the fathers demanded "every other night" custody agreement. For 10 years I've seen those children never stay in the same bed two nights in a row. The parents should be strung up for allowing such an emotionally sick existence for their young children.

Now that kids involved are teens, it's changing...they want to be near friends on weekends, have part time jobs, so they spend more and more time just at Mother's.

My daughter's father wanted the same thing, when she was just 3...every other night, because, he said, "it's only fair". I put my foot down and said, "NEVER" -- she is 16 and has a healthier custody schedule than anyone we know...it's set up for Wednesdays and weekends (starting Sat at noon) with her father, but given her age, we handle it "at will" meaning HER will, HER choice, and it's worked out beautifully for her AND us---if I need to make a change because of plans, it's no big deal, and because we are fluid with it, my child has never felt like she was being shoved aside for our social lives.

Men who never spent 30 consecutive minutes actually being with their children when married, get all tangled up in property rights when it comes to custody. It's another symptom of the myriad social sicknesses of this nation.
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Lee Block
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09:11 PM on 01/05/2011
I happen to agree that children are better off when they are not shuttled back and forth. They need continuity in living as well as parenting.
09:59 PM on 01/05/2011
Only a mother has such a say in our sexist family court system. A much better solution given how damaging divorce is to children is that if someone initiates a divorce there should be a rebuttable presumption that custody go to the other party. The spouse not initiating the divorce would be presumed innocent unless proven otherwise (innocent until proven guilty is the standard we have everywhere else in our justice system -- except family court). If you couldn't prove fault, custody stays with the parent who doesn't want the divorce. Why should we be so quick to place kids with parents who are so willing to ignore their children's basic needs just to give into their own selfish desires of the moment? If we changed to a system like this, a lot of parents would give divorce a second thought, and a lot of children would be saved a lot of unnecessary pain and harm.

By the way, here is what my son and I went through:
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/15347
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Lee Block
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09:10 PM on 01/05/2011
Co-parenting and custody are two entirely different issues. Co parenting is NEVER wrong. It is never wrong to parent together instead of like you are the only parent. THAT hurts the children.

As far as going back and forth, that is another article for another time.
10:06 AM on 01/10/2011
Coparenting is wrong if the other "parent" is abusive. In such cases the word "coparenting" is code for "let me do whatever I want or there will be repercussions."
02:03 PM on 01/05/2011
I agree with everything except the enforcing of someone else's rules in your own home. Because I had this happen. My ex's rule was bedtime 8 pm, no excuses - no lights, yet at my house, they could watch tv or read for an hour. He wanted me to enforce his bedtime rule at my house, but I don't think so. I told him that if he wants me to do that, then he can't feed them white bread at his house, because I don't have white bread here. Different people have different priorities. There is nothing to say that if your child leaves to the ex's with a penalty still in effect, that it can't be re-installed when the child returns. I like to believe that my children will learn more different ways of doing things by having lived in two different households. I take the kids to the swimming pool, he doesn't. He feeds them meat and bbq's, I don't. I think that as long as all rules are reasonable, and no one parent is the 'fun one', then the kids will be fine. Pick your battles, I say.
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Lee Block
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04:53 PM on 01/05/2011
I agree about the small house rules, but I am talking about the larger things, like punishment. And, yes it can be reinstated, but the other parent should know what happened and also talk to the child about it. If they hear it from both parents, it reinforces that the bad behavior is not tolerated.
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CitizenRob
05:22 PM on 01/06/2011
Your poor kids. You should be agreeing to the 8pm lights out rule, and he should be agreeing to the white bread rule. In both cases they are in the kids best interest.

Even better, stop being selfish with your kid's life and do what is best for them, end the house switching. Imagine if you were FORCED (not asked) to switch the home you lived in every week or two for 10 years or so. Just imagine that, and tell me you are truly acting in their best interest.
03:06 PM on 01/10/2011
Stop crying about selfishness. You are the one who is selfish. You want to tell people on this board over and over that you were *damamge* with co-parenting. What EXACTLY was the damage? That your parents divorced? Grow up. Unless you offer a solution to the problem of who gets to raise the child; stop ranting.
11:12 AM on 01/05/2011
Dear Lee,
I am not divorced but I appreciate this article. My husband and I had extensive conversations before having children about what we wanted for our kids and what would happen if we ever did break up. We made a commitment that no matter what happened, no matter how angry or betrayed we might feel by the other, the kids would always get our best. We promised that we only be positive about each other in the presence of the children. Now I know that this might seem unrealistic, especially as we are still together but I hope that should the worst happen, we can use that as our standard.
It is hard to feel that you don't have a partner in parenting and I applaud all parents (male, female, custodial or non-custodial) who give their best and put the kid's welfare first.
Great article!
Traci
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Lee Block
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01:44 PM on 01/05/2011
Thank you! And, thank you for understanding the meaning behind the article!
10:15 AM on 01/05/2011
When my ex husband and I really put aside our differences it made a huge difference in my daughter. When kids know that their parents are "on the same page", support each other's decisions, and work together for the best interest of the child, it makes them a happier & more secure person.

My prayers go out to all of you who have very difficult co-parenting situations that you have to live with on a daily basis. Unfortunately, I think that is the majority of divorced parents.
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Lee Block
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04:54 PM on 01/05/2011
LesterBee: Well said!
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02:06 PM on 01/04/2011
I'm not sure if it's reasonable to conclude that a parent who prioritizes their child's' needs so low as to bring divorce into their lives would put much of a priority on coparenting either. That's the type of parent that's more likely to care about such things only when they don't conflict with personal desires of the moment.
03:45 PM on 01/04/2011
rlaspari, there are many among us who "bring divorce into their [children's] lives" because the alternative—remaining in a destructive marriage—is worse. Not everyone who divorces does so carelessly or selfishly.
08:16 PM on 01/04/2011
Perhaps, but most divorces are harmful to children, and the studies and statistics reflect that. It is a only a minority of divorces that are in any way beneficial to children (Studies say that children are better off in divorce if the marriage had violence or threats of violence -- but that's pretty much the only case.) It seems pretty clear that most people who initiate divorce do so carelessly and selfishly. As a society we should be looking for legal and social changes to discourage this behavior.
01:19 PM on 01/04/2011
>>If you and your ex can co-parent in separate homes the same as when you were >>parenting in one home, then communication will remain open and there should not be >>any kind of breakdowns.

What utter nonsense. If there had been any "co-parenting" going on when we were in one home I doubt there would have been a divorce in the first place.

Divorce law and counseling start from a false premise there is equality between ex spouses, but if there was a mutually supportive relationship, then why did the marriage collapse? Probably far more often than divorce professionals would like to admit one spouse or the other really has been shouldering the whole burden.

For example, my divorce was precipitated by my ex's mental health breakdown. In the year before he left he became so withdrawn from the world and the kids that he spent most of his time lying on the couch playing computer games and couldn't manage to bathe or get dressed for days at a time.

So prior to the day he finally got up and left I was caring for two small children plus an obviously mentally ill spouse who refused to get evaluation or counseling. Need I say, trying to communicate with an adult in this state of mind was a kind of hell I have absolutely no desire to re-engage with.
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Lee Block
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01:28 PM on 01/04/2011
August7: What is nonsense is to assume that the only reason for divorce is due to lack of parenting. When you are married you parent together and when you are divorced you co parent. Divorce is caused by abuse, infidelity, money, family.

It sounds like the reasons for your divorce had more to do with the mental breakdown than the fact that your husband wasn't able to parent with you because of it.

And, if you can't communicate while married does not mean you can't learn how to while divorced. Different kinds of communication all very important.
04:37 PM on 01/04/2011
Lee,

>>Divorce is caused by abuse, infidelity, money, family...

In other words, divorce is very often a result of the inability or refusal on the part of one or the other spouse to fully participate in the financial, emotional and social responsibilities that make up a marriage so that the other person has to shoulder more and more responsibility in order to compensate and ends up overwhelmed, drained and resentful.

Then somehow once the marriage is legally dissolved this radical inequality of financial, emotional and social investment into the family is supposed to magically vanish?

I don't think so.

I stick by my point that your "communication" advice assumes an essential equality of commitment between ex-spouses, and that such equality so rarely exists in a real divorce situation that the advice is essentially useless.

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01:42 PM on 01/04/2011
August7, I hear you, sister. Those high-conflict situations are the worst and mental health issues are often at the core. Hang in there and remember, (as though you could possibly forget), your ex is still your children’s father. Oh, and a human being, who—whatever his faults—deserves a measure of dignity and respect. The more you hold your head high and conduct yourself graciously, the better for you and your children, however low your ex may sink.
12:50 PM on 01/04/2011
I have a couple of bones to predictably pick about this piece.

Not all communication break-downs in co-parenting relationships are because one or the other parent refuses to “[p]ut the anger and bitterness aside and communicate.” Sometimes parents close communication protectively, to shield him/herself and the children from harm, from negativity, verbal abuse, or worse.

What then? An abusive Ex should take “...the final option when nothing else works.” Rarely is it in the interests of the children to crank up the legal heat and spend their college money on lawyers, but in situations where one or the other parent is actively, ignorantly engaging in behavior which is harmful?

Undoubtedly, it isn’t something one or the other parent should be left to decide. (Hating one’s ex and wanting them as out of the picture as possible could hardly be more cliché.) However, sometimes those trips to the courthouse are about protecting children FROM a troubled, sick, or abusive co-parent. In some homes, there wasn’t any co-parenting pre-split, so things don’t improve with an added dollop of animosity and a few more trips to the courthouse.

When you write that piece about co-parenting in high-conflict situations—please let me know!

Annie Parker
www.bitterdivorcée.com
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Lee Block
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01:18 PM on 01/04/2011
Annie: You are right that anger and bitterness are not the only reason why parents don't co parent. But, this article is not geared toward the high conflict divorce, that is a whole other topic...in fact several.

Of course, if the parent is apathetic to begin with, which I wrote about in this article, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-block/how-to-deal-with-apatheti_b_792261.html, there is rarely a solution to whether or not you can co parent.

Every situation has its own story and is different. So, this article will not relate to everyone's experience, and I am so sorry that yours has been and continues to be a tough one.
sincemydivorce
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11:51 AM on 01/04/2011
The reality is that rarely are both parents going to parent identically. I think it's important to know and accept when your ex is being the best parent he/she can be as opposed to the parent you'd like them to be. There's a difference and accepting that can make your life and your childrens' lives much less stressful. You have to accept that your ex will have different rules than you and that's an opportunity for you to talk to your children about good-decision making and vocalizing their needs. Could be something as minor as your ex only having junk food and your children wanting to eat fruit.

When you do need support from your spouse on an issue, such as discipline or choice of activity, I think it's important to word that "I need/want/would like you to ......" as opposed to "You should etc." and explain why you think it's important.

And as for phone calls ... thank goodness for cell phones!
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Lee Block
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12:33 PM on 01/04/2011
I agree with you on all of this. You can't tell your ex how to parent, but being on the same page, as far as discipline helps. I think when you are on the same general page, then the co parenting goes much smoother. The problem is that so many divorced people are angry, and refuse to even open the book. This makes for so many co parenting issues. It is not about punishing the other spouse, because in the end, it just hurts the kids.
11:36 AM on 01/04/2011
Any punishments that you want the other parent to enforce should be communicated to, and agreed upon, prior to a transfer. What if the other parent feels that the punishement in excessive? What if the punishement interferes with plans that have already been made?

Reasonable telephone access to your children is important. There have been instances where the other parent has called the children so much as to cause intereference. People have gone to court to limit the phone calls when they have been excessive.
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Lee Block
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12:36 PM on 01/04/2011
This is all about communicating with each other though. If you tell one parent that the child has been punished and reasons and the punishment and the other parent thinks it is excessive, talk about it and compromise. If the other parent has plans then tell them that the punishment won't work but can be reinforced when the plans are done or when the child is back with the parent who meted out the punishment.

If you communicate to begin with, all those issues can be avoided.

As far as the other parent calling too much, I also know of several people who have certain times or amounts when you can call, but this is about basic telephone access. When that parent does not pick up during those times.