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Don't Pay College Athletes

Posted: 09/18/11 01:15 PM ET

College athletes will never be paid a salary to play for their school. There are far too many logistical, economic and legal hurdles that would have to disappear before paying students could even become a reality. The numbers from ESPN can be deceiving. It's true that big time sports like football and basketball can rake in millions of dollars in revenue, but for most universities that money still isn't enough to cover department costs.

An overwhelming majority of NCAA student athletes will make their living doing something else. Those awarded an athletic scholarship get an opportunity to play their favorite sport in state-of-the-art facilities in front of thousands of screaming fans while getting a free education, free meals, and free housing. Depending on the school, a full scholarship can be worth upwards of $200,000. A free degree (especially from a prestigious university) in this economic climate is a godsend. It's hardly slave labor.

The revenue generated from college sports doesn't sit in a cash piñata waiting to be whacked. All those millions of dollars from TV contracts and ticket sales help athletic departments balance their bottom line. At Ohio State, football net profit and "Buckeye Club" donations added up to $45 million. It's a hefty chunk of change, but that only covers roughly a third of the University's $126 million budget (you can find more OSU number crunching here). Fortunately, the athletic department has enough revenue from other sports and fundraising sources to operate in the black and kick in $1 million to the school's library renovation.

However, Ohio State is only one of 22 self-sufficient Division 1 athletic programs (report). Where do you find the money to pay athletes at the other 300+ schools? Even if schools had the money, where do you draw the line? A soccer team or a tennis team might not rake in millions of dollars, but they too spend hours in practice, the weight room, and the training room. Should they make less? What about women's sports (Title IX ring a bell?) or Division III athletes?

Economic issues aside, I still don't believe that student-athletes should be paid. College athletics should be about playing the game you love while you get an education. I was fortunate enough to play ice hockey for Hamilton College (a goalie, when my knees cooperated) and there was no greater joy than getting on the ice with my friends. For 90 minutes, I didn't have to worry about all the reading or the problem sets I had to do for the next day. All that concerned me was keeping pucks out of the net. If you start paying people, you ruin the purity of college athletics. Students play because they want to; not because there's a check waiting for them when they're done.

Lesley Ryder lettered in ice hockey at Hamilton College (DIII NESCAC)

 

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College athletes will never be paid a salary to play for their school. There are far too many logistical, economic and legal hurdles that would have to disappear before paying students could even beco...
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03:50 PM on 09/27/2011
This just opens a whole other can of worms. Do you pay ALL athletes, even the ones playing sports that don't make much, if any, money. How much does the 5* athlete get compared to the walk-on? How much does the star pitcher get over the 3rd string right fielder? And then how do you monitor athletes being paid "extra"? The NCAA already has problems trying to figure out who the rule-breakers are.
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04:23 PM on 09/20/2011
Here's the problem I have with this. What incentive is provided by paying students to play? It is a choice to play, not a given. If you do start paying them, then the top 150 of ESPN and McDonald's All American teams will be looking at dollars rather than education.
01:15 AM on 09/22/2011
They already look at dollars and not education ... so it is okay for the schools to make millions per season off these athletes and not compensate them ? If this was so easy then why don't they just get some guys off campus to play football for the university instead of flying all over the nation to sign the best players in America ? It is a business to everyone but the athletes
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10:48 AM on 09/22/2011
And it's a choice to play sports just as much as it is to go for a law degree. No one is forcing them to play. How do you justify paying an athlete but not another student? And how much do you start paying them before it starts to become not enough?
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01:41 PM on 09/20/2011
It is not the fault of the athletes who HAVE to go to college to get drafted. Make the athletes employees of the school, then let them be students if they have the grades.

But the pro teams would never let that happen. They don't want the competition for athletes. It is true the pro teams can pay the athlete more, but it is possible over time the college teams could be competition.
10:26 AM on 09/20/2011
College Sports stars for the most part do not graduate. Big money college sports hurts small schools, helps rich powerhouse schools. Players that never make it big in sports are hurt by the marketing of their persona while not reaping the rewards. I strongly feel if a student leaves early the sport or team that takes the should pay their scholarship back to the school. Schools get x amount of these per year and if an athlete leaves they should help repay the school for the loss.
01:53 PM on 09/20/2011
But they aren't given four years of scholarships, they are given a one year scholarship year to year. It can be taken away after one season.

So you want the schools to have the ability to remove scholarships if they choose but if the student chooses to leave they have to pay back all that money.

Would you stand for this in any other area?
03:38 PM on 09/20/2011
All the people I know are given the four year ride but if they fail out it can be revoked. I never said the athlete should pay it back the sport or team should. As in baseball in Japan, NBA does in every country they draft from. The only athlete that should pay a fine to the school is someone like Reggie Bush who cost approx 90 legit students a well deserved National Championship ring when they had to return them do to his actions.
10:36 AM on 09/21/2011
How exactly is a player hurt by a college or the NCAA marketing his persona without compensating him monetarily?

There's a difference between being hurt or suffering somehow and simply not getting a piece of the action.

He's still getting a free education, free room and board, etc., while getting to play the sport he loves. Where's the hurt? I'm so sick of the whining about these poor college athletes. Boo-hoo. If the kid's such a great athlete, he'll cash in at the next level.

I'm scrambling to find scholarships, grants, work-study options and anything else I can find for my son who starts college next year. A free full ride sounds pretty good right now.
10:22 AM on 09/20/2011
Stop paying College coaches millions of dollars then...money where mouth is, eh?

Money should be put into a blind trust for any draftable college athlete, for no other reason than to provide insurance for said athlete should they suffer career ending injury while helping their college make tens of millions per year.
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01:10 PM on 09/20/2011
I agree, stop paying everybody involved in "amatuer" athletics
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paddles
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07:43 AM on 09/20/2011
Sorry-but college football/basketball are the minor leagues for the pros. If anyone should pay them it should be the NFL/NBA. And why even pretend that they go to class and learn.
11:34 AM on 09/20/2011
I know it probably seems that way, but the reality is that a fraction of college football players ever get a chance to play in the pros, let alone make a career out of it.

About 220 college players are drafted by the NFL each year. There are 119 Division 1 college football teams (and every year a few kids make the pros from Division II or Division III schools). Dozens of other players who weren't drafted are invited to NFL training camps to try out. Most don't make it.

So if you do the math, that means an average of about two football players per college even get a sniff at the NFL. And in the NBA, the numbers are much smaller, since you have more college teams and fewer available slots in the NBA.

The truth is that college sports is as far as the vast majority of young athletes will ever get. It's hardly the minor leagues, since so few ever have a chance of making the big time.
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12:01 PM on 09/20/2011
But it is a free ride for the NFL/NBA is what I'm saying. They should pay for minor leagues in their sports instead of leeching off of college. And if a lot more college athletes really took advantage of the free ride through college and studied so they could graduate with a chance at a good job if their sporting career failed them, they wouldn't have to worry about their future.
01:54 PM on 09/20/2011
Agreed, make them employees of the school and let them choose to go to school if they want. There is zero incentive for those pro leagues to create minor leagues because that would cost millions upon millions.

And the NCAA has all their talent and they don't have to pay them diddly.
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paddles
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02:11 PM on 09/20/2011
Then make them-like hockey and baseball. Use some of that money for training their athletes and paying them to play for profit.
03:28 AM on 09/20/2011
I can't figure out one thing. Why has no one taken into consideration the real reason for this so called athlete to have accepted the scholarship in the first place.

It is supposed to be a free pass to get good education to qualify him for a career that will be useful for the rest of his/her life, which otherwise is beyond the financial capability. This is not the case however. Everyone of these athletes is dreaming of being drafted into NFL / NBA or what have you and making millions and living a life style bordering on vulgar. Their main interest while being at the school is the number of co-eds they can notch up.

None of them wants to put in real hard work to achieve something worth while. I have Put in 25 hours of classroom + 60 hours of work + at least 10 hours of assignments for 3 straight years, without summer breaks and ZERO family support to become an engineer. But than it is me and my priorities.
11:36 AM on 09/20/2011
I'd say most college athletes don't expect to make it as a professional athlete.

Some, with real talent, probably have that ambition. And others, with marginal talent, maybe have the dream. But most of these guys know that they're not going anywhere in pro sports.
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12:02 PM on 09/20/2011
You're making an assumption-most of these young men have been told by high school coaches and family and friends that they are "special". So why wouldn't they expect to make it to the pros?
01:56 PM on 09/20/2011
If you could have played football you wouldn't have had too. Why do we act like everyone has to have the same hard path. Good for you you did what you had to do. How does that relate to a kid who has a talent that brings in millions of dollars a year? Why should your experience dictate what others have to do?

It is selfish.
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paddles
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02:12 PM on 09/20/2011
No it's not selfish. Are you a college football player on a scholarship because you are certainly very defensive.
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09:16 PM on 09/19/2011
Student athletes are getting boned for trying to find creative ways of compensation when they want to do things as grand as saving their mother's home from foreclosure, all the way down to simply looking for a little "on the town" money on the weekend. This can be amended in a few different ways, requiring lighter burdens by the NCAA and willingness of the institutions:

1. Amend the NCAA rules to allow student athletes to work jobs if they want to.
2. Amend the NCAA rules to allow student athletes to loan out their own images for promotion. While their image may be derived from on-field performance, it is unfair to say that their consideration in exchange for time/talents in a local television commercial is so connected to on-field performance as to make it the same thing.
3. Amend the rules to give student athletes cost-of-living stipends included in their scholarships - not just room, board, and books and general university services.
06:45 PM on 09/19/2011
Lesley Ryder is generalizing broadly from her narrow experience at an elite Division 3 school. Should she have been paid? Should I? I played lacrosse at Amherst, another D3 college. Certainly not. We played because we "wanted to." I don't get paid for working in my garden either. Should farm workers should work for free too? Is my amateur gardening more "pure" than their paid labor?

For a deeper perspective than Ryder's, see Boyce Watkins's 3/17 blog: "After teaching on college campuses for the last 17 years, I've seen up close how major sports competition can wreak havoc on the life of a young person. I've seen kids taken out of my class to play on ESPN games...I've seen student-athletes wonder how they can help their mothers after they were evicted from their apartment in the projects. I've seen athletes lose their academic opportunities because they couldn't play on the field."

So much for "the purity of college athletics." Watkins points out that the NCAA basketball tournament generates 40% more revenue than the NBA playoffs and 60% more than MLB's postseason. He wonders "if the NCAA is engaging in a form of academic apartheid, given that most of the individuals doing the work to earn this income are African American, and those receiving most of the economic benefits just happen to be white." Ryder's happy experience at an elite school has blinded her to injustices in the larger world of college athletics.
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07:47 AM on 09/20/2011
"I'­ve seen student-at­hletes wonder how they can help their mothers after they were evicted from their apartment in the projects. I've seen athletes lose their academic opportunit­ies because they couldn't play on the field." Sorry-but the first part of your statement applies to a lot of other students also. And the second part-didn't they go to school to learn? Injuries are a part of the game. Why should they get paid or why should I feel sorrier for them over other students who suffer the same fate?
01:39 PM on 09/20/2011
Nobody is asking you to feel sorry for them. All they are saying is why is it even any of your business if these schools want to pay athletes. A lot of schools won't and you would be free to support those institutions.

But you don't want it to be a free market for these kids, you want to control what it is you think is fair without giving them the opptunity to earn income based on their value to a school. You know why schools pay these coaches millions, because they bring in millions by getting good players. These good players then in turn bring in tens of millions and yet they are told they can't make money because they are "amateur". It is nonsense. Every single other aspect of college football is professional, except apparently the players. Hogwash.
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05:06 PM on 09/19/2011
Then just call it a loan against future earnings. It's called risk assessment. If we have gone waaay past the point of removing accumulation of wealth from college sports then there has gotta be a way to reward those whose performance generate wealth. If a player wants or needs to "cash-in" before graduation then they should have access without compromising ethics. Once a player chooses to "cash-in" one should have to fulfill their original commitment of pursuing at least a 4 year degree as a student athlete. This would seem to me to be rational & reasonable.
04:36 PM on 09/19/2011
What if athletes are hurt and cannot play? Someone getting rich off them, sure some of them get extra benefit beside tuition. Bur it is only fair that they should be able to cash in alittle on their carreers
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07:48 AM on 09/20/2011
College sports is not a career. Professional yes. And how can they be considered amateurs if they get paid. Maybe the NFL and NBA should form their own minor leagues then these athletes can skip college and get paid to play.
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01:19 PM on 09/20/2011
The NFL and NBA have minor league systems, the NCAA, why would they create another? Both have said 18 year old men can't even try out for their leagues. The entire system is set up to benefit people who don't play the sport at the advantage of those that do.
03:59 PM on 09/20/2011
College sports is a career for the coaches, recruiters, trainers, dozens of conference and organization administrators, stadium workers and administration, television and radio personal and on-air personalities, analysts and sports writers, bookies, corporations who advertise and sponsor programs and it could go on and on.

The only "amateurs" involved is the athletes, everybody else is free to get rich off these majority black kids.
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04:25 PM on 09/19/2011
This is the same argument used to justify prohibition and the failed war on drugs. First of all athletic revenue generated by sport teams is only the tip of the iceberg. There is also television revenue negotiated by conferences and the NCAA, as well as billions in Foundation awards and gifts to the university system provided by generous fans (er...loyal alumni like uncle T-Boone). Many of these hidden benefits are lost in the accounting of real value provided by athletics to a University. Second, many of the top teer athletes (other than Div III women's hockey players) are going to college for one (basketball) or two years (football). Few graduate and coaches that don't recruit these kids not only lose plenty of games, they lose their jobs as well (so there is lots of incentive to cheat).
04:12 PM on 09/19/2011
What is more sickening is paying college coaches more than the president of the university.
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04:06 PM on 09/19/2011
Division 1 college sports are big business, first and foremost. The fact that these programs are connected to institutions of higher learning is almost coincidental at this point. The purpose of these big time programs is to generate revenue for advertisers and all parties involved should be compensated accordingly. If you dont want to pay the players then take away the advertising. Air the games on TV commercial free. Then Budweiser and Tostitos can start sponsoring ping-pong tournaments instead of college bowl games.
03:31 PM on 09/19/2011
I'm commenting without reading this article. College players ALREADY GET PAID. It's called a full scholarship. The U. of Miami costs 50k to attend. If you red shirt freshman year and then use 4 full years of elligibility that's 250k!!!!!!!! Sounds like a good pay day to me!
04:33 PM on 09/19/2011
So you think 50k a year is what these top level college athletes are worth? That is absurd and the proof is in the pudding when the same player with the same skills is drafted into the NFL and they give him millions. Why do they give him millions? Because his talent is worth that much.

Not to mention a majority of these guys don't have full scholarships and can't logistically work extra jobs with the amount of time they have to put into basketball or football.

How about this you come work for me. I'll give you 50,000 dollars worth of food, shelter, and an education but you will not make 1 cent in cash. And you will most likely be putting in 8+ hours a day of class and other activities in which I will be verbally abusive. Ready to sign up?
04:53 PM on 09/19/2011
I didn't say they are or are not worth "x" amount of dollars. It's a fallacy to say that they aren't "paid" at all. They get many more perks than any other student. Are they worth it? Not my battle.
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01:07 PM on 09/20/2011
I'll sign up for that right now! The "majority" don't have scolarships? Please. Let's put your proposal to work: How much do you pay the non- revenue generating sports? Does the golf team have to write a check to the football team?
02:20 AM on 09/20/2011
My kid got an invitation to attend a U. of Miami meet and greet and told me he felt insulted as he did not want to be a "felon in training at The U". I never felt more proud.