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Lillian Daniel

Lillian Daniel

Posted: March 9, 2011 06:15 PM

Torture, Collective Bargaining and Getting Our Own House in Order


My husband and my eighteen-year old son are heading up to Wisconsin tomorrow to participate in the protests. They want to stand up for collective bargaining at an historic moment in history. While I may worry about road conditions and the drive, at least I do not have to worry that they will be gunned down. I have much to be grateful for in this democracy, where we are able to disagree, and to stand up to one another without fearing for our lives.

I have been watching in wonder, hope and sometimes despair as people in the Middle East have stood up together for democracy. I can only imagine the fear of the mothers and fathers of the young protesters. They have no assurance that their beloved children will survive the protests. But these protesters are willing to challenge their governments so that future generations might live with the privileges we so often take fore granted.

It is easy to see brutality elsewhere and assume that such cruelty could not happen in a democracy like ours. But when people are frightened about losing their power, when they fear for their safety, they are capable of justifying cruel behavior they would never otherwise condone.

That is why I was moved in reading the words of an Ethics professor at Duke Divinity School, Dr. Amy Laura Hall, who is planning a conference about torture for students, clergy, people of conscience and people of faith, later this month.

"This is not an academic debate ... torture is always wrong, torture does not make 'us' safer," she said. "Torture dehumanizes both victim and perpetrator. And it ultimately renders the nation that practices it morally damaged, less secure, and less human than before."

When dictators and oppressors shoot on their own people, they think they are strong, but that kind of strength means nothing in God's eyes.

Let us pray for the liberation and flourishing of all people around the world. And before we judge other nations, let us look closely at ourselves. According to the National Religious Campaign Against Torture, polls indicate that more than fifty percent of Americans now support the use of torture in some instances.

The United States has much to be grateful for and proud of, but no nation stands above God's judgment. At this time of uprising in the world, we would do well to attend to our own blind spots. Having seen the brutality in other countries, might we be ready to take on brutality in our own? As we champion the folks marching in the squares around the world, might we also champion the right to collective bargaining here at home?

In the book of Revelation, there is a beautiful and poetic line: "And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." We are all in this together. Not just one nation, but all the nations, part of the same tree of life.

I recall a verse from the beautiful hymn, "For the Healing of the Nations."

All that kills abundant living,
let it from the earth be banned:
pride of status, race or schooling,
dogmas that obscure your plan.
In our common quest for justice
may we hallow brief life's span.


As people of faith in this country observe uprisings around the world, let us be careful not to see ourselves as above the fray. Our nation is in need of healing too, from the protests in Wisconsin to the prison at Guantanamo Bay.

 
 
 

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TaylerWoods
01:27 PM on 03/10/2011
Lillian- I do not see us "above the fray" ... much longer anyway. As more and more commonfolk have nothing left to lose, what is left but for the intensity of protest to escalate?
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12:04 PM on 03/10/2011
I think Lillian Daniel makes a powerful point: we can feel pretty certain that protesters will not be gunned down in Madison by the government. And yet we are far from a perfect model as long as we have special prisons where we violate our own laws and trade some people's rights for a feeling of security.

The very fact that I can object to our current government policies without fear of being shot by that government helps make her point. I believe she is right about torture -- never a good idea. I hope she's right about our being safe as we disagree with our government.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
11:20 AM on 03/10/2011
The first rule of making excuses for religion: always claim the religion and

"fundament­­a­lism/li­t­er­alism­" are somehow separate. Never offer any

evidence of course, just rely on lack of critical thinking. After all if you

can frame the fundamenta­­ls of a religion as not part of it, then you will

believe most anything.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
11:13 AM on 03/10/2011
We live in naieve blindness, if we think america is still a democracy. A theocracy is not what I would consider democratic at all. Besides, with all those protestors, people can get hurt, whether they get shot or not remains to be seen.
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cayuse
Soaring Eagle, soaring to Spirit from the ego self
10:12 AM on 03/10/2011
Thank YOU, Lillian.

As a practicer of DEED and GRACE I agree. "The United States has much to be grateful for and proud of, but no nation stands above God's judgment"

What do you think is our individual Karma in a Free Country with our Nation State dropping Atomic Bombs, Drones, unprovoked war, occupation and telling others how to live when we believe in FREE CHOICE. Even when we cannot even establish justice of our Constitution and the unalienable right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of the Declaration.

Sin to me is our material action for the self and not for the Spirit of all. Do we inherit this sin of the Nation State if we support or not support these actions?
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Sarah Trickey
love, luck and lollipops. Narf!
01:19 AM on 03/10/2011
Indeed we are the leaves of one branch, a branch of one tree... One planet, one people... may we but believe it and the truths therein set us free
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cayuse
Soaring Eagle, soaring to Spirit from the ego self
10:14 AM on 03/10/2011
Sound like this to me.

Ephesians 4
4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
11:54 PM on 03/09/2011
Are you talking about brutality coming from the "religious right"? Seems to me that we are losing all the freedoms that we hold dear in America because the Right has declared that God/Jesus favors them above all others and it's hard to argue against God isn't it? Perhaps when we finally challenge the assumption or claim that these Republicans are somehow favored by God above all others in the world is the day that the world works for everybody for a change! It ifrustrates me that you will quote from the Bible as we are being destroyed by the Bible thumpers. One of you is wrong! So is it you?
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cayuse
Soaring Eagle, soaring to Spirit from the ego self
10:20 AM on 03/10/2011
Here is the one.

29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

The freedom is you making this choice to do. Beyond word, but action
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
11:15 AM on 03/10/2011
! It ifrustrate­s me that you will quote from the Bible as we are being destroyed by the Bible thumpers. One of you is wrong! So is it you?

This is why I dont like any christians, theyre ALL cherry pickers.
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10:14 PM on 03/09/2011
Wisconsin FIRE and POLICE HAVE BEEN ADDED!!! Here is the legislation that they slipped through! READ THE LEGISLATION! http://legis.wisconsin.gov/insession/insessiondocs/docs/JR1AB11-CA1.pdf
12:05 AM on 03/10/2011
Number one fan :)