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Linda Bergthold

Linda Bergthold

Posted: December 23, 2010 02:18 PM

As we limp into the end of 2010, the lies about health reform do not abate. PolitiFact, a website run by the St. Petersburg Times, has attempted to evaluate the various claims about health reform over the past two years, assigning "True," "Half True," "False" and "Pants on Fire" to the many different claims, both positive and negative, about what health reform means for America.

PolitiFact's "lie of the year" was that the Affordable Care Act was a "government takeover of health care." This of course stimulated a bit of a firestorm of controversy, including an editorial in the Wall Street Journal this week attempting to refudiate (yes I said refudiate -- it's a word now, right?) that claim. The Journal agrees that health reform was not an attempt by government to take over the means of production of health care -- in fact, reform leaves the private sector insurers pretty much in charge as they were before. But the Journal warns us that insurers will now be "government contractors" and that could lead to socialism and that would mean trouble in River City. Actually, the Medicare program already uses private insurers as contractors, and you don't hear a lot of crying by seniors over the fact that private insurers administer the Meidcare benefits to them.

So is health reform a government takeover or not? You all know that I do not believe it is, but let's see what Huffington Post readers think. Was PolitiFact right to call it the "lie of the year" or has the role of government been so enlarged that we can now assume Washington is in charge of what our physicians prescribe?

This debate will not die any time soon. But here's one final thought for you in 2010 -- just this week, the Los Angeles Times noted that because of the horrible spectre of health reform, a fear of losing market share, and federal and state regulation in California, has caused major health insurers to back down on their promise to stop offering individual health insurance policies for children. They will now begin offering those policies in 2011, and while they will charge more for children with pre-existing conditions, they have to accept them, If this is a government takeover of private health insurance, tell that to the families of these kids who have been priced out of the market or not even been able to insure their children at all.

 
 
 
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ShoreSage
02:32 PM on 12/27/2010
The bigger lie was failing to tell Americans that they already have a "bureaucrat" between them and their doctors, only now we call that person a "claims adjuster" or "benefits manager" who has the insurers' interests at heart, not those of the patient.
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HarrietM
03:17 PM on 12/27/2010
Not to mention the bureaucrats that already stand between adults and their reproductive choices.
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pooka47401
Reality is the leading cause of stress!
12:41 PM on 12/27/2010
My Health Insurance Company tells my Doctor what to prescribe. If the Meds that my Doctor wants to prescribe aren't on their list, she prescribes what is on their lists. I have Asthma. My control inhaler that was to substitue for a previous brand, had never been heard of by my Doctor. So I would worry more about the Pharmaceutical Companies telling my Doctor what to prescribe, via the Insurance Companies. Kinda leaves the Doctor out of the picture.
07:24 AM on 12/27/2010
Some of you have very strange ideas of public healthcare. I live in a country with public healthcare. Doctors are private but have contracts with the state, if they wish.Choice of doctor are free, if he/ she has room for more patients. Most hospital are public, but there are also private hospitals. Choice of public hospitals are free, and if you have to wait, you have the right to go to a private hospital for free. Actually, yoy can choose a hospital for free in the entire EU, if the treatment is not available in short time here.
Education for all are free, and students gets around 1000 USD a month while they study, for living costs. Therefore they have no debt after studying.
We pay an 8% health tax, that covers all expenses. You can buy supplement insurance, but most people don't.
All is free exept dental care and drugs. Dental care is supported, and if your drug costs is more than about 180 USD a year, the state pays 75%.
Everybody has a right to sick leave with pay.
That costs about 55% pc of what you pay in the USA.
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HarrietM
02:56 PM on 12/27/2010
Free health care + free education = healthy and educated citizens who can contribute back into the system that helped them.

All the conservatives of the US see is: ZOMG SOCIALISM!!111 They believe this system will require them to work for free and will keep them from becoming millionaires. They do not care that there was never a chance of them becoming millionaires when they have a sub-par education and suffer from a plethora of preventable illnesses. The American Dream is the illusion that they cling to while they frantically vote for the people who actively work against their interests.
11:13 PM on 12/26/2010
I am a supporter of nationaliz­ed health care, similar to that in many of the European countries. Not only do we not have government­-controlle­d health care, but my biggest disappoint­ment in what we did get is health care that it is completely left in the control of the industry that continues its pattern of dealing with us unfairly, even in light of this year's legislatio­n (or perhaps especially in light of this year's legislatio­n). I believe the omission of the public option will ultimately cause the legislatio­n to be ruled unconstitu­tional, and perhaps then, at some point, we can move to national health care. There is a third possibilit­y, however, that is even more frightenin­g. That is that our growing deficit will at some point destabiliz­e our economy and cause all our benefit programs to implode. Actually, universal national health care would have reduced that possibilit­y, but we did not fight for that result, so now we are left to wait and watch.
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04:39 PM on 12/26/2010
Here's the single-payer website:

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/
Single Payer Action

Vermont is working on a single-payer plan...

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=2633
Pure Single Payer, Viable Single Payer, and William Hsiao ½ Single Payer Action

"Vermont’s Governor elect – Peter Shumlin – promised during his campaign this year to deliver single payer health insurance to state’s residents.

And also earlier this year, the government of Vermont called on Harvard School of Public Health Economics Professor William Hsiao to come up with three health care plans.

Plan one – a pure single payer plan.

Plan two – a public option plan.

And plan three – what Hsiao calls “a viable and practical single payer plan.”

We reached Professor Hsiao last night working late at his office.

Hsiao says he plans to deliver the three plans to Vermont sometime around January 15, 2011.

We wanted to know why Professor Hsiao would develop plan one – a pure single payer plan – and then plan three – what he calls “a viable and practical single payer plan.”

Aren’t they the same thing?..."
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01:51 PM on 12/26/2010
The health care industry is being globalized. This is from a Price Waterhouse Cooper report from 2006:

http://www.eucomed.org/upload/pdf/tl/2005/extranet/communications/resources/healthcast2020.pdf
HealthCast 2020: Creating a Sustainable Future

"...England builds a patient safety reporting system on same concept as aviation safety system in U.S.

The Philippines export nurses around the globe.

The U.S. turns to Indian and Australian companies for outsourcing radiology readings

Companies in South Africa contract with the NHS in England for a variety of surgical procedures

Australia enhances U.S.’s DRG system, which is subsequently adapted by Singapore, France and Germany.

Pharmaceutical makers move clinical trials from U.S. and Europe to India....

Some employers are sending employees outside the country for surgery; e.g.:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/11/news/companies/health_care_medical_travel/index.htm
One way to cut health care costs? Outsource surgeries - Aug. 11, 2010

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Tina Follett and her husband Patrick are in Panama on a two-week all-expenses paid trip. But Tina isn't on vacation. She's there to get surgery..."

Dental work is much cheaper in Mexico:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/smallbusiness/denticenter/index.htm
For cut-rate dental care, head to Mexico - Jul. 7, 2010
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
01:06 PM on 12/26/2010
THier is a distinct possibility that the current Obama Health Plan will be declared Un-Constitutional as their is no Precident of a law requiring Private Citizens to purchase a product.

Consequently...the Public Option becomes more likely. (which is fine with me)...
02:31 PM on 12/26/2010
There is a precedent to require citizens to buy auto insurance. Its purpose is to spread the costs of damage and injury over everyone who drives. The public option for health care would be a better option.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
03:48 PM on 12/26/2010
The Auto Insurance requirement does not qualify and is not a precident..as driving is not mandatory to the American people and people who do not drive do not pay for it. Additionally in some states insrance is not required to drive like New Hampshire for example.

The auto argument was discounted long ago.

The fact is their is no law today that requires Americans all buy a product form a private company. We have Mandatory insurance in Massachusetts...the minimu plan currently costs $10,000 a year...the government cannot require residendt earning $50,000 to buy it...their is a penalty provision for failure to do so...but is ignored as uneforecable.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
04:17 PM on 12/26/2010
No there is not a precedent here. Your claim fails on three counts.

First the requirement is a state requirement not a federal one.

Secondly the requirement is that you buy insurance to protect others from your bad driving not yourself. Liability insurance is the requirement which only ensures that the person you harm will be covered. It is surely not to spread the costs among those who are not involved in an accident.

Thirdly the auto insurance requirement does not apply to you unless you choose to drive.

The healthcare requirement forces you to protect yourself using only the method the federal government allows (you cannot self insure), and is a requirement on every living person in the US unless you have political friends who will exempt you.

This is an unprecendented and immoral method of enriching insurance companies and increasing political power over every single American.
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02:46 PM on 12/26/2010
The U.S. is a corpocracy:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/corpocracy
corpocracy - definition of corpocracy by the Free Online Dictionary...

"...A society dominated politically and economically by large corporations.."

There will be NO public option unless it benefits for-profit health care insurers.

The U.S. will remain the largest country where health care is a privilege, not a right.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
03:50 PM on 12/26/2010
A Corpocracy???...I love it when the loonies make up titles for our country....the "thefreedomdictionary" beceomes a "source"...excuse me while I laugh for a while....I was waiting for you to say "power to the people"...
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rray
Jazz Fan in Floriduh
12:00 PM on 12/26/2010
The MIC is making a fortune providing the people of IRAQ with a single payer plan at US taxpayer expense and we have to settle for the sellout plan we have. It's outrageous, and an insult to the people of this country. Very few people are aware of the fact, the ones that are should be shouting from the highest rooftops at the injustice.
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Insanity rules
11:42 AM on 12/26/2010
Regulated Public Utility? That's an interestin­g thought. Would the Federal Gov or state government­s do the regulating­. I haven't understood why Bill Gates/othe­rs haven't created a non-profit insurance agency that focuses on health not illness? Wouldn't that be a way of starting to pressure insurance agencies to do more to get clients?
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myrtle1909
I am an artist and a free lance writer
11:00 AM on 12/26/2010
There are a lot of good things in Obama's health care. There may be things that could be changed. I do know this from working in the EM room for years and seeing the number of patients come in for treatment without insurance that if this country is ever going to decrease the cost of medical care then everyone should be a part of the system and that means everyone should have health care insurance.
The people who are against the Obama care must not realize that the tax payer pays for the treatment of the ones who do not have insurance. If they want to cut the cost of their own insurance payments then they should support everyone having health insurance.
01:15 AM on 12/26/2010
Almost every industry is regulated in one way or another, thank God. Otherwise our rivers would be full of sewage, our air choked with smog, our bodies brimming with carcinogens - much more than they already are, of course. So when the Government passes laws that govern or regulate an industry, it is in no way taking that industry over, just setting rules that have to be followed to prevent the industry from taking advantage of its customers and defiling the environment. Thus, rules that regulate the Health Insurance Industry (which has become an obscene, greedy, lethal disaster) are in no way a government takeover, even though groups who want to keep showering riches on the Health Insurance CEOs and executives (the GOP, among others) try to demonize such reasonable legislation by calling it a government takeover. Yes, "government takeover of health care" is the tragic lie of the year, and bears such little resemblance to the truth as to be ridiculously laughable.
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08:20 PM on 12/25/2010
This shows one of the problems with current health care in the U.S...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjMoihbIZc
YouTube - Al Franken on medical bankruptcy

The Healthcare Reform Act has been described as everything from "Socialized Medicine" to "No Health Insurer Left Behind", which is more accurate.
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TRex86
Enjoying life in West Ohio
12:57 PM on 12/25/2010
Wake up America! I'm a 66 year -old physician. Hear me on this. Please, oh please Mr. Government take over the health care non-system. Since when is socialism so bad? We're 37th in the world yet we spend twice what the average "socialistic" European country does (per capita). Why? We think Wall Street should run health care. How did we get so committed to stupidity?

We granted monopolies to private insurers back in 1944 when they were all non-profit public benefit agencies. Now that they're rapacious for profit entities we've forgotten to undo this mistake. Medicare runs at 95% efficiency (as does the non profit Kaiser-Permanente Group). We let the money changers into the temple, and they get to skim billions off the top while denying care to their insureds.

This isn't about Capitalism, which may be a nice way to sell shoes. If anything health care is a public trust worthy of tight regulation (like the public utilities); it's health care. Why, oh why have we designed a system where only a billionaire can be safe and secure from adversity? Where health status is predicted by net worth. Why does America love its bad ideas so much and seem incapable of walking away from them? Answer: it's the money, stupid.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
01:13 PM on 12/25/2010
By golly, you may be on to something.

Let's start with requiring all health care workers to be public employees with physician's entire benefit packages limited to $50,000/yr and less educated workers, like nurses, proportionately lower paid. This alone will lower costs, while utilizing the caring of these caring professions.

To make a medical degree more affordable, let's mandate that an undergraduate degree be unnecessary to enter medical school. Let's have government take over medical schools and admissions subject to the spoils system.

I'm sure that you will agree with these "sensible" reforms and others, because money means nothing to you and your ilk. Win- win.
03:56 PM on 12/25/2010
Nice assemblage of straw man arguments. Typically the refuge of those with no true arguments.
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TRex86
Enjoying life in West Ohio
07:52 PM on 12/25/2010
Your penchant for sarcasm undermines your comments. It's nice to see that you have a fertile imagination, but I'm hard pressed to see how it applies to my post. Did you read someone else's?
07:08 PM on 12/25/2010
I am a 25 year old physician slaving away in residency, for very little money, and maintain loads of debt. I have no interest in being part of the system you are describing. I want to be in a capitalist system, and still maintain integrity and humanity. I imagine those two phenomenons don't go together for you. The temptation would be too great for your kind.

Here's a suggestion. RETIRE.
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TRex86
Enjoying life in West Ohio
07:53 PM on 12/25/2010
I weep for the future.
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08:09 PM on 12/25/2010
In a pure capitalist system, integrity and humanity have little value.
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swift goat pet for truth
The Life of the Land is preserved in Righteousness
12:30 PM on 12/25/2010
In many countries, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, treat health care providers as we treat utilities.  In our country utilities are privately owned.  Many trade on the stock exchange as publicly owned private companies.

The way the new Healthcare Law is set up, it would seem to me, though I am no expert, that this is the way to go.  

Legislate Health Insurance Companies into highly regulated, private industries.
Then let them enact the measures needed for cost savings, and, hence, their profits.

Does the right wing whine about Socialist utility companies?
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
12:44 PM on 12/25/2010
"Does the right wing whine about Socialist utility companies?"

YES.

See “Regulation and Redistribution in Utilities” by Burns, Crawford, and Dilnot for an introduction to the subject.
03:56 PM on 12/25/2010
So far you've whined about everything that involves a society.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
11:33 AM on 12/25/2010
Like all slimy political proclamations, whether ObamaCare is a "takeover" or not depends entirely on your definition of the word ... or, rather, your partisan bastardization of language that leads you to your expressed view.

Leftist corporatism long ago substituted wholly controlling "regulation" for direct "takeover" of industry for two basic reasons.

First, any literal takeover of any industry would place responsibility for results directly upon government itself and the political party who had advocated the takeover and neither are up to the task.

With this responsibility comes accountability, which no politician or political party EVER wants to be saddled with. They want to run other people’s lives and spend other people’s money entirely without accountability, hence leftist’s disingenuous attempt to suppress the term, “ObamaCare”.

Second, even more valuable to politicians than foisting their ideological agenda upon an unwilling public is retaining a pocket full of “enemies of the people” to blame endlessly for the failures of the regulatory takeover as well as the necessity for having taken the industry over in the first place.

Smarmy politicians keep another pocket filled with tiny, innocent victims to trot out, Ibsen like, as the victims of their chosen “enemies of the people”.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether the takeover is direct or a regulatory takeover, the result is the same - the incremental amassing of ever more power in the state and a continuation of the loss of individual American freedom to the state.
03:58 PM on 12/25/2010
In the end, it doesn't matter whether the takeover is direct or a regulatory takeover, the result is the same -

Such an erroneous conclusion that would only be reached by one with little or no intellectual depth.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
08:15 PM on 12/25/2010
Seems pretty objective that Obamacare did not take over health care. Did it nationalize the insurance companies? No. Did it nationalize the hospitals? No. Did it make doctors employees of the federal government? No. Did it even nationalize the insurance industry. Dear god no!

In other words, no single aspect of the current system has been put under the control of the government and you're still trying to make a case for a takeover. Well, once a liar, always a liar, I suppose.
09:50 PM on 12/25/2010
Payment of insurance will fall under "Government",that's new and not a lie.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
11:00 PM on 12/25/2010
What part of corporatism do you fail to understand? ... especially after I explained it.

It would seem that duplicity is your forte, rather than mine.