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With apologies to Richard Dawkins (author of The Selfish Gene), I have to point out a noticeable selfishness on the part of some Democratic women voters. When Hillary Clinton declared she was "in it to win", many women around the country felt a rush of pride and hope. As Senator Clinton progressed throughout the primary season, she galvanized women all over the country, who came out to work for her and vote for her.
But now that Clinton is not going to be the nominee of the Democratic party, we are hearing a terrible moaning and whining on the part of Clinton's women supporters, even to the point that some are saying they will not vote for Obama in the Fall. As much as many of us would have liked to see a woman President, it has become apparent that to insist on a woman candidate is mainly about "us" not about what the majority of Democratic voters may want or need. It is selfish of us to insist on a Clinton victory, and appalling to hear such women leaders as Geraldine Ferraro implying she might not vote for Obama because she is so disappointed that Hillary cannot win. A McCain victory would be anathema to the causes that Hillary Clinton has always supported like choice, a repudiation of No Child Left Behind, health care for all, and women's rights.
Selfish women like the ones who are grousing about Hillary's loss are precariously close to embarrassing our entire gender. If we can fight for a nomination as good or better than any man (and Hillary has fought as hard as any man would or could), then we ought to be able to lose as good or better than a man. That is, losing without pouting, without recriminations, without blaming -- the media, our opponent, men, etc. I so want women voters and Hillary Clinton to be exemplary losers. There is nothing to be gained now by this complaining and finger pointing. It has been over for months, and insisting on having Clinton fight to the finish is not only somewhat unique in political campaigns (most candidates bow out long before the so-called 'end'), it has been undoubtedly damaging to the fight against McCain in the Fall.
Clinton's argument that she can still win, as she has been proclaiming on the campaign trail for weeks, is completely incomprehensible to anyone who can count and dishonest to those who cannot. In order to overturn the long tradition of counting "delegates" as the measure of who is the Democratic nominee, Clinton would have to do a number of very damaging things -- to herself, her supporters and to the Democratic party. She would have to overturn an agreement she herself made not to campaign or count Michigan and Florida's votes; she would have to overturn the concept of using pledged delegates as the metric for victory and replace it with "popular vote"; she would have to convince 75 to 80% of superdelegates to change their votes or vote for her because of her version of an electoral map metric -- alienating not only the women who support Obama, but all of the other Obama supporters, who are more than half of the Democratic party at this point. Would that victory be worthwhile? Would that victory be a feminist victory? What would we have proved? Only that women are the most selfish of all voters.
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She is proving the sexist right.
Anyone else in the same position would not blame everyone, but themselves.
She has run a terrible campaign, is in debt, and should she run the country?? That is for a man or a women.
Equal rights does not mean you get extra treatment . It means equal.
Dear Hillary
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Remember when John McCain Slimed Your Daughter?
Reasons abound why you should do all you can to defeat John McCain--but for you, it should be personal. Maybe you've forgotten in the heat of the Democratic contest. But remember McCain's cruel joke about your daughter, when Chelsea was 18 and vulnerable? This alone should give you every reason to stand against McCain -- and nothing to boost his chances:
McCain made the joke at a 1998 Republican Senate fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" he asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno." Chelsea was a lovely young woman then, and is even lovelier now. But when you're 18, an attack like that can be deeply wounding. It's outrageous for McCain to slime an innocent young woman who'd done nothing to offend him -- just to throw red meat to a Republican crowd.
Sure, McCain apologized after a flurry of media coverage, but talk of that sort is cheap. It's like his using the excuse that he'd had a long day, after telling his own wife at a 1992 campaign event: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c$%t." That was his public response to her teasing him about his thinning hair. But the Chelsea "joke" was from a prepared text, not accidental. It's a window into McCain's cruel side. Your lovely daughter was the target of his abuse.
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Thanks for that reminder to all the women who say they will vote for McCain, just to spite a fellow Democrat. If any of these women were my friend, I would be outraged, and she would now it. A vote for McCain is not vengeance for Senator Clinton, she has worked hard to protect women, this would be a direct attack on my little girl.
Thank you for a great article. We have been demanding equal treatment. Unfortunately, part of being treating equally is losing sometimes. I have a daughter. I want to her to look to the first female president with pride. ANY woman just won't do.
i wonder did anyone label Ted Kennedy selfish for taking his campaign to the convention floor even though he only had 35% of the vote to Jimmy Carter's clear victory? The answer is No.
If Obama wants to win, then he should have spent more time and money in WVA and KY and beaten her outright. The excuse he and his surrogates are giving that his time was taken up elsewhere makes no sense. There were no other primaries when WVA voted and only Oregon competing with KY.
I find him to be inexperienced and vacuous. I don't trust his apparently intentional design to paint himself as a cult-hero (" we are whom we've been waiting for;" the rays of light emanating from his logo) and i very much dislike his ads that picture a cross, scriptures and him on a pulpit. the insertion of religion into civil society is one of the most damaging and dangerous movements of our generation.
I just sent money to Hillary Clinton.
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2/4/08 Caroline Kennedy endorses Obama and she invokes a Hopi prayer that goes: “We are the ones we have been waiting for .
U are of course entitled to yr opinion, regardless of how ill informed it is.
It's yr money.
Or maybe it was Maria Shriver who invoked the Hopi prayer...o ne of these two wonderful woman anyway.
I don't trust Clinton's motives or her judgment.
I just sent money to Barack Obama.
On the growing chorus of women complaining that sexism has done Hillary in, I don't know if I've heard a single quote with the slightest awareness that racism exists too. Either the black candidate or the woman candidate was going to fall short. The fact that they are the last two standing could be celebrated as progress but instead, since THEIR group lost, it's lack of progress. Hillary's central argument became quite nakedly to vote for her because her black opponent was unelectable by the white population. ("hard-working Americans, white Americans" - is the Democratic Primary in 2008 or 1908?) Hillary's strategy to break through her ceiling is now to reinforce someone else's ceiling. And Hillary has the gall to claim there's been sexism in the race and no racism. And while Hillary's argues Obama is unelectable with whites, Geraldine Ferraro argues Obama being black gives him an unfair advantage. When the other candidates naturally gang-up on Hillary in a debate because she was the front-runner, Ferraro claims that's sexism. When debate moderators go after Obama, now the front-runner, with shallow questions, and he shrugs it off with a Jay Z reference. , Ferraro doesn't understand it so claims it's a sexist attack on Hillary. You know what happens when you cry wolf.
"Hillary's strategy to break through her ceiling is now to reinforce someone else's ceiling."
This bears repeating - again, again, and again. Those who make excuses for her claiming sexism can't point to sexism from Obama's campaign, despite numerous examples of reinforcement of racism from Clinton's campaign. Not ONCE has Obama given comfort and shelter to sexists who would attack Clinton because of her gender, yet Clinton employs aides and surrogates whose first line of action seems to be to hit below the belt in race-baiting and hate-mongering, and this started EARLY in the campaign.
These are the kinds of politics that many of Obama's supporters are sick of, and this is one of many strong reasons why Clinton has been overwhelmingly rejected. To fight back, she has to resort to lying about the numbers, the map, the MI and FL delegations, and whatever other straw she can cling to.
I agree it bears repeating. A real keen insight.
"Hillary's strategy to break through her ceiling is now to reinforce someone else's ceiling."
Thanks for being another that the Clinton campe indeed early on started interjecting racism into cause a fraying and then egregiously cried fouled FALSELY to often and claimed SEXISM was keeping the Clinton tally down...It has been outrageous for quite some and ony has gotten worse. Finding LITTLE to be actually impressed with in Hillarys OBSTINATE /endless campaign. SOME may think it shows strength, resoluteness, determinat ion....all qualities that were supposedly so admired by voters of GWB and look what that produced for ALL of us !!! Hillary abd BIll come off as brinked on delusionality and are out to make a point that is going to miss the really important mark !!!!
Well put. As a woman, I have been embarrassed by HRC and Geraldine Ferraro. Clintonhas to take the responsibility for this loss. After all, it was her campaing to loose. She came into this race with the perception this nomination belonged to her, and it backfired. This behavior that she has exhibited has only set women back. We want to be treated as equals, why should you treat her as if she were more than equal. If she had been a man, the DNC would have made sure that she was out of this weeks ago. They have been to easy on her.
I couldn't agree more.
Thank you. HRC and Ferraro are embarassing to women.
I so agree. Feminism is about having a choice. We're no better than misogynists if we insist on a candidate based on gender. This is not about the Democrtic party, it's become a crusade for those women who feel that they have been slighted, or passed over by a man, for a job, a promotion, a position in an organization. Women are not going to be treated fairly if , in an equal competition, they cry "foul," after a legitimate loss.
Ms. Clinton squandered her chance as the Democratic nominee by using poor judgement in selecting loyalists over experts, GOP tactics over legitimate competition, spin and dishonesty over hope, and racial divisiveness over party unity.
Its high time she step and her supporters act like Feminists, rather than victims, and recognize the Choice of the Democratic party, and its voters.
So nice to be hearing the truer REASONABLENESS from Fems now coming out and being spoken in public !!! It was being demanded that if NOT with the Clintons , we were to sit down and shut up and just go along and larger segments of RATIONAL minds were getting truly AGGREVATED for it was NOT >>>JUST
To you maybe, but not to all women. You're discussing the words of a woman who is running for President in a nation where women are not receiving equal pay yet. It's a shame that people are so focused on trying to find something "petty" instead of looking at the big picture. This isn't about Hillary Clinton... it's about a person who is in an historic position that represents women and how that is being received and treated during this campaign. The lack of discussion and willingness to dismiss is why sexism still exists. So no, women who see the big picture and can look beyond the individual named Hillary Clinton, are not embarrasse d...we're proud.
Excellent post, Linda. I've felt this for a while, she wants to be treated like a man, apparently, so men have traditionally dropped out of the race when it is clear that they can't win and they then support the candidate who has won. Generally, the remaining states then swing to the new nominee, for the most part. Hillary's selfish tour has had the effect of making Obama look weak. He isn't any weaker than any other nominee who went through a hard fought campaign. And can I just say this which is rarely ever pointed out by the MSM or bloggers for that matter. A vote FOR Hillary is NOT a vote against Barack. The Clinton brand and name will certainly attrack voters, they've been in politics for over 20 years and have cultivated, if not bribed, their supporters for years. A vote for the Clinton name is not a vote against Obama. And sore losers who try try to trumpet that are bordering on being racist, if not completely racist.
Amen!
Amen twice, and I once was a fan of Hillary, now many, many moons ago...
Hillary is not the winner of the Primary process, Obama will be.
Hillary lost Washington, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Connecticut, Vermont, Oregon and Maine
She lost by 20 percent or more in SC, GA, CO, MS, UT, NB, AK, ID, WA, VA, MD, MN, , HA, WY,IL. Why is it that only the states she wins are deem to be "important" states. With Obama at the helm Dems may even win previously Red states like NC and VA.
Prior to this primary season I had a lot of respect for Clinton but now I really wish she would take one for the team.
L. Bergthold -- You can't be serious with this title, "The Selfish Gene Is Female"
Now Senator Clinton will be labeled "selfish" if she doesn't bow down and say she is so very sorry she ran as a candidate at all. All this talk about "selfish" women is demeaning.
If one followed this campaign closely at all, the truth of the matter is that throughout this campaign the biased rhetoric against Senator Clinton that was engaged in by the DNC and by some national and state members of the Democratic party was unacceptable, but particularly abhorrent were the blatant sexist attacks by the MSM and pundits when it came to Senator Hillary Clinton's candidacy.
Collectively, what those behaviors show is that the Democratic party is not the political party women should join. Not even one stalwart male [or female for that matter] in the Democratic party stepped forward to denounce the demeaning language used by the MSM or pundits against Senator Clinton throughout this campaign -- and that includes her opponent, Obama.
The Republican party stalwarts would never have remained silent and permitted the sexist/misogynistic rants that were repeatedly aimed at Senator Hillary Clinton if she were their candidate. Bottom line message to women -- consider joining the Republican party, make it into a party that values women and families -- vote for McCain in the general election.
Hillary IS selfish. It's not a label its a reality. She would be "selfish" if she were a man as well.
Also, my hyperbolic friend, no one is asking for her to "say she is so very sorry she ran as a candidate at all" and this kind of heated rhetoric only serves to up the ante not to calm the masses.
Face reality. She will not be the nominee.
The Clintons have been in politics for more than thirty years they steps over a lots of peoples to get to where they are now. They trowed a lots of peoples under the bus and not all of them committed "suicide" they moved on with their life but you can't expect them to all of a sudden like them or support them. And now they got their chance to get even and quite frankly tough luck. That life payback is a b!tch sometimes!
this article and these comments are ridiculous. the difference between these two is razor thin. she does have the popular vote lead no matter how you want to slice it -- even if for the first time in our history dems are going to abide by "rules" over fairness. you can refuse to seat the MI and FL delegates but you can't banish the nearly 3 million people who voted in those two primaries.
no one has called ron paul selfish for continuing to run. no one called huckabee selfish for staying in the race.
no one called kennedy in 1980 or brown or obama's newest hero, reagan for taking their campaigns to the convention. this article and these comments calling her selfish prove the point of sexism some of you are trying to ignore.
these are grown men and women running to lead our country; they are not running to become king and queen of the prom.
there's never been a DEM nominee who lost the primary races in CA, NY, PA, OH, TX, NJ, MA, MI, FL. NEVER. Obama has lost 9 of the ten biggest states in the Union, which have the highest electoral college delegates. If the roles were reversed, NO ONE would be asking Obama to drop out.
As much as you want to be able to hide the selfishness of Clinton's supporters behind her skirts and pretend that it wouldn't be selfishness if it were done by men, it's simply not true. Clinton has been given a wide, wide berth in this process and her most questionable actions given little scrutiny, likely from fear that they WOULD be called sexist if they gave her the full treatment her poor campaign deserved.
I sincerely look forward to the day when women in this country are willing to take their blows just like the male candidates do, instead of demanding a double-standard in terms of treatment.
While I do realize that the talking points this week for Clinton and some of her supporters is about sexism, do be realistic.
No one is saying that she should not have run. She ran a long, hard fight and has many supporters.
If she loses the nomination, which is clear that she will, it won't be because of the sexist media or anyone else. She needs to take the responsibility for losing. Blaming others won't do.
You just proved her point, if you are willing to give up everything the democratic party has achieved for women..... like abortion rights.... .simply because you think the MSM was misogynistic towards Hillary. Now that's a great idea. Have you been in a cave for the last 8 years? You like the NSA spying, the signing statements, the uncontrolled give aways to rich people, the corruption .......giv e me a break. Stop crying about Hillary losing and look at the reality. The Clinton's lost the campaign, the media didn't do it for them. If Hillary were a truly strong candidate as everyone but me says, she would have set the agenda for the media, like Bill did in 1992, and she would have contested the caucus states and not ignored them in her inevitability fog. An unknown, inexperienced black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama out ran her and beat her. That is the political reality of the situation. Smart politicians know how to play the media, we learned this from Reagan and his people. That's what Bill Clinton did to such great effect, what happened to Hillary?
If she's willing to come out and say "We're doing it girls!" and make other statements that allude to how great she is AS A WOMAN, then she should be ready to handle the negative side of that. She did it again in the speech in KY last night. I was starting to warm to her until she said that.
You never see Obama coming out and making it a point of his speech to say how great he is because he's black or that he's doing this because he's black and he feels his viability as a candidate is a responsibility to blacks everywhere. Clinton says these things about her gender.
It's fine to acknowledge the historical implications of this race. Both Obama and Clinton have done things that weren't possible even 4 years ago. But to pander to that, to use is as a motivating factor, I feel, opens you up to that side of criticism.
I support Barack because I believe in his message and find him to be a respectable, honorable man.
Clinton is a back-stabbing, lying, criminal (Peter Paul, go find it on Youtube) who doesn't deserve the top-office in this country.
I can't wait to be able to support a woman for president. But that woman is not HIllary Clinton.
Great article. Thank you.
I'm ready to vote for a woman for President. But Hillary isn't the one.
Amen!! I would be happy to (and definitely one day will) vote for a woman, just not Hillary. It doesn't mean I am sexist. It just means that after eight long years, I want a president who serves his or her country rather than his or her own interests. This campaign has shown that Hillary puts herself and her ambition before anything else.
another article where the writer can obviously not count, is it a statement of our school system that Obama supporters and press people are morons? .interesti ng
Funny super delegates are "overturning:" an election if they support Hillary but are doing the right thing if they vote for Obama, Hillary cannot win unless she has 2025 dels, but Obama has already won without that number and will need super dels to prevail...
Seems it is quite OK that a large portion of pledged delegates are awarded with a bias toward Obama but that is OK because of the Dems "preferenial" treatment of districts previous voting habits.
It seems to me there is not half a point difference between the 2 Dem candidates and for Obama and his dopey supporters to be claiming some sort of mandate is rediculous, that is why Hillary remains in the race.
Whine, whine, whine!!!! You, "TheScarle tPimpernel ", have made the author's point beautifully (if unintentionally) that Hillary supporters are so desperate and pathetic that they will twist any obvious logic pointing to Obama's win (and he HAS won!) into some bizaree pretzel shape just because they can't stand the thought of Hillary losing. Grow up already!!! Use your head, woman! Stick a fork in her--she's done.
Obama supporters and press people are not morons, they can count. And the math for Mrs. Clinton doesn't add up. He has won the majority of pledged delegates. She hasn't and obviously now she can't.
I am an Obama supporter and I'm not dopey. When you make those kinds of accusations, you sound dopey.
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I'm sure glad Hillary isn't as naive as some of her supporters. She will support the democrat once the primaries are over. Your statement calling over half of the democratic voters in the country "morons" made me laugh out loud. You women who are whining about this are not doing your gender any favors. Be a man, suck it up. Oh wait, I'm sorry, you're not a man, you are apparently better and feel that the rules as agreed to by all, INCLUDING HILLARY, don't apply anymore, now that the numbers aren't in your favor. This phenomenon of trying to whine your way into the nomination is just plain unsightly. My mother, one of the first feminists in the country, would be embarrassed at the way her fellow women are acting if she were alive today. She might not have liked the way the MSM acted in some cases, but she certainly wouldn't condone turning your back on a democrat in favor of a republican.
if you are really interested in whether the rules have been followed, do some reseach. in fact, SC, Iowa and NH also violated the primary scheduling rule and therby partially caused the problems with the MI an FL schedules but their rule-breaking was forgiven. also, the DEM rules provide that for a scheduling rule-break the penalty is to take away half the delegates, not all the delegates. But the DNC committee decided to impose the extraordinary punishment of taking all delegates while ignoring the violations of SC, NH, and Iowa and now Obama and his supporters are worshiping at the altar of the DNC rules as if they were either fair or fairly applied.
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Time for some cold hard numbers for you.
Obama currently has 1,961 pledged delegates and super delegates. He needs 64 to reach the 2025 number and claim victory.
Clinton currently has 1,780 pledged delegates and super delegates. She needs 245 to reach the 2025 number and claim victory.
There are currently 221 undeclared delegates hanging out there from states where votes have ALREADY taken place. Of those undeclared delegates, 115 are from states where Obama won. Only 86 are from states where Clinton won. If the delegates fall the way they should, based on the vote and caucases in the states in question, there are enough delegates to put Obama over the top, and then some. The only way Clinton stands a chance is to have ALL of those delegates change their minds AND get all of the support from Florida and Michigan.
Now, Florida and Michigan expose a weakness for Clinton. She AGREED to honor the party position to no recognize the results of Florida and Michigan. She gave her word. Now that it is politically expedient for her, she is changing her mind. Where is her honor? Where is her integrity? What does this say about her character? Her now pushing for the results to be honored is BUSH league politics, especially when the numbers won't help her. She has lost HER moral compass and nees to find it again if she ever hopes to become President of the United States.
Random Thoughts:
Note to Geraldine F-If you are going to whine about sexism, you might want to avoid saying things like, "Typical male, can't tell 15 minutes from 2 hours."
Another Note to GF-Yes, some people won't vote for a woman. After Obama's minister, Curious George T-shirts and Hillary claiming she should be the nominee because rednecks won't vote for Obama, don't try to claim racism hasn't hurt Obama.
Note to Hillary-If you are going to illustrate your "experience" by telling a vivid and detailed story, make sure there a isn't video tape.
Let me get something straight-It's somehow worse to disenfranchise supporters of the candidate who LOST they election than supporters of the candidate who WON the election????
Why was the Dem's primary process FAIR in 1992 and 1996, but UNFAIR in 2008????
An exciting candidate with ideas many of us were hungry for emerged. He excited the electorate and challenged US with being responsible for inciting any real change in Washington. We don't need someone in the White House to "fight for us" we need someone to lead us.
Hillary, stay in until the end or bow out now, that's up to you. Don't, however, lose your dignity. Everyone knew the rules of the contest at the beginning and Obama is going to win. It is not just the party that will suffer if this blows up at the convention. The nation will never be the same.
Let me take a look at the future say 2025 two peoples have a conversation about politic Clinton name come up. Hillary who? Ho yeah that former first lady who lost a Presidential primary bid what ten years ago or so how did she end up again? I think she still in the loony bin repeating. "I won it, It mine, my own, my preciousss! They stole it from us, yes dear they stole our precious. Those horrible mens!" Would you believe they had to drag her away on a stretcher at the convention! Yeah but she did not go completely loco until the week after when Bill filled for divorce!
End of the scene.
It not because she a woman it because she lost all touch with something call reality!
What a silly, demeaning article! Men who stay in the fight against tough odds are called courageous, women are called "selfish". Men who fight hard are called tough. Hillary is called a "bitch", a "monster". I guess all of us men who have supported organizations such as Emily's List are just deluded. Women are obviously too selfish, too emotional, too female to ever be elected President of the United States.
Clinton has been called tough, a fighter, formidabble, brilliant, strong,determined time and time again by the MSM and her "opponent". Men who stay in the fight are not called courageous, look at Huckabee, a lot of people made fun of him.
This article is dead on!
She's not criticizing Hillary for being In It to Win It - as a matter of fact, she speaks highly about Hillary's commitment to seeing this through. What she's criticizing is the temper tantrum that's occurring right now with women who realize their candidate will NOT be the nominee, therefore they're going to cut off their nose to spite their faces.
Check that. They're going to cut off their nose, their daughters' noses, their granddaughter's noses, the noses of a few hundred thousand people in Iraq and likely Iran, in addition to the noses of the lower classes and middle classes in America - just because they didn't get their way in the primary.
Your twisting of Linda's words is unsurprising. You have no interest in seeing reality, only in painting yourself and Clinton in a little pink box so you can pretend you're being oppressed by the majority - including many women your age, my age, and all ages. It is so frustrating for me to have been raised to know that I can accomplish anything - and I have accomplished everything I've set out to do - only to find that there are tens of thousands of women in this country who are VOLUNTARILY deluding themselves to believe that they're the victims of sexism around every corner. Unfortunately in this case, you're not just holding yourself back - you're holding ME back, my MOTHER back, and this COUNTRY back with your silly temper tantrum. It's sickening to watch
Excellent post BlackLeatherRain.
Linda is bang-on. What a great piece. Only people who live in the alternate universe of Hillaryland would not see the logic of this article. Hillary has sought to change all the rules of democracy in a manner comparable to Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. She is close to embarrassing women the same way Ferraro continues to.
I'm a woman, and I think a woman would do a great job as president! I hate the argument that we are too emotional etc... But just how we can't categorize an entire race based on one individual we can not categorize an entire sex based on one individual- ie Hillary.
Hillary made this about her from the very beginning. She made herself out to be the victim and that the world was against her, the media and men. She repeated this tired and divisive theme last night in her speech. She is playing a game!!! She will hit all she wants and then when the men are being gracious and there is some talk about how the math is clearly against her, she becomes hypocritical and yells "you can't hit a girl!".
By making herself and her supporters the victims of the media and of anyone who opposes them- she is reinforcing the Bush administrations motto, if you criticizes us than you are against us and you are essentially evil...
this is why she should bow out. For the good of womankind! To unite the party and to stop this false fight about Female vs Male Black vs White and Black Vs female!
No, when Huckabee stayed in the race until McCain became the presumptive nominee he was called a nuisance. Plus, as we can tell, he didn't stay in long enough to be called anything else, but I doubt it would be any endearing names like courageous.
You obviously didn't read past the first paragraph and only wanted to spout your frustrations because your chosen candidate is losing. I can understand that, but there are better ways to deal with this.
Also note that Ron Paul is seen as a nutcase, and Mike Gravel...? The respect given to him is limited to catty comments about his ads.
This is not limited to Hillary. This is extended to all candidates who seem to reject reality. Clinton is simply the most prominent of them, and the most vocal.
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