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Sex vs. Character: What Do We Teach Our Girls?

Posted: 07/30/2012 11:51 am

In parenting, as in life, it is possible to hold two opposite beliefs at the same time. We want them to be confident but humble, to aim high but not put their sense of self into external accolades, to take risks and stay safe.

Experts wisely preach "consistency," but how is that possible when you aren't sure what you think?

Usually in the space I tell you what I think, but today I am asking you to help me figure that out, because I honestly don't know.

Last week HuffPost Parents ran a letter from an 8-year-old titled "Why Being A Girl Is Wonderful." Written on a legal pad in rounded kid penmanship, it radiated pride:

"We have veginas. We get jobs. We are creative. We have stuff that makes us pregnet. We have milk in our bobes. We are smart. We have power."

We included an interview with her dad under a screenshot of her letter, and he explained that he and his wife had deliberately created this context for their daughter in the hope that it would "mitigate a little of the unhealthy social patterns" she will face as she grows.

We loved it. You all loved it. Nearly 8,000 of you "liked" it on Facebook, and nearly 1,400 left comments. I put it on my own Facebook page with the comment "You Go Girl."

A few days later, we got a letter from a reader named Marvin, who wondered whether the message being sent to this little girl was exactly the opposite of what she should be hearing. He wrote, in part:

I've spent most of my life learning the feminist lesson that gender is not a factor in what makes an individual special. In fact, gender is typically irrelevant. Everyone has one for the most part.

I think if it was my daughter I'd tell her, your private parts are just part of your biology. Nothing special there. Half the people on the planet have parts just like that. Even animals. Cows have vaginas and milk in their bodies. What makes you special, (tapping on her forehead) is what's in here. Your brain. Learning and making use of that which you have learned. Yes you are creative, not because you are a girl but because you use your brain and in particular your imagination. Boys are not special because they are boys. Girls are not special because they are girls.

You are special because you are an INDIVIDUAL...

I think I would eventually teach her that there are some advantages to being a girl vs. a boy and vice versa. I would explain certain physical advantages, societal advantages, etc. I would tell her that she is probably going to run into people that do not recognize her value as an individual because they are stupid and they think about things like vaginas having some kind of value. I would explain that these are people of low CHARACTER.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm old fashioned.

Maybe vaginas are more important than character now.

Marvin is right, too.

How to reconcile these two contradictory goals? To teach our girls that females are awesome and also teach them that their gender is not the whole of who they are? To simultaneously celebrate being a girl and move past the point where it makes a whit of difference what sex you are?

And is this even a conflict at all? I think it is. Our managing editor, Farah Miller, doesn't. She thinks it is a recalibration for generations of sending the opposite message to both boys and girls1 and that you can teach both exceptionalism and universality at the same time. I wonder if overcompensating doesn't compound the initial problem rather than dilute it. And HOW to teach both lessons at once? I wonder about that, too. But, as I said, I am not really sure what I think, which is why I am asking all of you.

Before you answer, one last data point: I have two college-age sons; Farah has a two-and-half-year-old daughter. Does that color how we view these questions? I didn't raise my boys to believe that "boys are powerful," and I wonder if a note from an 8-year-old saying "we have penises ... we have stuff that makes girls pregnet" would have been as embraced by readers. Should it be?

What do you tell your children about the worth and importance of gender? Is it possible to send both these messages at once?

 
 
 

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05:10 PM on 08/10/2012
great article.. intriguing contrasts. i disagree with marvin.

i've been boning up on contemporary philosophic writings, particularly italian philosopher/feminist thinker, adriana cavarero (1947 bra/italy). her writings and discourse amongst contemporaries: [butler, agamben, muraro] are too rich to assert in a blurb. yet one take-away speaks directly: "illusion of universality." muraro and cavarero puncture the universal-as-ideal axiom, and reconsider it as wholly western, male construct. deciphering ancient, foundational texts, they advocate for the thought of sexual difference. corporeality (body) figures prominently to "reconstruct a female truth that centers around category of birth, rather than that of death." cavarero includes "history of relation between expulsion of body from political thought and its return as primary metaphor for political order."

my personal experience/synthesis of these lofty writings (also understood in religious difference, gender, class, social-bio-cultural contrasts) is beauty lay in specificity of difference. specialness of my vagina doesn't compromise integrity/joy of phallus. not zero sum game. celebration of anything me, doesn't take away joy of you. rather, identifying/noticing/questioning/celebrating/puzzling particulars, gives way to "seeing" that is opposite to diffuse. i see you more profoundly as individual, and have far deeper capacity for human-to-human bonding.

i was startled and delighted by power in the simplicity of this eight-year-old to name her body parts. symmetry of girl-child to female-adult, across literary expressions, generation, geography, language is.. well, integrating. ty!

mazal bohbot berrie
03:48 PM on 08/06/2012
As the mother of 5 from kindergarten to high school (3 boys and 2 girls), I know this is big issue...with no easy answers. I also think that the Internet is contributing to the over-sexualization of our daughters. Dr. Albert Bandura, a leading psychologist states, “Most human behavior is learned observationally through modeling: from observing others one forms an idea of how new behaviors are performed, and on later occasions this coded information serves as a guide for action.” Our girls are observing a lot online and not all of it is good. They are young and there is a lot of peer pressure and a huge audience watching.

Here are 3 ways to help:

http://parentingtodayskids.com/article/the-internet-sexualizes-your-young-daugher-top-3-ways-to-help/
09:11 PM on 08/05/2012
Why do we have to emphasize that "Girls are Special / Wonderful" at the first place? Don't boys and girls are both special? I totally agree that "what makes you special is your brain", how you present yourself, not by using gender, but the power of their knowledge and smartness. There is really nothing special to be a girl, keep thinking that is a wrong message we are sending to our girls...
09:57 AM on 08/05/2012
I think most of this confusion comes from the idea that boys and girls (or men and women) are equal. Neither should be thought of as lesser than the other, but we were created to be different and to carry out different roles. That doesn't mean that we can't operate within each other's "specialties" but that we were specially designed to do different jobs. A heart surgeon might be a good runner, but we wouldn't want him to represent us in the Olympics because they are skilled in and properly trained for what it takes to be a surgeon, not an Olympic race. In the same way, we wouldn't want an Olympic runner to perform our heart surgery, no matter how good he might be with a knife. Both men and women are wonderfully made and empowered as genders and as individuals and we should never forget that.
10:05 AM on 08/05/2012
As for modesty, I have two daughters, ages 3 and almost-2, and I am already teaching them the proper names for their parts and that there is no shame in having or talking about them, but I am also teaching them that there are appropriate and inappropriate times to talk about or show those parts. Because she witnessed me breastfeeding her sister, my oldest goes through phases where she is very conscious of her nipples. During those times, I affirm her comments like "Mama, I have nipples. You have nipples, too. Papa nipples, too." and I tell her about how our dog and cats have nipples too. I also make a point of telling her that girls keep their nipples covered under their clothes, except for when they take a bath or change clothes, and that we don't show off our nipples. By continued, open, honest conversations and modeling myself in the way I want them to act, she and her sister will learn to have a healthy respect for their sexuality and an appropriate level of modesty.

For more info on these subjects, I recommend reading Shannon Ethridge's books and Lisa Bevere's book, "Fight Like A Girl."
04:52 PM on 08/03/2012
I have two daughters, 9 and 10.
I teach them to not let the fact that they are females be a factor in the way they present themselves or are perceive by others. The most important factor is the fact that they are good people. I can see what the parents are trying to do but I think the message may be a little to grownup for an 8 year old. At that age people skills are more important than sex. Boys and girls are not even interested in each other as such. But they do pay attention to who is a good and fun person. Plus, the better they are now in their social skills the better they will deal with any situations where sex is a factor that they encounter in the future. I have to agree “Girls are awesome!” to quote my own daughter.
Alfred
09:59 PM on 08/02/2012
I certainly believe the sum is greater than the parts. I have a grown son and 2 teenage daughters. I taught all of them about their body parts, that they are smart, that they have power, that they are beautiful, that God loves them, and He loves everybody else, and that they have responsibilities as citizens of this planet. (I think a 6 year old saying he has a penis is fine...talking about his ability to impregnate girls [plural] is probably not well going to be well received.)
07:59 PM on 08/03/2012
PART 2 - Really, what more can I say? I love breasts! I guess that's just how a complete sh-theel like me was made!
So you see, I can't really help what attracts me to the ladies. It's not the face, or the hair, or the eyes, or the education, or the temperament, or the sense of humor, or the intelligence, or the warmth, or what they have to offer humanity as living, breathing, talking, thinking citizens of the planet, or any of that bulls-it—it's just their tits. That, and nothing else.
So keep your big asses and long legs. Keep your doctorates in comparative literature, your charity work, your child-rearing, your Olympic-level figure skating—I'll take me some breasts! No, sir, I'm just not a leg man, an ass man, a cancer-researcher man, a female- novelist man, or a Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning-activist-for-the-indigenous-peoples-of-Guatemala man.
I'm a breast man! A totally invalidating-of- everything-about-women-except-for-their-breasts man! And I couldn't be happier, because I'm a complete and utter f__king bastard from beyond hell!
07:36 PM on 08/02/2012
All pieces of the puzzle that make each of us unique. Add all the dimensions together and you have the individual - hopefully a kind, smart, socially adjusted one.
03:41 PM on 08/02/2012
Marvin: The title of the letter is "Why being a GIRL is wonderful". It doesn't say "special" and doesn't have the word "sex" in it. This GIRL thinks having a vagina is wonderful. Obviously, she likes that better than having a penis. She didn't call it her "private part", Marvin did.....and somehow he attached some sort of sexual connotation to it. Why? Maybe she likes peeing sitting down? Who cares....SHE thinks it's wonderful, regardless of YOUR beliefs. Why would you teach her otherwise? She also thinks being able to create life is wonderful. Good for her. And contrary to seemlingly popular belief, only GIRLS have the ability to create life....so gender IS important. This isn't about what she thinks makes her "special", this is about what she thinks is WONDERFUL. The only thing I agree with Marvin is when he says people special is because they are an individual. Yes, Marvin EVERYONE is special because they are unique...a sum of ALL their parts, including their "private parts". But then you go ahead and blow your entire argument by saying that some people are NOT special because they are "stupid" (if they don't recognize her value) or they are people of LOW CHARACTER. Marvin, those stupid and low character people have parents too...should those parents tell them they aren't special? Me, I think it's wonderful that this little girl thinks it's wonderful to have a vagina, boobs and the ability to create life. She IS special.
01:07 PM on 08/02/2012
I have a six-month old daughter of my own. I have never felt so confident and strong as when I delivered her and held her and knew that she was my purpose. However, any woman can have a baby. And sadly, we see women (and men) on the news that are not fit parents. So with the experience of creating, carrying and birthing a child under my belt, I still feel that it is my character that even makes me appreciate those things and makes me the person I am.
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rusknative
11:34 AM on 08/02/2012
make the same case about being of a particular religion, or color as well....nothing special about skin color compared to the individual's personal values and conduct.
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Pizzed Off
11:19 AM on 08/02/2012
Just another product of the "sexual revolution" where intelligence and femininity take a back seat to sex.
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Louie Rey
11:14 AM on 08/02/2012
Well, you can't argue about the vagina part! I can't wait to see when she's 18 and she then understands the complete and overwhelming power her vagina will have. I feel a doctorate coming (pardon the expression) on!
10:29 AM on 08/02/2012
kids can repeat whatever they've been taught to say or think, at the end of the day they'll follow the example their parents have set for them
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10:27 AM on 08/02/2012
Why in the world is a 8 yr old even thinking about this sort of thing??? She should be playing with her friends and enjoy being a kid... there is plenty of time in her life to take on things like this.... Our children are growing up too fast these days... What a shame... being a kid is the most stress free time of your life!!
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h23154
10:27 AM on 08/02/2012
She is 8. The people with problems are the adults imposing adult standards and interpretatyions of hidden messages on the writings of a young child in order to make some politically correct political point. And to answer the question of the reaction to what that imaginary boy wrote, he'd be labeled a sexual harasser (boys younger than 8 have been tagged with that) potential deviant and pervert and sent to a psychiatrist for a scary diagnosis and medications.