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Seeking Single Mentally Healthy Divorced Dads

Posted: 06/14/2012 12:30 pm

Many of my divorced guy friends are frustrated because they go on first dates, but the second date eludes them. They've come to me for help because my BFF, Kathleen Kinmont, and I started a spoof video breakup company, and subsequently, many men have been asking for advice. Countless clueless dudes have watched our online clips, where we break up with guys for a boatload of reasons. They sit and rethink the date, pondering everything that could've gone wrong (and obviously did, as the girl won't return their text). So, to save them from wasting more time and getting nowhere faster, I'm giving all the men who are blown off after the first encounter some tips on how to land a repeat outing. If you have kids, think of it as a Father's Day gift, and if you don't have kids and want them, then this might help in your quest to create a family.

I'll start with some basic "Don'ts," which include talking about how great your ex-wife is/was. It only makes you look like you're still in love with her. If you must say something about her, don't let it be the story of how you two fell in love and how wonderful your sex life was. It's a miracle if you're still very close to your ex, and you tell her everything, but don't let your companion for the evening know that your ex helped you dress or gave you dating advice.

Please don't send hourly texts right after the date. The air of mystery, whether or not you're really into the woman, goes over better than stalking does. Please don't text pictures of your plate of food, yourself, or your apartment. Timing is everything, and you can't insert yourself into her life, if it's not the right time for her. She might be the perfect girl, and you the perfect guy, but if she's not ready for an instant boyfriend you might have to back off... indefinitely. Don't plan the next year with the woman when you're not even sure you will be dating in a month. A huge red flag to a woman is when a man says, "What're you doing next New Year's Eve?" after meeting you on January 1st.

Don't tell your date about how you've had to hire prostitutes because you can't find a "bed buddy." You should certainly have this conversation down the road, when you both decide it's time to get intimate, but first dates are not the right time. I've heard that "hiring help" is a common thing for some men, and I'm sure there are some women that are cool with it as long as it was in the past and they practiced safe sex. After a few encounters with your date, you will be able to see how sexually open-minded she may or may not be. Don't freak her out with the number of women you've slept with or your STD history.

If you have limited time with your kids, don't hire a babysitter to go on a date. The girl will actually see you in a better light if you tell her, "I have my kids this weekend, can we make it next week?" Divorced dads who choose dates instead of their kids on a regular basis should realize that kids grow up and move out. Your time with them is limited, but your time dating could be infinite if you prioritize your responsibilities. Trust me, this will be appealing to the right girl. When a guy is just a little busy, and can't hang out all the time, it actually shows that they have things going on and aren't just bored and lonely.

Now on to the "Do's'", which includes tipping at least 15 percent (20 percent is better) at a restaurant. Leaving anything less makes you look cheap and ungrateful. Don't brag about how much money you make, especially if you just left a horrible tip. If a girl offers to pay on a first date and you let her, chances are you blew it. Being taken care of on a first date is something girls should enjoy. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but if you can't afford a meal, then take her to a free museum and work at getting your financial life together. Girls don't mind picking up the tab, but she's not a sugar mamma. Unless you just met her at the Waldorf and she supplied you with pocket money and a suit. Finally, don't choose McDonalds.

Do keep your plans with the girl unless there's an emergency. Flaking on a first date will definitely end any chance you had for a second. It's disrespectful to cancel the day of the planned event, unless one of your kids desperately needs you or unless you have Montezuma's Revenge. All other excuses, short of death, make it seem like she's unimportant. If you can't be trusted with a plan, should you be trusted at all?

Do listen to the lady; just make that a habit in life. It's a known fact that girls like to talk, so let her enjoy herself on a first date. If you don't shut up, even for a breath, the girl will assume you're doing cocaine or worse, you're doing lots of cocaine. Guys shouldn't do all the talking unless they... no, they should just never do all the talking, period.

Divorcés should remember to be mindful of their words, both in quantity and quality. Today is all we have for certain, so live in the moment -- not the relationship future. Put away your phone and computer and make the time you have useful. Remember, internet stalking is only considered good if you're a detective. Divorced dads: enjoy your kid. Be sincere, kind, generous and upbeat. Positivity and patience go a long way towards a second date.

 

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03:47 PM on 08/02/2012
Divorced dads go through a lot- but they shouldnt be talking about thier ex. The best thing to do is just laugh about it. "check" us out. www.checksforyourex.com
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03:47 AM on 08/01/2012
If a woman isn't ready to go dutch, she isn't ready for the 21st century. If she expects to be treated, she blew it.
03:04 PM on 07/30/2012
I think if a divorce man keeps on talking about his divorce, he's not ready to date. And, this is really one of the problem why dating is not advised until you have moved on and you can be more interested with the woman you're dating rather than your divorce. http://womensdivorcelawreview.com
10:35 AM on 07/27/2012
The worst are the divorced dads who hide the fact that they are dating, forget dating you, from their children after they have been divorced for a decent interval of time. I now always ask the question of a potential date who is divorced with children. Who wants to meet a person, come to care for them, and then have to be hidden as though you are a mistress? Then, if the relationship works, you have to try to explain why you hid the person in the first place. I think, if your kids are not able to deal with you dating,maybe you need to get to the root of that problem first before you go out dating, maybe finding love, and then trying to figure out how to explain the person later because you have been "caught" with them or the new partner gets sick of spending every major holiday without you.
04:00 PM on 07/30/2012
As a divorced father with custody of my son its not hiding you from them. Its do I trust the woman around my son. I am not going to bring a woman around my son till I know who she is and is she going to be around for a while. He was 2 when I divorced and is 11 now. I see no plus to introducing my son to women who may not be there in a couple months time. What message am I sending if daddy is bringing home different women to meet him. Even if I dated 1 different woman a year that would be 9 plus his mom, so 10 women. Couple that with the fact that there aren't many women out there who want to understand why a man feels like I do. If this was a woman righting this post she'd get a lot of understanding. I'm gonna get a lot of there must be something wrong with you because you dated that many women. I find women of today me oriented and have been told by several women that me staying home when my son was sick instead of taking them out as planned was not going to be tolerated. They never put up with it from me again as that killed the relationship. Thank god they never met my child.
05:38 PM on 08/06/2012
Ogmos, agreed not introducing the kids to everyone you date is not what I was suggesting. Rather, I was stating that your children should know that you are dating period. That way there is some preparation that if someone special, worthy of an introduction, does come along, you don't need to break the news that you are dating AND that you have met someone special at the same time.
10:50 AM on 07/26/2012
I wonder how anyone who needs most of the advice given here ever got married. Sounds like common sense to me.
04:28 AM on 07/01/2012
I agree that we don't have to bury ourselves on guilt. We should also have some "Me Time" and go find someone that would also make us happier. But let us not forget our responsibilities as a parent and as a dad. We should also consider letting the kids know that we are dating someone.
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10:51 AM on 06/20/2012
We don't need another list of demands from an American woman, but thanks anyway. 40-ish single/divorced dads with a track record of custody, a decent job, and with some social skills has all the options in the world now in the dating universe. Now go read some more "rules" ladies.
01:42 AM on 06/21/2012
Wow your comment reeks of sexism and bitterness. Good luck with all your options, buddy!
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12:21 PM on 06/21/2012
Many options, thanks :) Love you
08:52 AM on 08/07/2012
You are spot on. The best advice comes from other single males that are past 30 or 40. Also, the dating demographics now available from millions of dating people online in the US show women's choices peak at 28 and then by age 37 the statistics (from real data) show women increasingly have lower and lower probably of finding a match. Single men in the US have increasingly more and more options as they age.

There are, of course, options for women over 37 to compete more successfully such as targeting men aged 10-30 years older, or returning to their hometown of their youth.
11:47 AM on 06/19/2012
Just started considering dating after being divorced for four years. I appreciate hearing men's perspectives - thank you all. I find that many guys I've "chatted" with want to give me all the gruesome details of their divorce and custody situation. I'm a great listener, but to me that indicates that he's not ready to move on. I'm glad I gave myself and my kids this time to heal and settle in to our "new normal".

I also agree that being TOO kid focused is not healthy. I have 100% custody, but I have been advised by close friends and family that a 2-4 hours/week to spend time in the presence of grown-ups is not selfish, but healthy. My best advice for everyone - be healthy and comfortable in your own skin, and don't try to fake anything. Genuine, calm confidence is very attractive. Best wishes everyone - may you find what you're looking for...
03:21 PM on 06/18/2012
Dinner? Movie? on a first date? Who does that anymore?

Men, just find a women you find attractive, go right up to her, tell her she's beautiful and make her laugh...you'll know if she's into you within the first two minutes.

If there's a spark, ask her out for coffee, nothing serious. If there a blazing, hot spark, invite her over for dinner, haha.
07:26 PM on 06/15/2012
Honesty is important. Let her know that if she wants to super size that meal, there will be expectations later.
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01:07 PM on 06/15/2012
That's funny, I have my own list I have for divorced moms.

1. Don't talk about how strong and independent you are. It comes off as having man issues. Instead let your actions do the talking.

2. Please don't expect guys to text or call you the next day. You appear anxious and insecure when you do. Relax, give the guy time to see if he likes you or not.

3. Don't tell your date that you are newly saved and celibate. He will know that your odometer has flipped but your trying to act as if your ride is new.

4. Don't say to your date that he, "has to accept your children." He doesn't want to be a surrogate father UNTIL he has gotten to know you. It comes off as desperate...slow down.

5. Don't worry how much the bill is. Why you counting his money anyway? It comes off as Golddiggish.

6. Be ready when you say your going to be ready. It comes off as inconsiderate when you don't.

7. Listen sometime and don't talk so much. When you don't he kind of thinks, "is this how it is going to be when we have a disagreement." Also turn off your phone and cpu. He might think you got a B call after he pays for dinner.
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01:45 PM on 06/15/2012
Hmmm.....very helpful advice EdC! Every single one of these makes good sense to me, with the exception of #5, which puzzles me..... It just never seemed right to me to assume the guy gets the bill, so I naturally worry about the bill, before dinner even begins.

Thanks for the tips. I wonder if it would look bad if I pulled them out on a date....:)
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02:04 PM on 06/15/2012
Number 5 makes plenty of sense if you consider what I humorously said in contrast to what the author suggested. The author suggested that the divorced dating dad should pay 15 to 20 percent in tips because not doing so would make him appear cheap.

I suggest that the amount of check is not her concern, considering he is the one doing the paying. As a matter of fact to do such a thing lacks tact. Like I said, counting "His" money comes off as Golddiggish.
11:45 AM on 06/15/2012
Bull. It's 2012, and guess what, some women really mean it when they want to pay their half. So you should "let them". In fact, you're going to come across as a difficult control freak if you absolutely insist on paying. Plus, do you really want to date a woman who says one thing and means the exact opposite?

Offer to pay certainly, but if they say no graciously accept that.
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09:32 AM on 06/15/2012
This article is a good starting point for discussion, but awfully lacking in anything but the most basic and obvious advice, but I could see some folks needing a bit of a reacquainting with these things if they've not dated in a while.
09:21 AM on 06/15/2012
From the female perspective, if you're a guy who recetly got divorced and you really aren't ready to date, then please don't. I've "phone dated" two guys who had custody of thier kids and used the kids as sheilds/excuses. They would send me texts and call me and plan all of these great dates, then right before the date they'd waffle and then claim they had to go to their kids ballgames or whatever. This "let's go, oh wait" nonsense went on for three weeks before I stopped returning phone calls. I know single dads can be lonely, or really in disbelief that a divorce actually happened to them, but stay off the dating field until you are really ready to go through with a date.
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01:48 PM on 06/15/2012
From a female standpoint, I'm wondering if it was possible that one half of them really wanted to begin dating, but the other half was scared &%#$less?

I could almost see myself playing the "let's go, oh wait" game and not even being aware of it.
08:29 AM on 06/15/2012
You have to be yourself to some extent if you want a meaningful relationship. If she doesn't answer your text after, it's probably for the better. You just have to say to yourself, next? as if it's no big deal. It takes time to find someone compatible; it's not the end of the world if you don't get a second date. If you're just after one thing, then by all means, watch what you say and do.