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Lloyd Garver

Lloyd Garver

Posted: May 19, 2010 08:11 PM

Is Wall Street Bluffing?

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According to the Los Angeles Times, some Wall Street firms don't care if a new job applicant went to business school or studied finance. The applicant probably didn't even have to graduate from high school. The firms are much more interested in how the young man or woman plays poker. That's right, sometime during the job interview, the interviewer takes out a deck of cards and deals. Another demonstration of Wall Street's love affair with poker is that at least one trading firm has their new traders play poker for one full day a week.

Many of those who apply for investment jobs are good at poker because of their experience playing online and watching on television. What is the typical personality of someone who spends hours alone at home playing poker with other people who are alone in their homes? He or she doesn't exactly sound like a "people person." In televised poker tournaments, the players who are successful are often dressed like cowboys or sport heavy jewelry like Mr.T used to wear. In this time of precarious finances, would you want these people to handle your money just because they once won a big pot with a six-high-straight?

Some financiers take this poker thing quite seriously. Aaron Brown, an executive director at Morgan Stanley has written a book called Poker Face Wall Street. In it, he advises investors to embrace risk, not avoid it. Isn't that what got America in so much trouble? Is that what we need now, more risk and less caution? Are these "experts" so unhappy with the economy making somewhat of a comeback that they want to see it fall apart again? Try telling the autoworkers in Detroit who have finally gone back to work that risk should be what guides their pension plans again. They'd be tempted to run you over with that new Camaro.

Some point to the fact that people like Bill Gates, H.L, Hunt, and Kirk Kerkorian liked to play poker when they were younger. They probably also liked to sleep, but nobody is pointing to a good mattress as the key to riches. I have the feeling that there were other things besides playing poker with his buddies that made Bill Gates one of the most successful people in the world. It's just possible that in addition to knowing that a flush beats a straight, Gates is inventive, smart, and creative.

I'm not saying that game playing can have no part in preparing one for success. If you were to ask President Obama about games, I have the feeling he'd say that basketball teaches the player about preparation and teamwork, and about winning and losing. I'd have to agree, but I still wouldn't ask Charles Barkley to invest my money for me.

About those poker playing investment traders: While there is something to be said for people having the experience of gambling with their own money before they gamble with a client's, I don't want someone who's investing my money to think of it as a game.

Poker might not even be the best game that prepares a young trader for his profession. How about leapfrog? That teaches people how to jump over others, not caring if they knock them over. That could be a game that helps Wall Street types get ahead. Tic-tac-toe teaches you that some people will play the same game over and over again even if nobody wins. That's perfect training for grinding out commissions over and over again. One of my favorites is the preschool game of "Duck, Duck, Goose." I have no idea how this game could prepare someone for Wall Street, but I'd still love to see a video of those guys in their three piece suits, telling their assistants to hold their calls while they run in a circle calling out, "Duck, Duck, Goose."

Theoretically, a poker face makes it impossible for anybody else to know what you're holding. Then you can bluff and finally you can put all the money in the pot. They call that "big time poker." A little while ago, that kind of manipulation was called, "selling sub-prime mortgages and worthless paper."

Lloyd Garver has written for many television shows, ranging from "Sesame Street" to "Family Ties" to "Home Improvement" to "Frasier." He has also read many books, some of them in hardcover. He can be reached at lloydgarver@gmail.com. Check out his website at lloydgarver.com and his podcasts on iTunes.

 
 
 
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09:28 PM on 05/20/2010
Chess and Poker are probably the two games that best teach game theory.

I do want my bankers to be good at both.

I also want my representatives to be good at both.

Then I want them to understand Win Win,
11:56 PM on 05/19/2010
Rule #1 Don't give my money to poker players.
Rule #2 Don't take financial advice from guy who wrote for Sesame Street.
09:34 PM on 05/19/2010
This is a discussion that often comes up on the threads of internet poker chat sites (www.pocketfives.com or www.twoplustwo.com for example) with mixed reactions and much debate. Like many mainstream stories that involve poker, there are a number of half-truths and misconceptions that the average reader won't recognize. It's simple to suggest that poker requires merely "knowing that a flush beats a straight," but the reality is that there is a lot of high level thinking going on among the advanced players of the game.

Someone who has shown that he has a strong understanding of calculated risk, a track record of pouncing on weakness for profit... that's what successful traders exhibit. Poker, among the experts (and not the highly edited nonsense you see on TV) is a good training ground for cutthroat profiteering. Watch a live stream of a 14-hour EPT final table to see how the strategic outmaneuvering of opponents is accomplished. Chances are, those who count on bluffing based on their "poker face" will have been eliminated long before the final table.

I do agree that these are not the traits that should be headlining those in the investment business. Winning at poker has little to do with long-term gains, it has everything to do with making prudent decisions and calculating risk to eliminate everyone playing the game other than yourself.
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02:05 PM on 05/20/2010
"Winning at poker has little to do with long-term gains, it has everything to do with making prudent decisions and calculating risk to eliminate everyone playing the game other than yourself."

And that perfectly sums up why, if this country is to survive, more attention needs to be paid to developing a sustainable SOCIETY, and not just think of this as a "place where we just do business."
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09:16 PM on 05/19/2010
Maybe the vice cops need to show up, declare gambling illegal, and kick the poker table over, and arrest all in attendance, there. That might be what it comes to, if they're really serious about reform. Start shutting some of these places down, as with Madoff et. al., and break out those nice shiny new handcuffs. Nothing like watching a business tycoon take a ride in a cruiser while his possessions get RICO'd.