I had hoped Ms. Kelly would participate. It seems in opposition to her message that she has declined to do so.
"I've been thinking so much about this lately, while I stand on the corner -- dressed in black during rush hour -- protesting the Iraq war. I was part of the generation that tore our government down, but never took the time to put something back in its place" This from the mouth of a sixty-something grandmother in Wisconsin. I was there last summer helping run a dialogue session between community leaders and veterans. Our theme? the role of the military in US democracy.
This effort at dialogue is just a microcosm of the kind of conversation that we need to have about our nation, how our government is organized to deal with threats, how we appear to the outside world and what plan we can offer to the incoming administration so they can hit the ground running with a distinctly different direction.
The following quotations are from a mid-1990's curriculum for US government staff working in Africa, Latin America and Asia.
"We must address the role that security plays in the development of a democratic state. Our ability to develop and to advance a diverse governance program depends in part on who in the state controls the armed institutions" Today, this sentence could also apply to the United States of America.
Here's another. "Among the key challenges for states undergoing a transition from authoritarian forms of government to more open, transparent systems is how to get defense right after years of military rule"
While the Bush administration has demonstrated many authoritarian tendencies, the twist for America in this description is that our military actually values democratic government, the constitution and our transparent system a good deal more than our elected leaders have for the past 17 years. It is the civilians who, discarding their oversight role -- have allowed so much responsibility to fall to the armed services. It is our civilian elected leaders who have made the topic of the American military forbidden and unavailable for advancing democratic dialogue. Our current president, his cronies and their well oiled echo chamber stop any introspective or even interesting conversation right at the doorway with a shot to the heart. They do this by waving the bloody flag, insinuating disloyalty, weakness, carelessness. This was preceded by a decade of crickets chirping on Capitol Hill -- having worked there during the 1990s, engaging in serious debate about the defense budget was easily avoided because it belonged to that subversive pile of urgent issues that smoldered but never blew up. It lay there along with other forbidden topics like Palestinian human rights and climate change. This is how dialogue becomes subversive and the linchpin of democratic government decays. And this is how we missed our chance -- throughout the 1990s at the end of the Cold War and when the conservatives owned Congress -- to talk about new roles and missions for the military. Remember, all this deliberate amnesia was on top of a clear abdication on the topic by much of the public after Vietnam. So the scary people filled the vacuum. Great.
It's not the military's job to step in and correct this huge error. Indeed, such interventions are what citizen-led democratic systems must work to prevent. George Washington knew this. So did every other former military head of state in our country. Dialogue between citizens and their military is the cornerstone of any healthy, thriving democratic system. American democracy is seen as a global model for civil military relations because the military is politically agnostic. But strict boundaries on political participation have blurred a great deal lately. Despite this, they remain vital. Its up to the rest of us to fight back the right wing talking points that seek to drag the military into the policy arena. (We need to get ready, because a zillion dollar right-wing 527 just hired the king of sketchball tactics to smear anyone who doesn't preemptively grovel for them) We must not get distracted by these pesky goons... for we'll lose sight of the restorative power of really transforming our democracy by changing the way we talk about the military, about power, about the use of force and all other attendant security issues as this war winds down. Movies like "Stop Loss" will jump start this conversation, but the rest of us need to be the echo-chamber. In so doing, we can talk in a way that is comfortable for veterans i.e. not singularly focussed on Iraq, but on what it means to serve. If we can translate this desire to our elected leaders, we will build a defense policy worthy of all the public servants who risk their lives for us, and with priorities that will actually protect us.
Here are some communication tips for progressives: garnered from years of working with friends and colleagues who are military professionals:
FIRST: Know the military oath of enlistment: As you can see, not a lot of wiggle room for independent thought and criticism, but very solidly on the side of our Constitution:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
Progressives must not allow conservatives to continually define the civil-military debate. We must jump in and redefine it, and here are a few ways to do that:
Acknowledge the crisis in civil-military relations and the progressives' part in making it so.
Show that you know the cardinal rule of civil-military relations: Civilians are in charge of policy. The more we can help to make this clear to the public, the more we are seen to stand up for public service and to align with the military.
Interrupt the conservative narrative. Turn the tables on national security by flipping their strong suit against them (they see themselves as "supporting" the troops, and we must, too). But there is a difference between supporting war and supporting our troops, which is a fundamentally flawed connection made by conservatives. Standing against war policy can be standing up for the troops. Conservatives have been very successful at putting anti-war policy speakers on the defensive. This effectively removes the military from legitimate criticism by putting a personal, soldierly face on it, thus shutting down debate. It is easy, when engaged in discussions of civil-military relations, to allow conservatives to paint you as picking a fight with the military, or being anti-military. You must not let this happen.
It is vitally important to remind people that we are spending more and more on defense, but we're getting less and less security for it. We need reform across the board.
Don't equate Afghanistan with Iraq. These are two completely separate wars, fought for different reasons. Make sure you know what you're talking about if you want to discuss these conflicts.
Don't equate war spending with defense spending. Separating them gives you much more leverage with tradeoff arguments.
If you're a veteran, or from a family of veterans, say so. If you have friends or relatives who are deployed, or in the service, say so. You can then talk about what you know of their experience.
Instead of saying "cut the military budget," talk about reform of national security. This is not about trading the safety of our troops (body armor, equipment) for some amorphous security issues. It is about both -- and we must remind people that the meaning of security has changed.
Remind others that our current policies endanger us. Certainly it cannot be argued that we have empowered a whole new generation of terrorists, and it is due to our crisis in national security leadership.
RHETORIC TO AVOID
Don't confuse commercial defense interests with public servants in the military. Lockheed Martin, for instance, is not the Air Force, no matter how hard they try to blur the lines.
Don't assume that the military is a monolith. The Pentagon is run by career service personnel and political appointees and the politicals control the policy.
Instead of saying "militarization," say "over-reliance on the military." The fact that the military has taken on so much of our foreign policy needs is a civilian leadership failure, not the usurping of power by the military. Congress completely missed the opportunity to discuss this in the 1990's when our troops were involved in non-traditional peacekeeping missions. The military understands that we need to move toward persuasion and away from coercion as our guiding principle. But they can't become the public advocates of it. That is our job.
What better opportunity to renew our democratic system, by doing the opposite of what happened in the 1970s after the Vietnam war? Boomers, here is your task: enlist veterans, other public minded citizens and individuals who care about these topics to come together and talk... just talk about the role of the military in US democracy. What we know of it, how we're related to it, how it impacts our views of public service...all of these simple queries are places to start having a vital national conversation.
There's more of these tips coming. The White House Project will soon have a dialogue handbook free and available to download on our website.
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I had hoped Ms. Kelly would participate. It seems in opposition to her message that she has declined to do so.
Ms. Kelly,
Well said.
Even as Bush was extoling the safety that Baghdad now supposedly has, an order was given behind the heavily fortified walls of the Green Zone that not only should staff stay behind the heavily fortified walls of the Green Zone, but, also, stay within the confines of particular heavily fortified buildings within the Green Zone. It must be true that in this administration not only does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing, but that both hands lie to each other about what they are doing. Something like Bush and Cheney talking to the American public. "So", may go down in history as the most unsensitive and unfeeling a response to a question about a war that is causing the loss of life and the maimings of our boys. Couple that with the "They are volunteers" remark and you have a case study for every mental disorder known to mankind and probably some yet to be discovered.
Oh yay, one last huzzah for the Boomers before they all retire and bankrupt the nation. And kudos! For after they did absolutely nothing of consequence to end the Vietnam War (note: a 'Ten Thousand Day War' and 58,000 dead means they did absolutely nothing of consequence) they expanded the State's power every year so that I can't even look around the room and find something that hasn't been taxed, subsidized, regulated, or all of the above.
Face it, you already have an Imperial Army. Augustus has assumed the throne and you are decrying the military reformation of Marius. Too late, just a little too late. The Boomers' parents got home and never figured out that the War was over. They vowed to chase Communists all over the world. Congress may be at fault, but it is the Boomers and their parents that have burdened us all with Empire.
But at least the Boomers can go into that long night realizing that they did not bring about peace, that they have done nothing at all but live in the past. By reliving their glory dies, they sat back and enabled a system that will send all our sons, daughters, grandsons and granddaughters to die for the sake of Empire.
Well, if you and your generation bring about a change then more power to you; but if you wind up old, ill, in debt and wondering how things went so far off the track after you did your best to make a difference [as I suspect is the case with many boomers], then I guess you'll remember these words of condemnation and feel like a hypocrite...but I doubt it.
So, perhaps the best course of action is to do what you're gonna do, and brag about it after it's done--the results will be self-evident, and and may well fly in the face of your "well-meaning" intentions and holier-than-thou proclamations.
Until then you're no better than the rest of the armchair warriors posting in this forum, and you already have a serious flaw to overcome: you're an American [like me], which means you're likely spoiled, opinionated and full of piss & vinegar when you're behind a computer--but it will be quite an accomplishment if you don't sell-out your moral indignation to the highest bidder [should a good offer comes along], much less accomplish ANYTHING in our pathetic political realm other than casting a ballot--and FYI, a trained monkey can be as politically virtuous.
In this country we all live in glass houses, so you might want to be careful about throwing rocks, particularly at your elders; Baby Boomers were at least taught to respect them, even if they disagree with them.
I think you're mistaking the Boomers for members of the so-called "Greatest Generation", who ultimately solidified their lack of perfection by inacting the very policies that secured our blunder in the
Vietnam War.
the rummy fool may be thinking of those World War One vets. Maybe some of those Civil War vets or something. Bankrupt him? Hell, I'm just gonna' go steal his dough.
"Instead of saying "cut the military budget," talk about reform of national security. This is not about trading the safety of our troops (body armor, equipment) for some amorphous security issues. It is about both -- and we must remind people that the meaning of security has changed."
Changed how? And do you still mean cutting the military budget when you talk of national security reform? Euphemisms and code words don"t advance open dialog.
"Remind others that our current policies endanger us. Certainly it cannot be argued that we have empowered a whole new generation of terrorists, and it is due to our crisis in national security leadership."
It certainly can be argued. Terrorists are not created. They may, however, be revealed and that revelation is a good thing as it allows us to deal with them.
"Don't equate war spending with defense spending. Separating them gives you much more leverage with tradeoff arguments."
I don"t think it matters.
"If you're a veteran, or from a family of veterans, say so. If you have friends or relatives who are deployed, or in the service, say so. You can then talk about what you know of their experience."
But be sure you really know what those experiences are. Do not misrepresent or assume. Do not put words in the mouths of others. Just to be clear, here, I"ve already generalized on what military people think a number of times above. Let me acknowledge that we are not monolithic in opinion. There is, however, a decided majority of opinion along the lines I"ve described.
"Don't equate Afghanistan with Iraq. These are two completely separate wars, fought for different reasons. Make sure you know what you're talking about if you want to discuss these conflicts."
If you try that with me, you will convince me that you do not know what you are talking about. Afghanistan and Iraq (and the Horn of Africa, Georgia, Colombia, Indonesia, the Philippines¦.) are all campaigns in the War on Terror (or what ever name you"d prefer if you don"t like that one). It"s one war.
Ein Kreig. Ein Volk. Ein Busch. Well maybe two Bush's or so.
Never heard of Godwin, have you?
"Conservatives have been very successful at putting anti-war policy speakers on the defensive. This effectively removes the military from legitimate criticism by putting a personal, soldierly face on it, thus shutting down debate. It is easy, when engaged in discussions of civil-military relations, to allow conservatives to paint you as picking a fight with the military, or being anti-military. You must not let this happen."
It"s already happened. If you have advice on how to recover credibility with those of us in uniform, those would be a good place to present that.
"It is vitally important to remind people that we are spending more and more on defense, but we're getting less and less security for it. We need reform across the board."
I just plain don"t think this is true. I"d like to know what reforms you have in mind.
"Interrupt the conservative narrative. Turn the tables on national security by flipping their strong suit against them (they see themselves as "supporting" the troops, and we must, too). But there is a difference between supporting war and supporting our troops, which is a fundamentally flawed connection made by conservatives."
Not so much. If you want to be seen by us as supporting us, you have to be willing to support our missions. In the case of this war, you missed the moment. The time for opposition and that kind of support, was before we were committed to the mission. Once we"ve crossed the Line of Departure, however, it"s too late. Once we"ve set about making policy into reality, the only support most of us will acknowledge as such is that that supports our mission.
"Standing against war policy can be standing up for the troops."
Yes. But let me emphasize; only before the fact. Afterward it"s not support, it"s opposition.
"Yes. But let me emphasize; only before the fact. Afterward it"s not support, it"s opposition."
That really doesn't hold up under scrutiny, does it? I mean, I opposed the war before it happened--does that make me a troop supporter once removed, or what? Am I in opposition now because the protests that I and other made did not prevent the war? Am I a supporter, even though I oppose your war action, because I opposed it before the first shot was fired?
Sorry, it doesn't hold up. I support the troops by opposing them being sent into an illegal, aggressive war action on a sovereign nation that did nothing in provocation. That applies to me, and it applies to any other American--before or after the beginning--who opposes criminality in the guise of war.
You may be speaking for yourself and many others in the military, but I know for a FACT that you do NOT speak for many who have served in Iraq and now quite vocally oppose the war there. If you try to cast the US populace as being villainous by virtue of opposing the war, then you are no better than the criminal masters that you serve.
"If you want to be seen by us as supporting us, you have to be willing to support our missions."
Sorry, but blind patriotism is only useful to tyrants, and appealing only to the morally blind.
Funny, you must be talking to different folks than me, in my unit we pretty much want the war to end. Of course our primary mission is police and protect, and the war on terrorism has created so many more hostiles and threats it makes our life a lot harder. Actually protecting people from terrorist attacks is easier when you don't stupidly piss people off and then turn your backs on them.
Oh, wait, you are a trainer, not a warfighter.
Nice. The REMF argument? That's almost as bankrupt as "chickenhawk". I'll point out that you know nothing about me beyond the handle I post under and leave it at that.
"Acknowledge the crisis in civil-military relations and the progressives' part in making it so."
I"m not really clear on what this means, but if it results in "progressives" saying, "It"s our fault," I"m all for it. Seriously, though, I"m not sure what "crisis in civil-military relations" exists.
"Show that you know the cardinal rule of civil-military relations: Civilians are in charge of policy. The more we can help to make this clear to the public, the more we are seen to stand up for public service and to align with the military."
Careful. That bit of advice is going to be interpreted by many as a license to order Soldiers about with claptrap about, "I pay your paycheck, you work for me." If the intent here is to emphasize that "the troops" don"t formulate policy, no problem, but that"s not explicit in the advice here.
Um, RTO, they do pay our paychecks, and we do work for them. As for the crisis, she is pointing out that for the most part we are being used as PR pawns, on both sides of the aisle. As for progressives saying "It's our fault," it is partly their fault, and partly the conservitives fault, and especially the neocons fault.
What it comes down to is, how long do you want to do deplotments every year and how many buddies do you want to see die so we can piss off more locals into doing to us what we would do to them if they occupied our nation?
Sorry, but we pay taxes too and we're all equal under the law. When Jow Blow is in the Chain of Command, I'll take orders from him. Until then, there may be cases where he has to take orders from me.
"FIRST: Know the military oath of enlistment: As you can see, not a lot of wiggle room for independent thought and criticism, but very solidly on the side of our Constitution:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Okay. Good first step, but it"s muffed in the introduction. "¦not a lot of wiggle room for independent thought and criticism¦" Sorry, but the thing says that those of us who take the oath must be conversant with regulations and the UCMJ. I think everyone is aware that we are not required to follow illegal orders. That means that all of us have to know what is and isn"t legal and be able to judge. It also means that we have to be able to articulate that should the need arise, wither to the person issuing the orders or to the JAG or IG later. That"s a requirement for independent thought and criticism.
And that doesn"t even begin to consider that initiative and improvisation are highly prized military virtues. Another requirement independent thought.
But, yes, the general population should know what our oath is.
"Movies like "Stop Loss" will jump start this conversation, but the rest of us need to be the echo-chamber."
Only Boomers would take seriously a movie out from MVT Films. I haven"t seen it, but I"m certain that they will not get the facts of how Stop Loss" policy works. I"ll be pleasantly surprised to be wrong, but virtually no one gets it right.
Haven't seen the movie - probably won't pay $10 bucks to go see it. But isn't this country all about contract law? I think the folks who join up ought to think about incorporating themselves. (Disclaimer. They tried to draft me for Vietnam but I really didn't feel any need to kill my Asian brothers and sisters.)
I won't pay to see it either, but if the opportunity comes up to see it other wise, I'll watch to satisfy my curiousity regarding how badly another movie gets it wrong. You ought to read through the US Miltiary Enlistment Contract. I think that'd clear up a lot. It's short and simple and there is no fine print.
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0004.pdf
OK, lets talk about how stop loss works:
you say, gee, I've been in a good 20 years, and have served my nation well, I think I will retire.
Military says OK.
You start planning your life, put away your uniforms, spend some time with your family...
Military says oops, changed my mind, come back.
You put on your uniform, effectivly drafted because you once volunteered.
Basically we are punishing the people who volunteered to defend our country, while giving all the war cheerleaders a free ride. I say we need a limited draft...
Draft the closest military grade relitive of every chicken hawk who crows for the war, and the war would be over in 3 months.
Here are some questions to highlight the common misconceptions about Stop Loss? All are true/false. Anyone may play, and we'll see how you do.
1. Stop Loss is only applied to military units and not to individuals.
2. Stop Loss goes into effect only upon a unit being placed on alert for mobilization. Unless that condition has been met all personnel in the unit will separate from service normally.
3. Stop Loss ends either when a unit is stood down from alert or 90 days after redeployment.
4. Individuals who attain their 61st birthday still separate from service, regardless of Stop Loss status.
5. Individuals under Stop Loss have their End Term of Service (ETS) dates administratively changed in the automated systems to a date many years into the future to prevent various pay and benefit problems that could arise during deployment.
6. The DD Form 4--the military enlsitment contract-- states that all service persons may be held in service beyond the normal ETS date during a war or declared national emergency for the duration plus 6 months.
7. All Stop Loss effected personnel that would have ETSed during their deployment, unless they have expressly chosen to re-enlsit or extend their contract, will ETS upon the 90th day after redeployment.
8. Stop Loss is NOT an involuntary re-enlsitment.
"But there is a difference between supporting war and supporting our troops, which is a fundamentally flawed connection made by conservatives. Standing against war policy can be standing up for the troops."
And what about troops that support the war policy? Are they excluded form your support?
"Don't equate Afghanistan with Iraq. These are two completely separate wars, fought for different reasons. Make sure you know what you're talking about if you want to discuss these conflicts."
Perhaps you should take your own advice on this one, and make sure you know what you are talking about!
Thanks for the tips, Lor'!!
Well, I'm a veteran, and I'll take a shot at George's job, if no one objects, and I'll chop and channel that 'defense' budget and it'll be some lean, lean bacon when I get done(heart-healthy, and all that).
Further, the Commander-in-chief comMANDS the troops, it's in the name, and stuff. 'Supporting the troops' is something the troops USED to do for themSELVES before they got into all this exotic, expensive, KBR-related garbola.
Policy? I'll give ya POLICY....picture, in your minds' eye, a deserted boom-town, the swinging doors on the local saloon rocking back and forth in the afternoon breeze...where all that 'defense' stuff used to be happening Over There...'kitty's going back in the BAG. May not like it, but 'fluffy' has had his play-time...
Vote for Bert! Let's clean house, have a little G.I. party there at the Penta$cam!
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key-phrase for my campaign: Budget Cuts. 30%, across-the-board. Less money to steal, less to worry about. Everything else will come out in the wash, over time, get a handle on the run-amok spending.
Bert08
What we now call the Neoconservative agenda, that our purpose in international affairs should be to forge a confederation of democracies through preemptive war, is essentially the Wilsonian vision of America's role in the world.
In the internal chambers of conservative think tanks, this is a vision that is defensible only in its notional form and much less in how it plays out in the real world. It's the difference between a closely reasoned American Enterprise Institute white paper and the destruction of Iraq's government, military, and civil infrastructure with the resultant human misery.
World War II profoundly affected American thinking on this prospect. Since then, we have become an unabashedly warrior culture. No President since then has been free from ordering Americans into a foreign war in furtherance of what we believe our role in world affairs should be.
If one believes this to be a mad, self-defeating view of reality, then the target of our protestations should not be our politicians but our fellow citizens. A politics of endless war cannot exist without popular support.
A dynamic argument. Perhaps for folks not there or involved or too young for the time you could extrapolate on: "What better opportunity to renew our democratic system, by doing the opposite of what happened in the 1970s after the Vietnam war?"
I had to re-read you twice just to catch up to how good, how direct and pertinent your post is.
I apologize if I seem fawning. I haven't before seen such an excellent summation.
While I applaud your article and the well-thought ideas on how to reframe a conversation about the military with conservatives, I completely reject that our current situation can be laid solely at the feet of Boomers. If we had no conversation about Vietnam after we finally left, then lay that mistake on the World War II generation who were in power at the time, Nixon then Ford then Carter then Reagan then Bush I. Even though Shrub is the President, I think it's generally agreed that the levers of power in this administration are being pulled by Cheney, who by birth is specifically not a Boomer and in fact his ideologies seem to be more aligned with those the WWII era. As a Boomer, I often feel like we haven't been as effective as it seemed we would be, because we could never get our parents to get out of the way. Part of what has put me off about Sen. Obama's candidacy is the impression that he thinks Boomers have had their chance and are now not to be part of the solution in favor a new generation.
Texanna
"As a Boomer, I often feel like we haven't been as effective as it seemed we would be, because we could never get our parents to get out of the way."
what I find uncomfortable is that we do not seem to have imbued or inspired the generations between the 18 and 40ish to be involved in civic and political engagement and responsibility. If you go to demonstrations the majority of people are over 40. These people have been showing up, doing the grunt work and taking the risks for decades in an attempt to have some kind of impact. Without that fierce energy of youth the impact is just not as great. I am always waiting to see a couple of hundred thousand, hell, a couple of thousand "kids" say "NO," not going to the "free speech zone" this time, not going to be packed into an enclosure where the media can continue to ignore us. Where is the civil disobedience? Yes there is a risk of being arrested, maybe hit with a club or tear gassed and yeah, it sucks. But it sucks more to have the last 8 years and no real fight against it. We sign online petitions, contribute to Progressive action groups and campaigns and that is all helpful and commendable but none of that takes the place of getting into the street where you are visible, where the numbers cannot be ignored.
Posted March 27, 2008 | 11:48 AM (EST)