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The Second Coming Of Roseanne

Posted: 08/11/11 06:03 PM ET

I want to be excited about a new blue-collar sitcom starring Roseanne. But as it stands, I'm about as optimistic about her upcoming series as I am about her presidential bid. It's not that I don't have faith in Roseanne: on the contrary, I place most if not all of my faith in Roseanne. She is the closest thing I have to a deity. Are you there, Roseanne? It's me, Louis.

But I've been let down by comebacks in the past: Hot in Cleveland was supposed to be the new Golden Girls. Happily Divorced should have filled the void The Nanny left in my heart. Both were, in my mind, tremendous disappointments. And as the saying goes -- fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on TV.

To be fair, neither Hot in Cleveland nor Happily Divorced were actual reboots of the quality series I'm referring to. But the association is there, like it or not -- and I'd argue that TV Land likes it a whole bunch. The major selling point of these new shows is that they harken back to 80s and 90s sitcoms. Those who tune into Hot in Cleveland do so for the actors involved, all of whom made their marks in shows of TV past. For me, it was Betty White: as a lifelong devotee of The Golden Girls, I just wanted to see her on a series again. And Happily Divorced, conceived by and starring Fran Drescher, appealed to my unironic love of The Nanny.

Perhaps it's my fault for expecting the same kind of series, but when the nostalgia factor is so high, I can't be expected to ignore the associations. What's interesting is that nostalgia usually suggests desire for a simpler time. In fact, the older shows I esteem (The Golden Girls and, to a slightly lesser extent, The Nanny) are far more complicated than the current iterations. Hot in Cleveland and Happily Divorced may bill themselves as contemporary projects featuring classic sitcom actors, but they're actually watered-down versions of their predecessors.

Don't believe me? Watch a few reruns of The Golden Girls or The Nanny. These are quality shows that still hold up. They are timely, raunchy, and hilarious -- I'm far more likely to laugh out loud at either of those than at most current sitcoms. (A few notable exceptions: Parks and Recreation, Louie, Modern Family. I'm confident all of these will hold up 20 years down the line.) Are 80s series dated? Of course. But the social commentary is so rich, the jokes so biting, that you don't mind references that are now irrelevant. The Golden Girls in particular covered diverse and controversial topics ranging from immigration and the nuclear arms race to dementia and prescription pill addiction. Not exactly light fare. And both The Golden Girls and The Nanny featured queer characters and subplots before that was a hip thing to do.

Of course, neither series ever hit the heights of Roseanne, which I consider to be the greatest sitcom of all time. (Feel free to argue me on this. Fair warning: I won't budge.) Roseanne was edgy and endlessly subversive, largely a credit to Roseanne herself. It's not just the fact that the series featured so many groundbreaking plotlines and TV firsts (remember Roseanne's same-sex kiss?) -- it's the unapologetic attitude that lasted throughout its run. These were complicated, flawed characters. Their relationships were real. Their problems were larger than what can be solved in 22 minutes. I could go on and on -- and perhaps I will in an even longer Roseanne-centric post -- but you get the idea. And if you don't, it's all on DVD. Watch the series, and then we'll talk.

I have no doubt that Roseanne could produce another great series, but I am skeptical when it comes to the current state of television. There are a few solid comedies on television, but there are an awful lot of duds, too. Can a new Roseanne show meet my (perhaps unfairly) high expectations, or is it doomed to follow the less-than-stellar paths of Hot in Cleveland and Happily Divorced?

I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but can you blame me for my reservations? I refuse to get my hopes up again, not when so many exceptional comedic voices have been diluted to fit into a climate of weak misogynist humor and dick jokes. While I don't think Roseanne would stand for that, I'm not sure any network would be willing to fully embrace Roseanne's vision.

Perhaps FX, which airs Louis C.K.'s outstanding series. The most recent episode of Louie showed us what a sanitized, mainstream version of his show might look like, and the results weren't pretty. May that be a lesson to anyone who has similar plans for the almighty Roseanne. Amen.

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I want to be excited about a new blue-collar sitcom starring Roseanne. But as it stands, I'm about as optimistic about her upcoming series as I am about her presidential bid. It's not that I don't hav...
I want to be excited about a new blue-collar sitcom starring Roseanne. But as it stands, I'm about as optimistic about her upcoming series as I am about her presidential bid. It's not that I don't hav...
 
 
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libnlandofthelost
Mrs. Curmudgeon
03:09 AM on 08/16/2011
I loved the Roseanne episode where the guy dies at their breakfast table, Dan tries to get his wallet out of his pants pocket with tongs so he doesn't have to touch him.
I try to narrow down my favorites, and just can't.
There were ground breakers from the 70s like All in the Family, Maude, Mash, Mork and Mindy, The Bob Newhart Show, Barney MIller, and Mary Tyler Moore that were great shows that pushed the envelope in one way or another. .
Then the 80s brought shows like Murphy Brown, Designing Women, and The Bill Cosby show. Cheers, and Roseanne.
The Nanny and Golden Girls were great 90s shows, along with Seinfeld and Frazier, and Spin City, The last 10 years has brought even better shows like Sex and the City, The Office, Parks and Recreation..
I'd like to get CDs of all my favorite episodes and lock my self in my house and watch them and laugh until my sides hurt., And eat some fabulous chocolate. That sounds marvelously self indulgent to me.
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rabb046
01:57 AM on 08/16/2011
Way to critique a show before it airs.

While Roseanne was a great show, have you ever heard of All in the Family?
You might wanna check it out.
It was pretty good, too.
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shthar
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09:32 PM on 08/15/2011
I'd recommend brit shows these days.
05:58 AM on 08/14/2011
Roseanne, I love you! People seem to forget that a tv show with people from the working class, with a LITTLE meat on their bones was unheard of. 90210, Melrose Place.... You were like a breath of fresh air...
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gayleg
10:36 AM on 08/13/2011
Love the picture!
08:14 PM on 08/12/2011
The show "Roseanne," is my all-time favorite sitcom.

This new deal, the reality show.....pretty bad. I still really like the lady though.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
06:16 PM on 08/12/2011
This woman's fifteen minutes were up a long, long time ago.
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rabb046
01:55 AM on 08/16/2011
We're still waiting for your fifteen minutes.
Keep us posted, OK?
pavementends42
Micro-bio is a study, not a blurb.
02:55 PM on 08/12/2011
I love Roseanne. As long as she gets to talk freely, I'm in.
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msperry1123
02:07 PM on 08/12/2011
I share your Roseanne love/obsession, and I am optimistic about the new show. As long as Roseanne has control of the writing and casting, it'll be great. And I can't imagine she'll sign up for anything where she doesn't have complete control.
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gayleg
10:38 AM on 08/13/2011
Me too. I'm glad she's back and hope the show is a success. Roseanne is one of the last sitcoms I watched regularly.
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Dan Same
10:57 AM on 08/12/2011
Roseanne was great, however IMO the greatest sitcom of all time was Frasier. Brilliantly performed, consistently hilarious, sophisticated, it explored multiple serious issues in a fascinating way, and was capable of more brilliance than most other sitcoms.

BTW, I love the Golden Girls, and I was recently rewatching The Nanny on youtube. What I noticed was how Jewish it is. It may very be the most Jewish American sitcom in years. Fascinating.
03:20 PM on 08/12/2011
I agree, Frasier was the best....oh how I loved Niles.
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Dan Same
10:46 PM on 08/12/2011
Niles was magnificent! :D David Hyde-Pierce really brought this amazing character alive. His 'Hit the Couch' song was also terrific.
08:16 PM on 08/12/2011
Frasier was really good, but "sophisticated"???

The story lines were ridiculous, and anything but sophisticated. Scripts were a little bit of precocious termininology doesn't make the show sophisticated. It was as dumb as the rest of the sitcoms.
jusathot
Nice seeing ya
10:18 PM on 08/15/2011
You're kidding, right?
08:33 AM on 08/12/2011
I did eventually get around to seeing 1-1/2 episodes of Hot in Cleveland, and still can't understand why there was any public enthusiasm for that. Admittedly, I didn't grow up watching 80s sitcoms, but even so, it's just not very funny or amusing.

And I wasn't able to get through even one whole episode of Happily Divorced. No complaints about the performers, it's just such weak, hobbled comedy.

That said, both Hot in Cleveland and Happily Divorced are demon-spawn of networks and studios. There would seem to be a good chance that any new series from Roseanne Barr is likely to originate with her and be crafted by her. Call that a good thing, call that a bad thing, at least it is unlikely to be a standard-issue, general purpose American sitcom.
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:16 AM on 08/12/2011
Don't get me wrong...I'm a Roseanne fan...but I beg to differ.

All In The Family was the greatest sitcom of all time.

As far as virtually everything goes...groundbreakiness included...the best sitcom of all time.
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Coffee4Me
To those who waited 6 hrs to vote, THANK YOU!
02:46 AM on 08/12/2011
I am a total nerd for the original Roseanne show down to pre-ordering the DVD's in order to receive the Roseanne Domestic Goddess oven mitt. I have longed for a Very Connor Christmas special ala' the Brady's, but in the finale, Dan was dead. Jackie is now feeding the children, and Mark committed suicide. I just don't know if I am ready to move on to her new TV family.
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canadagirl76
A mind is like a parachute, they work best open.
12:05 AM on 08/12/2011
I loved (and still do love) Rosanne. Thanks for rekindling the romance!
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liberalsrheros
GOP's voter suppression, an insult to veterans.
08:27 PM on 08/11/2011
her voice is desperately needed, no reason to think she has lost her convictions. it is likely she has matured and will handle the production and back of camera stuff alot better than she did 20 years ago. might be a good idea to relax till there is something to actually review.