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Counting to Five for S.B. 1070

Posted: 04/26/2012 10:00 am

It will take five votes on the Supreme Court for Arizona to get permission to start enforcing key parts of its tough new immigration control law -- S.B. 1070 -- and those votes appeared to be within reach on Wednesday. In an 80-minute hearing, the Court got strong assurances from Arizona's lawyer that the law would not be enforced in an abusive way, and the Justices could not find fault with that promise.

The judicial arithmetic is important in this case, because only eight Justices will be taking part in deciding it, and that always raises the prospect of a 4-4 split. But if the Court does divide that way in the case of Arizona v. U.S., Arizona loses. That's because an even split will uphold a federal appeals court ruling forbidding Arizona to enforce the most controversial parts of S.B. 1070. (Justice Elena Kagan is not taking part, probably because of her former role in the Obama Administration Justice Department.)

Sometimes in hearings before the Supreme Court, atmospherics can tell a lot about how the two competing sides are faring. On Wednesday, it was apparent that Arizona had found some sympathy for its claim that it had to protect itself from illegal immigrants, and that the federal government had overstated its protest that Arizona would disrupt government immigration policy.

Perhaps much could change as the Justices, over perhaps the next eight weeks, ponder just how to rule on S.B. 1070, and appearances from Wednesday might prove to have been misleading. In the meantime, though, as the nation awaits the actual outcome, the narrative will spread that states are likely to gain significant new authority to deal with a problem that has escaped the federal government's management for generations.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, so often the holder of the decisive vote when the Court is divided, seemed to give impetus to that narrative in the hearing on the case.

He suggested to the government's attorney, Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr., to proceed on two assumptions. First, that the federal government did not have the resources to fully enforce immigration restrictions, and, second, that Arizona was experiencing "social disruption" and "economic disruption" from illegal immigration. Given that, Kennedy asked, why would the state not be entitled to ask its legislature to take some action?

Verrilli responded that, in doing so, a state had to confine its response to cooperating with the federal government in the way that federal officials, who have primary authority, wanted. What Arizona had done, instead, Verrilli argued, was to opt for a program of "mass incarceration," putting many illegal immigrants in jail or prison instead of following the more balanced approach the federal government preferred.

But that argument about a supposed refusal of Arizona to cooperate properly was dismissed by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, whose vote the federal government surely would need to prevail. She told the Solicitor General that his line of argument was "not selling very well; why don't you try to come up with something else?"

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and Justice Antonin Scalia took turns trying to dismantle the federal government challenge, provision by provision. And Scalia went so far -- in a comment that no other Justice openly supported -- as to argue that a state like Arizona could simply shut its own borders so that no illegal immigrant ever entered.

If the Chief Justice, Scalia, and Kennedy were on Arizona's side, as seemed evident, then the state would need only two more. Justice Clarence Thomas' vote for Arizona is almost assured, because he is hostile to the kind of technical legal argument that Verrilli made about federal vs. state power.

That would leave Arizona needing one vote from one of the other four -- Justice Sotomayor, and Justices Samuel A. Alito Jr., Stephen G. Breyer, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. If Wednesday's hearing could be trusted as a sign of the Court's leanings, that fifth vote, and perhaps more, might well be forthcoming when the decision finally emerges.

Under the Court's normal operations, there is no specific timetable for the ruling. When the Justices assemble in private on Friday morning, they will cast a preliminary vote on the case, and that will be the basis for an assignment of a Justice to begin drafting an opinion. It seems likely that the final ruling will not emerge until late June -- no doubt, placing it in the midst of the federal election campaign already in progress.

Lyle Denniston is the National Constitution Center's Adviser on Constitutional Literacy. He has reported on the Supreme Court for 54 years, currently covering it for SCOTUSblog, an online clearinghouse of information about the Supreme Court's work.

 

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It will take five votes on the Supreme Court for Arizona to get permission to start enforcing key parts of its tough new immigration control law -- S.B. 1070 -- and those votes appeared to be within ...
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06:10 PM on 05/01/2012
"tough new immigration control law"

What's so tough about it? The other Arizona immigration laws are arguably much tougher. All this one does is offer up illegal aliens to the federal government who are going to throw most of them back anyway.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
09:20 AM on 04/27/2012
Arizona's SB1070 follows federal laws. If they catch a bunch of criminals, that just means they are tagged for the Federal government to deal with at their leisure. The federal government may well lose this case, but there are others coming against the new law. Foreign countries are suing on various grounds including racism, which they really can't support.
Is it possible that Obama knew he couldn't win this but is just using it as a holding tactic? The timing is just right. The SCOTUS decision will hit right when the election is getting to full steam. Either way he gets the Hispanic vote he craved. If Arizona wins he can say "I tried to stop them but the Republicans were too strong!"
If the DOJ wins, he can claim that it was because of his efforts the "terrible law" was stopped and the Republicans look bad.
Where is the downside for Obama and his crew either way it goes? He won't be able to pass Immigration Reform, either but he will get credit for the effort. If put in it's actual term, it appears that Mr. President is not really doing much for Latinos but stringing them along. He keeps heroically trying but without success. It begins to resemble professional wrestling...rigged from the very start.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
12:01 AM on 04/27/2012
The Federal government doesn't really have much of a case against Arizona. They really can't stop the law and they know it. That was never the idea. What they wanted to do is slow it down, perhaps until the 2012 election. But this "almost" will hurt them more than if they hadn't tried.
As for "Profiling", that was not part of the US case against SB1070. There is nothing to indicate a specific race or even nationality in it. That charge is coming directly from the Mexican government office of propaganda. They are also trying to resurrect racial discrimination because in fact, they can't provide any coherent reasons for their people to be allowed to colonize the US.
The "racist" meme is invalid but as a separate holding action Latin governments are filing lawsuits based on it. There will be more lawsuits by foreign countries and their representatives to try to prevent enforcement. More may yet go to the SCOTUS.
The justices seem to believe in US sovereignty and not disposed to listen to complaints from nations that would tell the US what laws we can have. It's anyone's bet where they will come down but odds put it for Arizona.
05:26 PM on 04/26/2012
The same people defending illegal exploitation labor are also supporting normalized trade with slave labor communist China, H-1b work visas, NAFTA, and corporate bailouts.

Its all about privatizing profits and socializing risks. Trickle down all the way.
03:56 PM on 04/26/2012
If your goal is to crush US workers with a flood of imported labor then yes, support the progressives and Democrats who hate US workers.
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tomdavis
01:47 PM on 04/26/2012
This is really very simple. The Supremes will uphold those parts of the Arizona law that are consistent with federal laws and statutes (e.g., checking legal status of those stopped during a legitimate arrest, detention or traffic stop); and will disallow those parts that are not consistent with the feds (e.g., charging illegals with crimes that are not on the federal books). That's the way it's going to happen. There's no mystery here.
whochi
Liberals think 2 + 2 = Bush
03:33 PM on 04/26/2012
Well reasoned, well said. I think you may have nailed it.
12:20 PM on 04/26/2012
It's a sad and scary day in America when hate laws make it all the way to the Supreme Court.
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chadizzy
03:42 PM on 04/26/2012
Tell me what is hateful about SB1070? Is the fact that people who broke the law will be held accountable?
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Snake1994
Snakebite!
03:47 PM on 04/26/2012
The law is the law is the law Dude!
12:08 PM on 04/26/2012
This law does nothing more than inform the the feds that a federal law has been broken. As Sotomeyer has said the feds could just let them go if they decide to. Racial profiling is not even a part of the governments case against it. The law will be upheld by a majority because the government has no case when this law mirrors theirs and the ultimate decision whether to detain or deport a person is still under the juristiction of the feds.
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11:22 AM on 04/26/2012
Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. has done such a poor job presenting this cause to the court, just like he poorly defended the Affordable Health Care Act. It almost gives on the impression that the plan is to loose these two trials because they would provide a better platform to campaign on.
04:52 PM on 04/26/2012
I almost feel sorry for him. You can't defend the indefensible. Obama has spit on the Constitution and it's on display for the whole country to see. Then, he asks this guy to go out and convince the world that he isn't spitting on it.

It's a no-win situation.
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PhxJustice
I am so far left, I am always right!
10:33 AM on 04/26/2012
Even I have a difficult time believing that Justice Scalia would twist himself in knots to give Arizona the green light to enforce SB1070. I think this is going to be a 7-1 decision against Arizona, with a concurring opinion written by Justice Scalia.
11:45 AM on 04/26/2012
Wow, are you the optimist. Well, at least when the court rules in favor of Arizona and the Republicans, it will damage them so badly with Hispanics that a Rubio vice presidency will make no impact at all on Republican chances for the Presidency.
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PhxJustice
I am so far left, I am always right!
03:09 PM on 04/26/2012
If you think Senator Rubio will ever help Republicans with Hispanics then I have some ocean front property in Maricopa County to sell you.

I have to hope that even conservatives on the Supreme Court understand the can of worms they open up by ignoring the Constitution and allowing the individual states to come up with their own immigration policies. Its scant hope, but it is hope none-the-less.
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chadizzy
03:43 PM on 04/26/2012
Most hispanics are against illegal immigration. DUH!
06:41 PM on 04/26/2012
You obviously haven't read the briefs or listened to the oral argument. It is much more likely to go 7-1 the other way because the Feds preemption argument is very weak. The Feds can't point to any Federal law that contradicts the Arizona law... Their only argument is that Obama doesn't want to enforce certain federal immigration laws so Arizona enforcing them would force him to change priorities, but without some kind of clash between state and federal law, preemption doesn't seem to apply...
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PhxJustice
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09:37 PM on 04/26/2012
The Constitution is pretty clear: The states have no authority to enact immigration policies. Period. What part of that don't you understand?
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SonicUltimate
10:20 AM on 04/26/2012
I say let them enforce it, and deal with the inevitable ramifications of their law enforcement agencies getting sued from both sides: Citizens contending law enforcement isn't doing their job and legal immigrants/citizens that were falsely searched/arrested.

The court costs alone to the state will make the Constitutionality of the law a fairly moot point in the end.  Let alone the mass exodus of potential tax revenues.
05:21 PM on 04/26/2012
If more people is great for "tax revenue" then explain why India with a billion people suffers from crushing poverty?!
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SonicUltimate
05:41 PM on 04/26/2012
For the same reasons poverty levels are going up here in the states: Lopsided income and wealth distributions.  Admittedly, it is worse in India by the virtue of having a class system as part of their society for generations.