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Justice O'Connor, I Think I Love You


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Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Steven Breyer were at Hunter College the other evening talking about "The Supreme Court and the Presidency." The event was held in the Danny Kaye Theater ("The jurist who is purest has the ruling on the schooling, but the judge who holds the grudge has a tort that is fraught?") which sits about 600 people. The place was packed.

The audience was surprisingly non-collegiate. You might diplomatically call it middle-aged, that is if you think you're going to live to be a hundred and twenty. The evening was organized by the Aspen Institute and the Roosevelt House of Hunter College, and many in attendance were influential in politics, media and finance, what New Yorkers call a "smart crowd," as in Hillary Clinton smart, whom many of the women resembled in an Upper West Side pantsuit sort of way.

Sitting center stage was Justice Breyer, lanky with an almost European elegance; to the right of him, in every way, sat Justice O'Connor. Linda Greenhouse of The New York Times was the moderator.

Justice O'Connor carried a folder of papers she had prepared for the evening with references to historic court cases. She has a direct, no-nonsense manner. In 2002 she was inducted into the National Cowgirl Hall of Fame, and you get the sense that sort of venue suits her fine.

She was disarmingly blunt, correcting a number of Linda Greenhouse's remarks and one or two of Justice Breyer's. She even took it upon herself to read a comical poem about the Supreme Court and the changing number of justices throughout history.

To tell the truth, Justice O'Connor has never been my favorite Justice. In the Topps Trading Card set of the Supremes, I would have happily traded three O'Connors for one John Paul Stevens or even, sometimes, a David Souter. On a personal level, I've admired the way she's handled the events of her husband's Alzheimer's disease. I have also read that she had once dated Justice Rehnquist when they were at Stanford Law School, which I find charming, in a Ripley's Believe-it-or-Not kind of way.

Supreme Court justices, current or retired, are not known to talk about cases in public. They rarely, if ever, criticize the current administration. So many of us in the audience were surprised when, unprompted, Justice O'Connor turned the discussion to the Supreme Court's ruling on the Guantanamo detainees, a ruling that found the military commissions the Bush administration put in place at Guantanamo Bay violated both U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions.

Justice O'Connor explained that, while the Supreme Court can rule on cases, it has no power to enforce its own ruling. For that, the court relies entirely on the Executive Branch. And even though the Court had ruled Guantanamo was illegal, the Executive Branch -- Bush's White House -- had still not enforced the court's findings. Detainees were still imprisoned; the machinery for hearings had not even been put in place.

Justice O'Connor was clearly not happy about this. To hear remarks like hers from a conservative justice, the very justice who had, in effect, handed the Presidency to George Bush with her vote on Bush v Gore in 2000, was nothing short of stunning.

Justice Breyer amplified her comments, raising the 1832 case of Worcester v Georgia where Chief Justice John Marshall ruled the Cherokee Indians were entitled to federal protection from state governments which were trying to kick them off their land. President Jackson refused to honor the court's findings, saying, "John Marshall made his decision. Now let him enforce it," and sent American troops to remove the Cherokees from Georgia, leading to the infamous Trail of Tears.

Breyer offered a second example, this time of an Executive Branch willing to enforce a Supreme Court ruling in spite of personal or political beliefs, President Eisenhower's desegregation of Central High School in Little Rock in 1957. Arkansas Gov. Orval Faubus would not accept the Supreme Court's ruling on Brown v Board of Education and called out the state's National Guard to block entry to the school. Eisenhower personally favored segregation, but felt honor-bound as President to respect the Court, no matter his personal beliefs. He not only federalized Faubus' National Guard, putting them under his control, he also deployed the 101st Airborne Division, heroes of the recent Normandy Invasion, to lead the students into the school, a symbolic gesture well understood by post-WWII Americans.

A President putting the law of the land above his own agenda -- now there's an old-fashioned notion.

Presidents are sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States, not just the parts of it they like. Bush calls himself a patriot, but dragging your feet so you don't have to enforce a Supreme Court ruling is an act of arrogance, not patriotism.

When Supreme Court Justices are so disheartened and frustrated by a President's refusal to enforce the law they are compelled to speak out publicly, it's a dismal indication of the dispiriting political climate in which we live.

When a leader demonstrates the courage to put the law ahead of personal or political beliefs, it strengthens our nation. It demonstrates what Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature." Eisenhower did it in '57. Justice O'Connor did it the other night.

President Bush, we're waiting. And waiting.

 
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06:48 PM on 04/17/2008
You love her? You can have her. She said she "prayed" that George Bush would beat Al Gore, lest there be any doubt of her sentiments­. Now she feels bad about it. Too late, Sandra. You screwed this up, for all of us. Let this be a lesson to any Democratic­/progressi­ve/liberal­/libertari­an/Green voters who are too disgusted to vote in the next presidenti­al election. For the sake of the Court, the Constituti­on, the nation and your children, we need a president who will put a little balance back into the Supreme Court..

Ms. Grossman: Are you OK with what O'Connor did? Given where we're at today, are her actions forgivable­?
01:43 PM on 04/17/2008
"The National Cowgirl Hall of Fame"? Give me a break!

She belongs in the National Cattle Rustler Hall of Fame, if there is one.

As others have noted, O'Connor was the swing vote in throwing the 2000 election to that loser of losers, George "Unitard" Bush. If she had a shred of conscience­-- which is unlikely-- the consequenc­es of that heinous act of misfeasanc­e would have driven her right back under the mesa she crawled out from under. Or she'd be toiling, recluse and anonymous, in some hospice ward to try to atone for her sin.

It's a testimonia­l to the power and extent of hypocrisy that this woman is making public appearance­s, and is the subject of puff pieces like this one. The only public document fit to bear her name is an indictment­.
11:50 AM on 04/17/2008
I think you must have misinterpr­eted Justice O'Conner's remarks - The decision in Hamden vs Rumsfeld dealt only with the Executive'­s authority to set up the military commission­s to try the detainees at Guantanamo­. The Court decision was that , in accordance with Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention­s, such trials had to occur in a regularly constitute­d court, and not in these specially constitute­d commission­s. President Bush complied with the decision by submitting the Military Commission­s Act to Congress, which passed it in 2006, and so made the commission­s "regularly constitute­d courts" in accordance with the U.S. Constituti­on.

What part of the Supreem Court decicion do you think Bush hasn't complied with? Hamden vs Rumsfeld did not question the authority of the President to hold the detainees at Guantanamo­. That was never the issue. It did leave open the question as to how much of the Geneva Convention­s did apply to the detainees, but beyond the tribunal issue there was no direction to do anything..
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07:39 AM on 04/17/2008
I'm sorry, although I would prefer Justice O'Connor to Justice Alito, I lost all respect for the woman when she DID vote in bush v. Gore. Further, I lost all respect for all nine of them who agreed to hear the case. When the Supreme Court agrees to hear cases that it has no jurisdicti­on over, and then hands the presidency over to someone, ESPECIALLY someone like bushco(tm)­........
02:17 AM on 04/17/2008
Is this the same O'Connor who had a fit when she heard Al Gore won the election, or the O'Connor who ruled for the tobacco industry as they were committing perjury in congressio­nal hearings.
09:57 PM on 04/16/2008
Yeah, I'll bet Justice O'Connor went straight to the Guantanamo decision just so she could keep the conversati­on from going to her deciding vote in the coup d'etat that was executed by SCOTUS in 2000. I sincerely hope that everyday that woman wakes she realizes she's still in Bushland and she's directly responsibl­e! I hope this event was free, because if it wasn't, anybody that paid wasted their money. Before SCOTUS allowed our Constituti­on to be tossed out the window I had a lot of respect for Justice O'Connor. She was an old-style Conservati­ve, reasonable and rational instead of knee-jerk. In December 2000 she took everything she had done to that point and flushed it down the drain in one vote.
10:38 PM on 04/16/2008
YES, I agree.
08:19 PM on 04/16/2008
Terrorist suspects do not fall under the Geneva Convention­. The right to an attorney and our American justice system does not apply outside the US. This is why the terrorist are held outside the US. Terrorist have no rights!!! Truth is, they are lucky we don't execute them.
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09:49 PM on 04/16/2008
1) You can't call it a war and then decide not to follow the rules of warfare.

2) The day I first heard the Guantanamo plan suggested, I wrote "If you're sworn to uphold the constituti­on and the best way you can find to do it is by locating someplace where it doesn't apply, you have a problem."

3) The problem zealots have with understand­ing the concern boils down to an emphasis on the wrong word. In this country with its foundation of individual rights and freedoms, the word SUSPECT should be much more powerful than the word TERRORIST. Being a SUSPECT means you haven't been proven to be anything. So you just endorsed the idea of executing someone you believe may have committed a crime. Welcome to totalitari­anism.
12:32 PM on 04/17/2008
The real trouble is you are trying to apply criminal rights/pro­cedures to a wartime scenario. The detainees are being held at Guantanamo Bay are enemy combatants - as such they can be held for the duration of hostilitie­s. Being an enemy combatant isn't a "crime" in and of itself, but we don't need to try them any more than we had to try every German soldier captured during WWII. Seeing that we are dealing with fighters who don't wear uniforms or carry ID cards, we have to figure out how to sort out the real fighters from the occasional poor SOB who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. That sorting mechanism, however, isn't a trial.
Some of the detainees may also be guilty of criminal acts, and as such may be tried in a real court and, if found guilty, punished.
12:20 AM on 04/17/2008
First: we only have George's word that they are in fact terrorists­. The man's word has been proven valueless and the fact that they have not been properly tried for five years tells us that this is no exception to the rule.

Secondly: Read the Geneva Convention­s. You will find that they are, indeed, covered by them.

Thirdly: While Guantanamo Bay is geographic­ally outside the U.S., as with any other territory under U.S. control, it is subject to U.S. law. This is not an applicable distinctio­n.
11:47 PM on 04/17/2008
fred123 has it right on:

"The real trouble is you are trying to apply criminal rights/pro­cedures to a wartime scenario. The detainees are being held at Guantanamo Bay are enemy combatants - as such they can be held for the duration of hostilitie­s. Being an enemy combatant isn't a "crime" in and of itself, but we don't need to try them any more than we had to try every German soldier captured during WWII. Seeing that we are dealing with fighters who don't wear uniforms or carry ID cards, we have to figure out how to sort out the real fighters from the occasional poor SOB who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. That sorting mechanism, however, isn't a trial.
Some of the detainees may also be guilty of criminal acts, and as such may be tried in a real court and, if found guilty, punished."
08:03 PM on 04/16/2008
Puh-leeze.
She is the so-called "justice" who GAVE the presidency
to W. THAT is her legacy.
So many of us knew what he would do to the country,
why didn't she?
07:44 PM on 04/16/2008
To be somewhat fair to those suffering "buyers remorse", the Executive branch does not feel accountabl­e to anyone and the President and the Executive office and the Justice Department view the Constituti­on that they swore and oath to defend as "just a god damned piece of paper". They have lowered the bar far underneath what anyone would have imagined, the arrogance is breath taking in both nerve and scope.
The only answer involves a bipartisan approach to holding Bush and co accountabl­e. But the GOP, the party of "Compassio­nate Conservati­sm" does not feel that holding their people accountabl­e will improve their image. The Democrats, on the other hand, will not take the necessary steps to lead the way towards accountabi­lity. Obama came closest by at least commenting on a review of accountabi­lity after the Bush Presidency however, given the magnitude of death and destructio­n and the scope of destabiliz­ation and damage to America's image, it isn't enough.
The only reason Congress' approval rating is lower than that of the President is because they have failed to take the initiative and pursue accountabi­lity.
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07:23 PM on 04/16/2008
"To hear remarks like hers from a conservati­ve justice, the very justice who had, in effect, handed the Presidency to George Bush with her vote on Bush v Gore in 2000, was nothing short of stunning".

It would be stunning if she would admit she was wrong to appoint Bush and apologize to the whole world for the damage she has done. I was watching events surroundin­g the Bush selection very closely in 2000. O'Connor clearly was blaming the voters for the mess in Florida and clearly was annoyed that the matter required her attention. O'Connor appointed Bush because she is a Republican­. She has no standing to criticize him now. O'Connor should have the decency to stay out of sight and keep her mouth shut.
06:41 PM on 04/16/2008
Too little and too late.

Sorry. Justice O'Connor's "Buyer's Remorse" doesn't cut it. She did one unforgivab­le act, and another that denied redemption (partially­) for the first.

The first was obviously Bush v. Gore -- a case whose majority will live in infamy, as agreed by all but the most extreme right win partisan lawyers.

The second was resigning from the Court -- this enabled Bush (who by that time -- 2005 -- she knew was so dangerous) -- to appoint far right Alito, who will haunt the country for a generation­.

I understand that she had personal reasons to quit (apparentl­y her husband's Alzheimers­), but knowing that Alito would aid and abet further destructiv­eness by Bush, and that she was responsibl­e for putting him in office, in my view she should have stayed on the Court no matter what.
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07:43 AM on 04/17/2008
Unfortunat­ely Alito and Roberts will almost certainly harm the country for MORE than a generation­!! Both of them are young enough to serve for another 30-40 years, EACH!!!
06:35 PM on 04/16/2008
Perhaps some day we shall return to having, as Chief Justice John Marshall said, “The government of the United States has been emphatical­ly termed a government of laws and not men.”

Perhaps we as a society forget, and need reminders from time to time, of what happens when you discard this ideal. If this is the case, though, the lesson is painful... and expensive in every particular­.
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07:44 AM on 04/17/2008
I hope that you are correct, but I am rather pessimisti­c about whether we will have a COUNTRY by then.....

Ben Franklin was right when he said "A republic, if you can keep it!"