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Why So Many Men Never See Their Divorce Coming

Posted: 02/ 2/11 10:53 AM ET

I first heard it from attorneys who typically represent men in a divorce. I then began to see it in the cases that came before me. I remember the attorney who first mentioned it to me some ten years ago, he leaned back in his chair at a conference on divorce and said, "It never ceases to amaze me how many men come to me with their jaws on the floor saying they never saw it coming."

Now, I am witnessing it in my own social circles. All around me long-term marriages are coming to an end. And as the studies show many of those jumping ship are women.

Not only am I seeing a rash of fleeing women all around me, I also see what I first ascertained years ago: That a fairly significant number of men--especially in longer term marriages--never saw their divorces coming. There was, they say, no warning, no build up, no escalating tensions, just an unexpected, non-negotiable and seemingly unprovoked decision to leave.

Of course, this is not the norm. Most marriages careen into a ditch after traversing a noticeably bumpy road. Likewise, there are women who are surprised when their husbands decide to leave, but what I am talking about here is that not-so-small group of guys who are caught flat footed by their wives sudden and seemingly unexplained departure.

As with everything involved with the human condition, there is no one reason for any trend. But after having witnessed it from the bench and in my own backyard and from reading what I can, I do see one common mistake both men and women are making that seems to rear its head in a number of these unexpected abandonment cases. I mention it here because I think it ends some very salvageable marriages.

I call it "The False Okay." I think a lot of women tell the very same lie for years on end. They say "okay" when they don't mean it. They tell their husbands, "everything's fine," even when it's not. "Keeping the peace" is what they call it. They are, they tell me, getting through the day. It is all about the argument they simply do not want to have.

I think there is a whole group of women out there who don't do well with conflict. They are the ones with a happy husband because he always gets what he wants and she doesn't seem to mind. But what he doesn't see are all of the collected hurts stored up in her emotional closet. Not because she doesn't ever get what she wants but because that lopsided equation makes her feel unloved.

The next thing you know, the kids are gone, as is her best reason to put up with it. The sad thing is he doesn't know there is a problem and she doesn't know how to change the script. "This is who he is," she thinks, "a guy who doesn't care at all about my needs and wishes."

I hear it all of the time. She's sick of being the giver. Sick of being unappreciated. It is not a sexy cause, because both parties bear some blame. It is not the only cause. But it is the one I hear most often when there is an unexpected departure by a woman later in the marriage. She thinks getting her needs heard, not to mention met, is a hopeless thing.

So she goes.

Lynn Toler presides over the syndicated court program, "Divorce Court" and the author of My Mother's Rules.

 
 
 
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01:35 PM on 02/28/2011
Yet another guy who was blindsided and yes everything she says is true. I'm sure I didn't listen as much as I should have or make all of her wants and needs a priority in my life, then again, neither did she. So I guess the one thing I do take issue with is that this "explanation" of why it happens so often tends to make sure the blame falls smack dab on men. It doesn't take into account that my ex lied to me and everyone else saying she was happy but as I read it, that was really my fault, because when she complained about things, I tried to reason with her that perhaps her view of things might be wrong once and while or that her expectations were higher than anyone could meet. Now nearly two years later, divorce was good for both of us. We both tried to make something work that wasn't "easy". We both had lessons to learn but in the end I feel like I lost more. Both financially and emotionally because I was blindsided and took all the blame. After 19 years, I deserved at least a conversation and some respect and appreciation for the good I brought to her life too.
06:07 PM on 02/28/2011
BTW - In my case as in many I see like this, there is someone else who they are jumping ship too. In order to not feel guilt about doing something that they used to feel was unacceptable, they have to jump ship, not look back, say it has been going on for ever and blame it on the other person. I realize my ex didn't leave me JUST for the other (married) man, but he was the trigger and also all divorces need a trigger to fire that shot.
sincemydivorce
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10:34 AM on 02/09/2011
I think an element of "not seeing it" is the belief that divorce is simply not an option and as some of the reasons to stay in the marriage fall away, such as children leaving home, divorce actually does become an option.
08:36 PM on 02/06/2011
Here's what I see (as a divorce lawyer in NY). Men and women experience divorce very very differently. Men are willing to tolerate a deteriorating marriage for much longer than women. Even when the relationship has reached the point of no communication, no sex, tension and argument, men will endure it for longer, while women start planning their exit strategy. When their wives state very clearly that they are miserable, that counnseling is needed, that something has to change, men will think that they can "wait the situation out", or that her feelings will change. In the meantime, the woman has reached the emotional point of no return. Once that happens, it is very difficult to turn back.
10:49 PM on 02/04/2011
One more thing I'd like to add is that in reading through these I think that women are often over-confident in their ability to listen and communicate. For instance, my wife has an ongoing drama at work that she talks about nearly every day. I know the entire history, cast of characters and each appalling incident that's taken place.

Recently, after listening and offering a little advice, I asked her if she could name two people that I worked with. She couldn't do it. And I've been there three years now and have often come home with stories and concerns of my own.

That said, through personal experience I'm often very surprised at the power of denial.
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BklynDame
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04:46 PM on 02/04/2011
While there are some men who "don't see it coming", there are probably just as many who don't want to see it coming and are just as likely to think everything is fine because they won't accept anything else.

One of my closest friends is a now divorced man. I've known him for years and see him as a generous, good-hearted guy who just happens to be exceptionally stubborn, unyielding and he hears what he wants to hear. For all of his good qualities, I know him as a man who is quick to tell people what THEY think (or what they should think) and it's rare that he will take people's feelings into consideration when they don't match his own. As a friend, I can walk away and take a break when I'm annoyed but, in all honesty, I couldn't imagine being his wife. When his wife left him, he was stunned and said he didn't see it coming but all of us on the outside knew it was a matter of time that the dismissiveness towards her feelings and opinions, inability to just let her 'be', and his lack of emotional support and air of superiority towards her would take its toll.

He saw what he wanted because it was in his favour. She left because she was alone in their relationship.
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onwisconsin
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12:19 PM on 02/05/2011
I've seen this play out many times as well.

At the same time I believe each partner has a responsibility to communicate his or her needs to the other.

In my first marriage I was a doormat and my ex-husband treated me like one. I was always trying to please him with the hope that someday things would be different. When I finally left, after he had a sexual relationship with a 15 year-old, I was crushed and angry. But eventually I came to take ownership of my own behavior. People treat you the way you allow them to treat you. I don't excuse abusers at all and I don't blame victims. I simply found the strength not to be a victim anymore.

In my current marriage, we are equal partners who care and respect one another. My husband thinks I'm brilliant, talented, and beautiful. I think he's the best man I know, smart, and athletic. His sense of justice is the most well developed I think I've ever known.

One last thing: As I read these comments I see a pattern of people talking negatively about their spouses. In my view that is a form of emotional infidelity. If a husband or wife has something negative to say about his/her spouse, that should only be shared with the spouse. Those vows are supposed to mean something. If I don't have my husband's back, who will? And if he doesn't have mine, who will?
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littlefairy
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12:59 PM on 02/06/2011
Your last point is a good one and well taken. For some of us, it's what we saw modeled growing up. On the one hand, if you have a spouse who actually WILL listen, you don't need to do this at all--except maybe you talk to a close friend, which is not betrayal, IMHO--but if you feel you are not heard and not heard, after a while, your pain gets so loud that you broadcast it about. I am not saying it is "right," I am saying it happens. Live and learn--something we have the opportunity to do through marriage and divorce. What we learn to do better is something we can bring to the next relationship, if we are given the opportunity for one. What we realize was destructive, we hopefully outgrow and give up.

I am often disillusioned by the negative comments on HP articles on divorce (others have mentioned that they find it odd that the thrust is divorce rather than relationship health; I concur) because it's as if the only intelligent response to having had relationship/marital trouble is to avoid ever truly loving and/or committing to someone again. And THAT is wisdom?

Glad to see, onwisconsin, that you are happy in your present marriage. Good for you for recognizing that you were the one who had to take ownership of validating your worth.
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BklynDame
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06:31 PM on 02/06/2011
I'm sorry for what you went through but I simultaneously congratulate you for having the strength to realise your prior situation was not in your best interests. Be well!

You made an interesting point: each partner has a responsibility to communicate his or her needs to the other. I wholeheartedly agree; I find myself annoyed when women friends say about their boyfriends/husbands "Well, if he loved me, he'd know X". Huh? Is he supposed to be a mind-reader? I don't think that's fair (and, personally, I loathe guessing games).

Having said that, in the situation to which I referred, I can honestly say I KNOW she communicated what she felt...unfortunately, my friend (the male) would dismiss her comments and even resort to telling her what SHE thought. He heard -- but was incapable of listening because it didn't suit him. We were all surprised that he was so surprised she left. She was no doormat but she was patient; she wanted the marriage to work (many do when kids are involved) but she decided if she was going to be alone anyway, with no emotional support and/or acknowledgement, she may as well be single. In her shoes, I would have made the same choice.

On your other comment, I agree...SO much negativity! I know of many (myself included) who have ended relationships because of the same thing: if he has a problem with me, I should hear it first.
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littlefairy
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03:30 PM on 02/06/2011
Bklyn Dame, Your insight on your friend's marriage is so true of so many men (and some women who destroy their marriage by, for example, constantly making fun of their husband in front of others or being snippy to him in front of others). Your last two sentences say so much. When I think about being alone now, it's not that I'm all about living alone forever (I would like to have another chance), but at least I am not still in the relationship where I felt horribly alone with someone right next to me.

Would that men who do this to the woman in their life would read this and wake up. That's probably asking too much--especially since it's doubtful they'd be reading about relationships anyway.

Men, when you have a good woman, tell her so--most of us need to be reminded that we find favor in your eyes and heart. It gives energy to our happiness.
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BklynDame
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06:37 PM on 02/06/2011
Littlefairy, I hope you find the relationship you seek! I know exactly what you're talking about in terms of the public display of behaviours that should be kept private or, better yet, not done at all. Having a grown man be 'snippy' towards me in front of his friends shows a complete lack of respect not just for me but for "us" -- and it sets the stage for complete imbalance in the relationship because one sign of disrespect is usually followed by others.

You did yourself a favour by exiting a relationship in which you were alone -- may someone who is deserving of you come your way soon!
01:55 PM on 02/04/2011
As a divorced man who didn't see it coming and counseling with several couples and other men blind-sided by divorce, I can certainly see some validity in what the author writes. I find a complete lack of understanding the ground rules for open and honest communication by both parties is often the biggest culprit. Women are used to the very intuitive nature of communication with their female friends. Men are used to the more direct style men share with each other. Men listen to problems with a focus on solving the issue. Women often just want their men to listen and be supportive of their process. They are not looking for you to solve issues in their own lives. Furthermore, women often tend to run confrontations through their heads and based on what they think the outcome may be, they may or may not share their frustrations. Good couples counseling BEFORE marriage is a great way to get everyone on the same communication page.
12:58 PM on 02/04/2011
As someone 'blindsided' 18 months ago I thought the article was good and the subsequent comments excellent. They have helped me see her side of the dynamic as well as my contribution to the event. We are still playing out if we can recover. Thanks for your help.
08:20 AM on 02/04/2011
As someone who has just been through this, I can vouch for the fact that some of us truly don't see it coming. Feeling it coming is something else, but when you have those feelings, ask about them, and get the false okay, what can you do other than accept what she says? For me, the false okay exists in her reassurances that we were fine coming just a few weeks before her announcement. It exists in my 14 year old daughter looking at the two of us sitting on the couch just a week before the announcement and saying "I'm glad you two like each other." Later, my daughter would say she had thought the marriage was perfect, and while I wouldn't go that far, I would have definitely said better than most. I also got the false okay from my wife's two closest friends. Both were bewildered by the breakup.
When someone chooses to be closed and secretive, there isn't much you can do, especially if you tend to take people at face value and believe what they say. Sometimes there are specific reasons for not being open. My wife was sexually abused as a child and further sexually assaulted as a teenager, and was left deeply scarred. But she lived her life assuring me everything was fine, and I guess I believed her. I realize now that she needs serious help with these issues. Now that she is gone, I hope she will realize it too.
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Lisa Shields
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08:03 AM on 02/04/2011
Let's try this again.
The topic is not "why women are such horrible B*tches...or how they destroy men's lives.
The topic is WHY do men not see divorce coming.

I've observed all sorts of marital relationships in my lifetime...few of them being the deeply devoted, through thick and thin unions that we all hope for. I've witnessed bad behavior from both sides, including substance issues, abuse, but most often, neglect. Marriage is not a silk plant, that you need to occasionally dust off. Like anything valuable in life, it requires care, and participation.

When you are in a relationship long term...and I think 20 years qualifies, you sustain yourself with the idea that if you need something, you actually might be able to get it...in this case, emotional support, or cooperation. But if 20 years has passed and you still find yourself "doing it yourself", you start feeling like a single parent, NOT a partner. When everything you do is now expected, instead of special in any way...you suddenly understand its not going to change...ever. What you have with a spouse is what you will get...period.

The person who is getting what they need never sees it coming...
steveinohio
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05:54 PM on 02/04/2011
I think at least a portion of what you are talking about stems from the fact that men and women have different expectations from a marriage. I think the man is often more satisfied with what he is getting from a marriage because he has a fairly short and simple list of needs. A man who feels that his wife likes him, supports his goals, and is a decent partner in terms of getting life's various "stuff" taken care of probably thinks he has a marriage that's ok or better. I think women have more complicated (not worse, just different) expectations for how a marriage should work for them.
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Lisa Shields
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09:35 AM on 02/07/2011
I guess the problem is the underlying assumption that what men expect of marriage is logical, and reasonable...and what women expect is somehow flaky.

If both expect fidelity, and get it...lovely.
If one kicks the traces, and expects to maintain the relationship...not so much.

I've seen men and women enter into marriage as couples others envied...but end up at odds in unreasonable ways. Expectations on both sides can be illogical...and no one can live up to being someone Else's "everything". People can and do change...not always for the better. It's not comforting when you feel absolutely miserable and alone, and the person you promised your "forever" to, says "tough luck".
11:05 PM on 02/03/2011
Never saw it coming is right....But I have to admit, as a surprised as I was at the time, my ex-wife was right to call it quits. We weren't abusive to another or anything, but it after 11 years of marriage, we both just seemed to be phoning it in. I never in a million years would have thought to end it, but I realize now what a great gift she gave me by walking out the door. I am now engaged to a beautiful, younger woman and you'd better believe that I'll be dialed in to her needs and the needs of a healthy marriage.
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littlefairy
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03:32 PM on 02/06/2011
Does the fact that your fiancee is a "younger" woman have particular meaning to you or something?
09:06 PM on 02/03/2011
The writer of the article was off base with the assertion that "women out there who don't do well with conflict". I completely disagree, most women know how to find support groups and circles immediately before and after a tragedy. They begin exercising and taking better care of themselves during and after a breakup. Most women are more calm and calculating in a crisis.The majority of women don't do well when there isn't drama or conflict.

I have met many woman with the perfect guy at home that cheat constantly. They need the rush, passion and excitement of a new relationship. Many women are married to men that they were not passionate about. He was the guy who asked and made her dream come true of being a bride and a for some a mom. Once that becomes boring its over, women with a since of duty poor there energy into their kids. Children grow up and there is no reason to stay.

These are the marriages that end and the guy has no clue. She was bored. The misconception is that men love the chase, that is small group. Women are addicted to the fantasy of the perfect prince who will sweep them off there feet and meet there every want and desire. Until they get bored or realize he doesn't understand her on a deep enough level.
12:17 AM on 02/04/2011
"The writer of the article was off base with the assertion that "women out there who don't do well with conflict". I completely disagree, most women know how to find support groups and circles immediatel­y before and after a tragedy."

Are you suggesting there are no women out there who don't do well with conflict? She wasn't suggesting that those women are in the majority. She said, "I think there is a whole group of women out there who don't do well with conflict." And there very likely is. That doesn't that those are all, most, or even a large minority of women. Those (most if the women you know, apparently) who do well with conflict are not who she is talking about, and they are certainly a lot more likely to leave their former husbands wondering why they left if they don't say anything due to conflict avoidance.
12:33 AM on 02/04/2011
Clarification on the last sentence in case it was unclear - the "they" I was referring to who are certainly a lot more like to leave, ect., are the poor communicators.
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DrVeronicaEyeMD
06:09 PM on 02/03/2011
Many men believe that if they are paying the bills, providing gifts and vacations at the proper time, not sleeping with other women and not physically abusing you as well as doing a few cursory things for the house and kids that their wife is happy. We women realize that is not true but if our husband is "doing right" in these ways, we feel that we have no right to want something different.

Then one day we cannot stand it any more and we bail out. We usually say something before but men do not get it because they are doing everything to check all the "good husband" boxes. And of course, everyone criticizes our lack of committment which means we just happened to be strong enough to say "no" to more misery.

Marriage is obviously easier for men for some reason. So many men think there is no problem and many of the women I know are not happy. In fact, I have gotten to the point that I think the couple in which both say they really do love each other, and feel fulfilled in the relationship and are staying for reason other than the kids and "vows" seems rare. Most people seem to be just sticking it out for some perceived reward at the end of the day.
I hope those people get the gold medal and into heaven.
03:27 AM on 02/04/2011
I was struck by the accuracy of your comments. I see other women around me experiencing far more unhappy circumstances (alcoholism, STD's, verbal abuse) - and feel I shouldn't complain about my "less dramatic" situation. One thing I could add, is that some men are very aware that they are not nurturing their partner and only doing the basics. They want to look like the unaware victim instead of publicly admitting they felt entitled to do the minimum because they were the good "provider". As in my own situation, I am aware that this is the true nature of my relationship - and am examining how I will move forward from here.
11:29 AM on 02/04/2011
I think men often are in similar circumstances, but they don't contemplate leaving because of the expectation they will loses access to their children.
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Richbruin
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02:36 PM on 02/06/2011
1. Marriage is not easier for men. Ask a few.
2. Some people are not happy, or even content no matter how much is done for them. Maybe you know a few.
3. Sometimes you get what you give.
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Bobzmcishl
05:18 PM on 02/03/2011
No doubt women get the short end of the stick in marriage, especially if the woman is also holding down a job. The division of labor usually favors the man. Woman are certainly better communicators than men. Men friends can go on a walk together and not say much the entire walk, whereas women will be chatting non-stop. I think each partner needs to ensure their own happiness in a marriage relationship and not expect the other partner to supply that. It seems the best relationships are ones where both partners are comfortable being together and being apart. But their is no one size fits all advice that will apply to married couples. Sometimes couples grow out of the relationship and the longer we live the greater the risk that one partner will no longer want to be married. The best solution is to not rush into marriage. Get to know someone really well before legalizing the partnership. One other thing I've noticed is that the irritants of life together are handled better by people who don't expect perfection from the other partner. Life tests all of us and we are better off cutting our spouses some slack on occasion. When I hear the reasons some people get divorced, it all seems so superficial.
08:53 AM on 02/04/2011
I don't agree with the idea that women are the best communicators at all. My ex-wife used to rattle off all of the time, but when it came to actually expressing her feelings and letting me know how she felt about our relationship, she couldn't say zip. That's what led to our eventual divorce, because she held it all in and finally had a meltdown that forced an end to the relationship.

And that's not really the first time I've encountered that. Women are very big into saying one thing while meaning another, that's not what I would call "quality communications" in any manner of the term.

On the other hand, when you're talking about two guys being together and not saying much, it's because men communicate better with one another; they don't have to say much. On more than one occasion, I have worked in a situation where I worked every day-- day-in-day-out --with a certain partner/coworker at a job, and have gotten into a groove with them where we could go all day and never say a word, but we both knew what the other one wanted and needed done.

I'm sure women have experienced the same thing, which goes to prove that there has to be a large degree of friendship/camaraderie to bring about real communication. Loving someone isn't enough, you have to like them too. When that goes, the whole thing comes toppling down.
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MarcEdward
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09:29 AM on 02/04/2011
Woman are certainly better communicat­ors than men. Men friends can go on a walk together and not say much the entire walk, whereas women will be chatting non-stop.
Chatting non-stop doesn't = good communication, let alone "better communication". Monkeys can chatter non stop
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Kelley Smith
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03:10 PM on 02/03/2011
I do not believe that men never see it coming. I have never seen anyone at work, not know they were going to be promoted, demoted, laid-off or fired. It's the same skill set.
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01:55 PM on 02/03/2011
ALso a man can be divorced from you long before he leaves your house, bed, person. He is just waiting on the papers