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DEBATE: Obama Same-Sex Marriage Stance Risks His Chances For Reelection

Posted: 05/10/2012 11:18 am

As we heard yesterday, President Obama affirmed his support for same-sex marriage. The announcement stirred up a whirlwind of opinions, and many HuffPost commenters had opposing views as to how this will affect the upcoming presidential election.

Below are some arguments from HuffPost Pundit users on whether the president's new stance lowers his chances for reelection. Who makes the strongest argument? Place your votes and give us your take in the comments below.

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Uncle Bill

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I hope all of the marriage equality advocates here don't spend too much time celebrating and forget the political cost of this announcement. The President just kissed several swing states goodbye because of this issue and provided the GOP with a wedge issue to divide African Americans and Latinos who were overwhelmingly in his camp before. If you don't work even harder to support the President- by donating to his campaign, defending this policy to your friends and neighbors, working for his campaign and getting out the vote, you will have won this battle only to lose the war against an implacable enemy who opposes even the most basic civil rights in housing and employment for LGBT people, let alone marriage equality.

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dizmo4

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This is what courage looks like.

The President came out in support of gay marriage, a contentious issue that the citizens of North Carolina voted to ban last night. This move probably costs Pres. Obama North Carolina and Indiana. It could very easily cost him VA, FL and Ohio ( which means the election).

I hope that the advocates for marriage equality understand the huge risk this poses to the President. I also hope that they realize that Pres. Obama can support marriage equality all day long, but it means nothing if he loses. A President Romney with a tea party Congress would be the worst possible outcome for marriage equality. Democrats and marriage equality advocates had better work doubly hard on the President's reelection.

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Frankly if you have to make a change in position Obama did it just about perfectly. He started with the core principles that he has always believed in. Then he talked about the experiences and influences he has had with ordinary people who have caused him to reconsider, particularly wrapping those people in unassailable virtues (committed monogamous relationships, raising children, serving our country in the military) and finishing with his decision to change also being wrapped in virtuous motives (fairness, respect).

The thing is that just about every straight person who supports marriage equality has pretty much gone through the same process that Obama has described, once thinking that civil unions would be enough to do the job. So i doubt it has hurt him much with them.

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Proud to see the President stepping up to the plate. There must have been quite a few advisers and strategists in his staff, who were pushing against this bold move.

President Obama will find out that speaking his heart will benefit him in the end. You can't appease everybody, so why even try? Doing the right thing will always pay out. In a country that lives by immortal declaration that all are created equal, gay marriage is a natural law.

Obama's move will also expose the right wingers and the Tea Party, who supposedly support personal freedom and a small government. In reality, they are the ones who are always quick to call for government-action, when it comes to intruding into people's private lives, into their bedrooms, into their relationships, and into women's wombs.

Personal freedom is not limited to the right to bear arms. True freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently (Rosa Luxemburg)

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05:53 PM on 06/02/2012
My wife and I have enjoyed our 55th year of marrage. Our youngest daughter is a lesbian and we are just as proud of her being this way as we would have been if she were anything else.
She is a State Court Officer and can stand up with the best male part in her unit.
When we share targets at the practice range we attend she hits more center points then I do.
Gender means nothing in today's world. Look around and you will see how the world has changed and is embracing every facit of life. May we all open our eyes and see the wonders that are all around. Be proud of who and what we are. You only get one ride through life, so enjoy the trip.
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Jeremy Bursac
You're not the bossa nova me.
03:33 AM on 05/11/2012
The only relevant calculation in this question is whether President Obama's announcement gives fundamentalist Christians sufficient impetus to overlook various reservations they have about Bishop Romney's Mormonism - doesn't believe in the Holy Trinity, etc. - and thus turn out for Bishop Romney in larger numbers than they would have without President Obama's declared support for marriage equality.

I think most of the other electoral cohorts were and are set in their preference for one candidate or the other regardless of any marriage equality announcement, and that the much discussed Independent voters will not be overly swayed by the marriage equality issue. They're all about the economy, I believe.
03:12 AM on 05/11/2012
The only change in voting this will bring is that the ones who were not going to vote for Obama are now going to super-extra-double not-vote for him. Time will tell if this nation will veer even more heavily to the left or whether the American people are ready to bring our nation back toward the center course. I have high hopes that we've run the course for the latest pendulum swing of wingnuttery.
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Transit
"Hunger is the best pickle"
11:05 PM on 05/10/2012
The election isn't going to be about Obama and Romney, Democrat or Republican or even conservative versus liberal. What this shows is a basic difference between a polarized country where one side is afraid of losing something they don't have and the other side wants to give something that's not theirs to give.
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mabinog
My micro-bio is a desolate wasteland
10:59 PM on 05/10/2012
Doesn't any major issue, whether domestic or foreign policy related do the same...............whiskey tango foxtrot
10:45 PM on 05/10/2012
Sure, his decision to come out (if you'll pardon the expression!:) in favor of gay marriage might cost him his reelection, but it was the right thing to do. It showed courage and leadership.
"Obama
He's up for the fight
Obama
He'll do what's right."
These are some of the lyrics to a song I wrote in support of the President. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSZNNWisAk
Hasn't proved me wrong yet.
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MacGregor Thomson
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11:12 AM on 05/11/2012
Nice voice! I emailed the address you have on file. If you didn't get it would love to hear from you at community.manager@huffingtonpost.com
07:25 PM on 05/10/2012
This is a non issue. Most Hispanics support same sex marriage and no AA is going to vote for Romney over this issue. My guess is this is more important to pundits than most voters, if the economy is better no one will care who sleeps with who.
Sergeant
Dress Right
09:04 PM on 05/10/2012
If the economy is better. That is what Romney said.
06:32 PM on 05/10/2012
The president may lose some votes, but I think mostly the homophobes and bigots who are upset by this wouldn't have voted for him anyway. On the other hand, he looks courageous for protecting people who have been discriminated against. He is leading the way to the future, Romney will be seen as dragging us back to the past. For the most part Americans have a live and let live attitude about others. Only a small minority will get worked up into a lather about this.
05:36 PM on 05/10/2012
I don't think Obama will loose that many votes for his position on gay marriage. The evangelicals that were not going to vote for him of course, won't. I think Obama's stand on gay marriage will help him with a lot of independents and will definately help him with some gays who were sitting on the fence.
05:32 PM on 05/10/2012
What the President showed me (AGAIN) yesterday is that he understands that a president is the President of ALL the people....not just the ones somebody else decides are OK. ALL the people!!!
I applaud the President!
05:30 PM on 05/10/2012
OMG! Obama took risk? Maybe hell has frozen over.
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Harbinger08
You have the right to remain silent
07:05 PM on 05/10/2012
Don't get out much, do you?
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RichPort
Don't blame me, I'm a stoned head...
05:10 PM on 05/10/2012
I remember in the early 90s reading an interview in the Village Voice with Chuck D of Public Enemy, where he was asked if he viewed gay rights in the same light as the struggle he so eloquently detailed in his music. He responded that it was totally different because one was about race and the other about sex, essentially implying that you can choose who you sleep with, but not what color you are. It sounded reasonable enough to me at the time. Since then, I've spent over two decades in the workforce, side by side with many people, including many gay folks. My views have evolved. Life experience will do that to you. I know President Obama will lose some votes over this, but I am confident that he'll gain more than he loses. And I could care less if the move was for political expediency... as I've commented before, would the Civil Rights Act be any less of a landmark if LBJ did it simply for votes? I think not. Overall, I don't think this changes the outcomeucj. Those who choose not to vote for him over this were probably not going to vote for him anyway.
Sergeant
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09:06 PM on 05/10/2012
And don't forget the Civil Rights Act would never have passed without republican support.
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RichPort
Don't blame me, I'm a stoned head...
08:26 AM on 05/11/2012
Agreed. But even in those tough times there were at least a few responsible Republicans. I wonder where they all went now...
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disporting
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
04:57 PM on 05/10/2012
It won't cost him any votes, it will only give him support and votes.
04:44 PM on 05/10/2012
I dont think Obama would have said anything if Biden hadnt forced him but I am with Shep. Obama is finally coming into the 21st century or is he. Time will tell......
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gypsynomad
I dwell in possibility.
05:05 PM on 05/10/2012
Biden is the king of gaffe, Obama was going to say it anyways and Biden could not even wait for the POTUS to say. .
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10:14 PM on 05/11/2012
Thank God for V.P. Biden. An honest man that say what HE thinks and feels, not what he is TOLD TO SAY. At least he does not go on TV and tell lies like our previous V.P.....remember him??? Biggest lie teller of all time. No more lies.......OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
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Left of Right
Want to default your country? Default your job!
04:43 PM on 05/10/2012
Yes, certainly, Obama's stance on gay rights could hurt him in swing states, but let's hope that does not happen. Let's hope as well, that every gay Obama stood up for will pay him back by showing up to vote for him.

Half the country has "evolved" to arrive at the same conclusion and the percentage of those against gay marriage has dropped dramatically over recent years.

Republicans and evangelicals are not going to vote for him anyway, right?

In any case, we all have until November 7 to watch Obama fight for the People, for all people, and fight for programs that will strengthen this country for all us, and we will compare to Romney who changes his opinions in relation to who is is talking to.

As a matter of fact, if polls reflect a jump in support for Obama, Romney will be saying this whole gay rights thing was his idea all along and give himself the credit!
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gypsynomad
I dwell in possibility.
05:01 PM on 05/10/2012
Exactly and fave.
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Left of Right
Want to default your country? Default your job!
06:14 PM on 05/10/2012
Thanks gypsy, fanned you also!

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Sergeant
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09:09 PM on 05/10/2012
Nothing has changed. Obama was evolving and now has evolved under duress. Most people these days really don't give a rat's a** who get married or not. But make it a big deal and force people to choose or question priorities at this critical time and people will choose.