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Madeleine M. Kunin

Madeleine M. Kunin

Posted: September 23, 2010 09:33 AM

Don't Ask, Don't Tell

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The Senate vote against the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," was more than a repudiation of equal rights for our gay and lesbian citizens; it was downright unpatriotic.

I know we in Vermont have high expectations on this subject, having been the first state to create civil unions ten years ago and more recently, we were the first state to give legislative approval to legalize gay marriage, even over-riding a Governor's veto. Since then, the majority of Americans have come a long way. Vermont is no longer alone. Polls indicate that 57% of Americans believe that gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the military.

Still, why not let people serve their country when they are eager and qualified to do so? The argument that allowing these men and women to be open about their sexual identity might weaken our military strength does not stand up under scrutiny. Rather, the opposite argument is more credible--we are losing thousands of talented people with special skills, like translators, which undercut our military capability. Besides, when have lying and secrecy been highly regarded values in this country? That is exactly what we force these gay men and women to do in order to retain their right to serve under"don't ask don't tell."

It's hard to take seriously the claim that military preparedness would suffer if "don't ask, don't tell" were repealed when both Secretary of Defense Gates and Chairman of the Join Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, have supported it.

Susan Collins, who voted for the repeal in Armed Services Committee, voted against the bill when it came to the Senate floor with an impassioned speech about procedure. It is difficult to accept that excuse when no Republican voted for the bill--once again falling into the lock step of Republican opposition to any Democratic or Obama initiative--regardless of the merits of the legislation. We've seen this video before.

Republicans and anti-gay groups can claim a short term victory by defeating this measure. It is a pyrrhic victory which will haunt Republicans when the light of history will shine on them. This is a defeat, not for Democrats, who will rally to this cause once again, but it is a defeat for what this country should stand for--to permit every citizen the equal right to serve his or her country without having to wear a virtual burka to cover their own identity.

That, to me, is un-American.

Madeleine M. Kunin is the former Governor of Vermont and was the state's first woman governor. She served as Ambassador to Switzerland for President Clinton, and was on the three-person panel that chose Al Gore to be Clinton's VP. She is the author of Pearls, Politics, and Power: How Women Can Win and Lead from Chelsea Green Publishing.

 
 
 
 
 
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05:42 PM on 09/24/2010
I may have been a bit misplaced with my previous disapprobation of the censors. Please accept my apolgies. But really, 19 fans the first week of my posting and zero since? Is this possible?
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Brian Holler
Yes, it's really my last name.
04:11 PM on 09/24/2010
I don't understand. Perhaps I'm young, naive, was raised too liberal and open-minded or whatever, but I was under the impression that religion is not supposed to be intertwined with our politics? ;)

Of course, we all know that's B.S. The First Amendment should actually say, "Freedom of (whichever branch of Christianity you like...the other stuff? Hell, no!)." Christianity is at the heart of the discrimination of gay and lesbian Americans. The reason this problem still exists and is able to be used as political warfare? Because people won't talk about the REAL reasons this is happening.

It's because of that cross. You know, the one that's supposed to stand for helping those less fortunate, caring for everyone, being positive and working together? Instead, people like Rush Limbaugh or 50 Cent wear them proudly and speak of their "relationships" with God. Don't forget to thank the big guy for giving you the freedom to judge others! Wait...I'm not a Christian, but doesn't that go against the "rules?"

Actually, I believe that we are greater than organized religion. It feels like many others are starting to see that as well. Or, at the very least, they are saying to themselves, "I might be a Christian, but it's cool if other people think other things - no one really know the answers." At least that's a start. Know why right-wingers hate those kind of people? They are using their head.
03:05 PM on 09/24/2010
What all these lefties fail to do is live in the real world. Kunin, who apparently never served in the military, thinks she knows what is best for the military. The purpose of a military is to KILL THE ENEMY. Kunin will never have the occasion to kill the enemy(unless the military is defeated and we are attacked here at home) and does not have the inclination to be a warrior. Kunin, who has benefited from the centuries long successes of the US military, now wants to tell those on the front lines that they will have to occupy their fox hole with homosexuals. The same impulse that allows these soldiers to KILL THE ENEMY, is the same impulse that leads them to disdain homosexuals on the battlefield. Until Kunin is in a life and death situation she will never understand the brotherhood that has allowed America to be successful in defending our shores these many centuries. When someone is willing to give their life for their country we should place less emphasis on political correctness and provide the circumstances which allows our soldiers to best perform their mission.
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adrianrf
Another job-creating immigrant
05:38 PM on 09/24/2010
it's saddening to read your angry, misguided frothing. in the end, it's mostly pitiful.

you are not playing with a full deck, "manrock1".

(heck, your very choice of screenname suggests you have some unexamined issues.)
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Jeffrey Marks
05:40 PM on 09/24/2010
My partner was in the Army. He knows a bit more about this than you do, and he said no one cared about sexuality, it was about who would be trusted to have your back.

Do you think that throwing gay linguists out of the armed services at a time when they are in short supply and months of transcripts go untranslated is helping to allow our soldiers to best perform their mission? I think they would disagree.
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Rachael Crawley
Canadian and proud
02:15 PM on 09/24/2010
In Canada, we have gay military weddings. And military family housing is open to all.

As far as I know, there hasn't been a mass exodus of homophobes. If serving their country is important enough to them, people will do it anyway.

It's a shame that the army will keep out willing members and compromise those who are forced to keep a huge part of their lives secret, just because some homophobes find it icky.
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LLeGrande
An Increasingly Disgusted Liberal Democrat.
01:56 PM on 09/24/2010
The homophobes of the military are the high ranking officers - including those at the highest ranks inside the Pentagon. These officers have many allies within the Legislative Branch who will dance to the tune of the generals every day of the week. Every last one of these high ranking officers could never have achieved their status by believing that gays should serve their country honorably in uniform. A million privates do not outrank one general.

The Republicans will never approve of openly-gay military members.

The Democrats are not much better.

The Obama Administration must be held in disdain for its position (or lack thereof) regarding DADT.

This battle is far from over. I hardly can't wait for the poll answers about soldiers showering with gays. (Notice they didn't ask about showering with felons inducted to meet quota requirements.)
10:53 AM on 09/24/2010
I have friends in the military and they always are telling me that they don't care if gays serve in the military. It's the people outside the military who don't want gays in the military. I hope homophobic people are happy living with their bigotry and hatred of others. Unfortunately, we've seen time and time again, some of the biggest political opponents of gays are closeted gay politicians who pretend to be straight. There is a movie about this called, "Outrage".

For all those homophobic people out there, you owe it to yourself to read the facts of the California Prop 8 court ruling from August this year. It's a 138 page PDF (https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/09cv2292/files/09cv2292-ORDER.pdf) that has homophobic "experts" conceding that gay marriage can't hurt straight marriage and they also concede that religious belief does encourage violence against gay people. Read and weep.
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ancientuno
10:02 AM on 09/24/2010
Apparently everyone in America is not equal after all.
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
12:19 PM on 09/24/2010
Exactly, overweight people can't join, underweight people can't join, People who took certain meds as kids can't join. Single Parents can't join Active Duty Army units but may be restricted to some national Guard units (but if they become a single parent while on active duty they are given an option to stay in or get out AT THAT TIME). Oh and people over I think it is now 42 cant join for initial service (age discrimination)

So no I guess not everyone can equally join the military.
01:08 PM on 09/24/2010
Reminds me of a conversation I had a few years ago with a defender of DADT. He said he'd wanted to join the air force but his vision was too poor and he was rejected, so it was the same thing with gays. I told him I was gay and have 20/20 vision. See the difference? Sexual orientation is IRRELEVANT in regard to performing a job.
05:50 PM on 09/24/2010
Right, because being gay means you can't carry your battle pack, will have dependents back home, etc., etc.

Wait...you mean your sexual orientation has nothing to do with those things?

Then why did you compare them with being gay?
09:31 AM on 09/24/2010
It's somewhat too bad that gay military personnel love what they do. Would be awesome to see them all raise their hands and say "I'm gay. I'm outta here. Bye. Good luck" and watch a mass exodus. This country would be screwed.

Thank you to all military personnel; gay straight, black, green ,purple, blue, catholic, muslin, jewish
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Contact1972
Honey Badger Don't Care
11:22 AM on 09/24/2010
Agreed x 10!
04:48 AM on 09/24/2010
The GOP's patroitism is only a means at best and a banner at worst. First and foremost in their minds is the condemnation of gays, like the bible tells them. Most are evangelicals first & citizens second. They'll do what they think god wants them to do as a priority before what is right for their country. Of course in their ptrezel logic they are one in the same.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
04:11 AM on 09/24/2010
They did not vote against, Any vote was blocked by a minority...80% of Americans support it and a majority in Congress... a big improvement.



The party that blocked it was against child labor laws, women voting, 40 hour work weeks, overtime, min wage, soc sec, unemployement and workers comp insurance, clean air and water, voting rights act, civil rights act, stem cell research, equal pay for equal work, rockNroll, jazz and the blues, birth control pills for married women, Choice, ...against jews, blacks and women in the military. Against different races marrying, against teaching blacks to read.

Against anti trust and monopoly laws... Against desegregation.. Against Medicare and Soc security,CAFE stds, FDA, SEC,renewable energy, climate warming and just about any positive change in the history of our country over the last 120 years.. so feel confident that they will be proven wrong again! .

Name one thing Republican have been for (and actually implemented.. certainly not smaller government( doubkle undr both Bush and reagan) and they own 90% of our debt) besides tax cuts and no government regulation so they can rig any free market that might accidently occur.

Regards
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adrianrf
Another job-creating immigrant
05:43 PM on 09/24/2010
and don't forget: as Rachel Maddow exposed in the last 24 hours, although the 'Thugs pretend otherwise in their "Pledge" manifesto, their real aim (which they only declare in front of friendly audiences) is to destroy Medicare, Social Security and the VA system for veterans.

the safety net that so many Americans depend on right now is under direct, total threat by the Rethugs.
03:08 AM on 09/24/2010
Do you realize that women in the military are the single group of women who are most likely to be raped??
It is the straight soldiers who need to learn to control there impulses, not the homosexual ones.
If only every straight soldier had as much self control of their sexuality!
The gay soldiers behave better sexually than their straight counterparts.
And as to people who say that all gays being feminine, that is just them noticing the ones who are, there are just as many manly gays as feminine gays. Its just that in a crowd of people you are more likely to notice the one verses the other.
Get over your bigotry people!!
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
11:01 AM on 09/24/2010
I've known a lot of straight men who were effeminate...
11:47 AM on 09/24/2010
And some women are coerced into unwanted sex by men threatening to out them as lesbians (whether they are or not) in they do not cooperate.
01:52 AM on 09/24/2010
"removing DADT is unpatriotic and puts an added burden on our troops in the field...social engineering experiments belong in sociology class and not the military.. this repeal attempt is about a larger social agenda..."

Every argument you just made was used in the late 1940s to rally against the desegragation of the military. Luckily, Harry Truman ignored those arguments and issued an executive order in 1948 to desegregate. Btw, the desegregation process wasn't complete until we were already entangled in the Korean War (for those people who think "social engineering" is impossible during war times). Obama could end this DADT debate with the stroke of a pen (an executive order).
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PDinCA
Clarity has reared its ugly head again
01:58 AM on 09/24/2010
Besides, it's not an experiment. Most civilized countries have already done it, so the experiment is over, and the data is in.
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Joshy X
observer in Weimar Amerika
01:31 AM on 09/24/2010
removing DADT is unpatriotic and puts an added burden on our troops in the field... even Obama's pick to head the Marines this week is all for keeping DADT... social engineering experiments belong in sociology class and not the military.. this repeal attempt is about a larger social agenda... the Federal courts have upheld DADT 5 times already... it's one of the few things Clinton did right
01:59 AM on 09/24/2010
If this policy ever is repealed people with your point of view will be embarrassed (one reason why some conservatives desperately don't want it repealed), as nothing detrimental will happen. No country that ever had a similar policy and repealed it has gone back. All have reported subsequently it was never necessary. Please don't resort to American exceptionalism because in such a fundamental matter all armies are basically alike and gay people in the military don't behave differently depending on the country.
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Joshy X
observer in Weimar Amerika
10:16 AM on 09/24/2010
the only embarrassment is that DADT is even being considered for repeal
02:10 AM on 09/24/2010
"removing DADT is unpatriotic and puts an added burden on our troops in the field...social engineering experiments belong in sociology class and not the military.. this repeal attempt is about a larger social agenda..."

Every argument you just made was used in the late 1940s to rally against the desegragation of the military. Luckily, Harry Truman ignored those arguments and issued an executive order in 1948 to desegregate. Btw, the desegregation process wasn't complete until we were already entangled in the Korean War (for those people who think "social engineering" is impossible during war times). Obama could end this DADT debate with the stroke of a pen (an executive order).
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Joshy X
observer in Weimar Amerika
10:01 AM on 09/24/2010
stop comparing black soldiers with homosexuality...
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Chris1962
NYC
01:27 AM on 09/24/2010
Obama seeks to curb ruling on gays in military
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68M5X220100924
12:19 AM on 09/24/2010
"Besides, when have lying and secrecy been highly regarded values in this country?"

That would be the Bush years.
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Chris1962
NYC
01:29 AM on 09/24/2010
Some folks around here seriously need to wean themselves off the Kool-Aid and start catching a clue:

Obama seeks to curb ruling on gays in military
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68M5X220100924
04:52 AM on 09/24/2010
Let's please all agree to put that vapid statement of drinking ka to rest.