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Madeleine M. Kunin

Madeleine M. Kunin

Posted: February 9, 2010 12:49 PM

Gays in the Military

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We've come a long way in the sixteen years since the policy of "don't ask, don't tell," was adopted to deal with the question of gay and lesbian members of the military.

This time, advocacy for repeal did not come from any outside group; it came from the apex of the military establishment itself.

What a thrill it was to hear Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff say these words to the Senate Armed Services Committee:

"No matter how I look at the issue, I cannot escape from being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

He got to the heart of the matter. Not only do gay and lesbian service members have to use subterfuge to serve their country, they live in fear of being outed by a third party, who may be a rejected suitor.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates shared the podium with Admiral Mullen. He made it clear that he was acting on orders from his Commander in Chief. He said the decision was no longer a question of whether or not "don't ask, don't tell" will be repealed, but how.

The final decision, both men agreed, rests with the Congress.

Once again, the Senate appears to be divided on partisan lines. Democratic Senator Carl Levin of Michigan has long supported this change.

Senator John McCain chastised the Secretary of Defense for "being clearly biased.

He said repeal was too much to ask of a military that is already fighting two wars.

He seems to have forgotten the position he had taken in 2006 when he said that the day the military leadership “comes to me and says ‘Senator, we ought to change this policy,’ then I think we ought to seriously consider changing it."

That is exactly what happened. The military spoke loud and clear. If there was any doubt about where the military leadership stood, Colin Powell, who created "don't ask, don't tell," as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced he fully supported Gates and Mullen.

The argument that letting gays and lesbians serve their country openly would weaken our defense has proven to be dead wrong. Some 13,000 soldiers have been dismissed as a result of the law, many of them valuable interpreters and experts.

Soldiers who risk their lives together must be able to trust and respect one another. A majority of Americans today agree with repealing "don't ask don't tell. Let us hope that John McCain, the son and grandson of four star admirals, will have the decency to recognize a good solider when he sees one, not by his or her sexual orientation, but by their willingness to serve their country.

 
Madeleine M. Kunin is the former Governor of Vermont and was the state's first woman governor. She served as Ambassador to Switzerland for President Clinton, and was on the three-person panel that chose Al Gore to be Clinton's VP. She is the author of
Pearls, Politics, and Power: How Women Can Win and Lead from Chelsea Green Publishing.

 
 
 
 
 
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12:31 PM on 02/10/2010
As a veteran , I don't care if gays serve , we need all the help we can get. Osama wouldn't know if he got hit by a "gay" or "straight" bullet.
09:35 AM on 02/10/2010
Why do people insist upon distorting reality so much.

First, the 13,000 dimissed from military mostly fessed up to get kicked out. They were tired of military life and wanted to return to normalcy. Some I suspect were not even gay, but hey, it's easy to fool Gooberment people.

Second, if they get rid of this, they need to create seperate showers and sleeping quarters. Nearly all men will refuse to take communal showers with gay men.

If they don't, then they need to require women to take communal showers with men, just to be totally fair.
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shryock
It never is what it is anymore
10:45 AM on 02/10/2010
"Nearly all men will refuse to take communal showers with gay men."

too true. because nearly all men are seriously deluded about their sexual attractiveness.
they all seem to think that they are irresistible to women and to gay men.
as if.
07:01 PM on 02/11/2010
I've been in the Navy for 10 years, I don't remember having communal showers. Does it still exist for other branches of the military? Even on submarines we have individual showers and in barracks we have our own private bathrooms?
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08:07 AM on 02/12/2010
When I was in basic 12 years ago we had a communal shower. We had the same thing when I was in Great Mistakes for training to become an ET. Never had a communal shower after that.
09:15 AM on 02/10/2010
Being outed by a 3rd party who is a rejected suitor is bad but doesn't get to the heart of the everyday Fear that is 3rd-party outing. Under DADT subordinates have Power over superiors because they can Out them at any time. Peers who have professional jealousy and who are competing for a good evaluation or good jobs can Out them at any time. People who are just plain mean can Out them at anytime.

Gays already serve, but this policy subverts the power structure from the order and discipline inherent in a military rank structure to an underlying power structure driven by who has the power to Out another individual. As has been pointed out, suspicion of who is gay comes from many sources: something as benign as having a photograph on a desk that is other than the opposite sex, sharing a 2-bedroom apartment with someone of the same gender, or wearing a ring but not being married. These benign activities can be ammunition to those who would seek to subvert the rank-derived power structure and Out someone for personal gain.
09:44 AM on 02/10/2010
Sorry to burst your bubble, you can be outed by someone else, but only if you "Tell."

Otherwise, you cannot be dismissed. Care to try again with another made up story?
10:18 AM on 02/10/2010
Witt v. United States Department of the Air Force.

Witt had kept her private life private. Or so she thought.

"Some allegations were made and an investigation was started," Witt said flatly. "I certainly didn't tell them."
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08:08 AM on 02/12/2010
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble, but according to the military, you can "tell" by being seen by someone at the grocery store with your spouse. You don't have to CHOOSE to tell, someone can tell for you, and now you've got an OTH discharge!
03:10 AM on 02/10/2010
In the 1970's the YMCA was a thriving non-profit organization until the Village People tainted their image for a generation. Attendance at YMCA's across the country suffered from an image that openly gay people worked out there.

I predict the same thing will happen to our military if they repeal DADT. Military enrollment will fall rapidly because a sizable portion of straight people will lose interest in participating.
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08:30 AM on 02/10/2010
And you can think that all you want, but this isn't the 70s, and DADT is not the Village People.
01:19 AM on 02/12/2010
I suppose you're next going to say they stopped the navy from getting recruits.
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09:14 PM on 02/09/2010
I think "don't ask don't tell" should be a universal workplace requirement. I don't think a supervisor should be allowed to ask you about your sex life. I don't think a prospective employer should be allowed to ask a woman if she's married or pregnant. I don't think people should come to work on Monday mornings and talk about how lucky they got on Saturday night. I think everybody should just keep their personal lives private and do their jobs. And if you see one of your co-workers kissing somebody in the parking lot, look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Even if your co-worker is kissing the boss's wife, you should keep your mouth shut and mind your own business. I don't think bridal or baby showers should be held in the workplace, because it embarrasses people into feeling they are obligated to purchase a gift. and I definitely don't think people should be getting it on in the broom closet on company time.
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08:32 AM on 02/10/2010
Then you don't understand human nature. People cannot keep their personal and professional lives completely separate, nor should they HAVE to.
DUSAA-1775
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06:33 PM on 02/09/2010
Last year, didn't the Dems have a 60 seat Senate super majority and a huge majority in the House?? Is McCain a democrat who is preventing the changing of this law? Is this yet another example of the democrats being in control and not being able to do a darn thing?
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05:34 PM on 02/09/2010
McCain is trying to defend his Senate seat from a "holier than thou" right winger; so he doesn't dare come out in favor of repealing DADT. To do so might make him seem soft on national defense, at least to those who vote in Republican primaries.
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rextrek
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04:21 PM on 02/09/2010
Thats ONLY the TIP of this Unjust Law.......Gay/Lesbian soldiers can NOT take FULL advantage of the Military Support for themselves OR THEIR Families? No Marriage to the person you love, No shopping at the PX to save the family money....No Housing subsidy for your partner & kids / No Free Health care for your partner/ or the kids you share together..."that would be Telling".... No..Hugs,last moment kisses when they're off to be deployed,and quite possibly the LAST Time you'll ever see them again......the law is unjust and Un-American!
06:47 PM on 02/09/2010
I remember the agony of my then partner everytime I have to go on deployment. We had to do our last goodbyes and kisses at home. He can't share the success that I have earned while serving in the military. Had to go with my "girl" friends to go to a Navy Ball and him at home by himself. Had to have separate medical insurance because he's not covered under mine. No where to go or talk to when I'm down about my own personal relationship. The saddest part is during my graduation from college and commissioning, he had to stand besides my parents as a friend. I got discharged because I told the truth when asked by my superior officer if I had a relationship with a guy. Asking puts people in a dilemma, do I tell the truth about myself or do I just shrug it off and say no comment. Makes it even hard when it happens at the very moment that I'm going through sorrow because of ending a 6-year relationship. It is so against the culture that I was taught in the Nuclear Power Program where INTEGRITY is so important. It was an honorable discharge, but it doesn't take the fact that I can no longer do my duties to protect the constitution or take care one of my sailors. On top of that the amount of money that the tax-payers lost for putting me thru 4-years of college, training and bonuses.
08:46 PM on 02/09/2010
We're fighting with you. This will change -promise.
01:47 AM on 02/10/2010
I don't want to burst your bubble, but removing "don't ask or don't " has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Gays still can't get married--unless you are in certain states that recognize it. If you're in the military you can shop at the PX--just use the guy (or gal's Id card). And as far as health care for children--if you adopted them, they get free health care. If they are biologically yours they get free health care--where is the problem? Hugs at the deployed station?? Hey pal unless you are deep throating a person it could be brother sister or family--where-is the problem??? Yes, I understand your point, but it is not applicable here.
03:45 PM on 02/09/2010
Of course John MCcain like many others that appose this policies repeal aren't looking at the good Soldier, Marine, Sailor or Airmen being discharged under this failure of a policy. The thing I find most troubling about John MCCain opposition point now, is it is totally out of line with what he originally stated. He stated that he would look into it's repeal when Military Leadership was in support of keeping it in tact. But now that military leaders are strongly advocating for it's repeal. He now has done a 360 degree turn and saying this policy has worked, which it has not, and that "miliary leaders" are partisan? John, John, John, in all reality most military leaders at the top of all military branches are Republican. However, they do not see the point behind discharging completely qualified military members under this policy. This policy not only aides in our countries discrimination against gays and lesbian. It enables are enemies because we have to discharge these extremely qualified personnel and replace them with personnel who are less qualified . Being in the military for going on 10 years now, I have served and continue to serve with many gay service members. These members all took the oath to "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America". Standing next to me in mountains of Afghanistan to the Deserts of Iraq. Were these gay and lesbian servicemembers fighting for America's right to freedom. While being denied theres.
05:10 PM on 02/09/2010
Actually, he's done a 180 degree turn.

A 360 degree turn means he's completed a full circle & would be continuing on in the same direction...
12:03 PM on 02/10/2010
360 sounds right, then, if you look at it this way: he's always been in favor of the ban; he said he'd consider lifting it if the military leadership wanted it lifted on what then seemed like the safe assumption that they'd never do so; and has reverted when it turned out otherwise.
02:07 PM on 02/09/2010
Here's an idea.

If you haven't served in the military then you don't get to tell the people that ARE fighting & dying to protect your @$$ what they can & what they can't say.

PERIOD.

Sorry, but if you don't have the stones to enlist & serve then you have NO RIGHT telling the people who do how they must act. Now you can cry all you want about how "libruls only believe in free speech if it applies to them" but you're only going to come off looking like a hypocritical jack@$$. Seriously, think about it. YOU'RE telling homosexuals what they can & what they can't talk about but you're going to call ME out for infringing upon your freedom of speech?

Got hypocrisy?
TryToBeFlexible
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04:11 PM on 02/09/2010
Huh, are you for or against?
05:10 PM on 02/09/2010
Don't Ask, Don't Tell should be repealed immediately.
01:33 PM on 02/09/2010
What he said is NOT the heart of the matter. The REAL question should be, does changing the policy INCREASE or further the mission of the military? When you join the military, ITS needs come FIRST as any veteran or sevice member knows.
01:52 PM on 02/09/2010
What branch of the military did YOU serve in?
01:56 PM on 02/09/2010
Oh, so that must be why straight Soldiers are also not allowed to show pictures of their significant others. This must be why straight Soldiers can't call their partners in a war zone. This must be why if a straight Soldier's significant other gets hurt or sick, they can't talk about it with their friends and family. This must also be why so many straight Soldiers are kicked out of the military for the people that they chose to have sex with. Bigot.
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02:58 PM on 02/09/2010
Love it, Rebecca! Faved and fanned!