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Mean Girls

Posted: 08/29/11 11:01 AM ET

I remember watching my daughter and her friends interact on the playground when she was two, three and four years old. Boys or girls, quiet or rambunctious, it didn't matter; everyone was a possible new friend. Everyone had potential.

After she started school, a shift began to evolve that was so subtle, it could have been missed. It was a power shift, of sorts. When I subbed in the elementary schools during those years, I saw it almost everywhere, the divisions forming. The playground cliques. The pitting of one child against another -- if you include her, I won't play.

My daughter came home one day in third grade and told me that a friend had created a club during recess; my daughter was invited to join, but her best friend was not. When I asked her how she felt about it and how she handled it, she said, somewhat indignantly, "Well, I didn't join, of course!" She then did the eye-roll, the non-verbal "you idiot," and walked away.

I couldn't have been more proud of her at that moment -- eye-roll or not. I knew it was a small victory, an early one, but it was a start. Her friends' mothers and I have been on a quest since the beginning of their friendships to mitigate, if not completely eliminate, the "mean girls" phenomenon that seems so endemic in our daughters' lives.

Why are we like that? Why do we need to hurt, put down, insult, and otherwise belittle others to make ourselves feel good? I'm sure there are many, many answers and reasons to the broad societal issue of bullying, but with girls, there seems to be an additional impetus. As Mary Pipher, Ph.D., suggested in "Reviving Ophelia," the adolescent years are when girls' self-esteem nosedives.

I remember my mom telling me things like that when I was a child -- a fringe kid, not one of the popular girls: "They're just jealous, honey." And I would think, jealous of what? The flaming red hair? The intelligence? Ooh. Yes. Those things are SO COOL. And I would roll my eyes at her and walk away. And yes, I do see the trend there.

As an adult, I get it. When girls lose their self-esteem, they DO become jealous -- maybe of another girl's things or looks, but also maybe simply because she hates herself. In my experience, girls who are insecure need the validation of others to cement their own self-worth, and often that validation comes at the expense of kids who don't fit the standard definition of "normal."

That's where the other moms and I stepped in.

It started -- we started -- even as the girls were starting to mature, to find their voices, their interests, their strengths. If our daughter was disrespectful to a friend, or rude, or not playing fair, we sat her down and explained that good friends build each other up, they don't tear them down. We helped them understand empathy: "How do you think you might feel if a friend said/did that to you? Do you think it could be hurtful?"

As situations occurred between our girls, we would coach them on how to understand other people's feelings, how to understand their own, and how to work things through. We still do, sometimes. But now, for the most part, we let them work things out themselves, because they have the tools to do so without hurting each other. They know, at the end of the day, that meanness will not be tolerated.

Earlier in the year we worked with a local youth center that focuses on positive body image and self-esteem, to create a kind of "We Rock!" party for our girls. They spent an afternoon doing crafts and activities around what they like about themselves and what's special about their friends, and emerged even tighter than before.

There are so many more ways today for girls -- kids -- to hurt each other; I may not be able to give my daughter self-esteem, but I'm hoping, through these kinds of activities, that I can give her the tools to hang onto what she already has. Finding other moms who share that philosophy has made the battle much easier.

Our hope is to cement our girls' self-esteem before the teen years can sabotage it. Will we be successful? I don't know. What I do know is that if I don't try, I will not forgive myself. I simply cannot accept that the pain I experienced in middle and high school at the hands of mean girls is a rite of passage. If we help our girls develop/retain their self-esteem, there's a better chance they will be neither bully nor victim.

It's never going to be as simple as the playground. But I still believe in the potential.

 
 
 

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I remember watching my daughter and her friends interact on the playground when she was two, three and four years old. Boys or girls, quiet or rambunctious, it didn't matter; everyone was a possible n...
I remember watching my daughter and her friends interact on the playground when she was two, three and four years old. Boys or girls, quiet or rambunctious, it didn't matter; everyone was a possible n...
 
 
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02:52 AM on 09/07/2011
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And using just these guiding tenets, I notice that all of the bullying is based on negative behaviors that are actually true, which allows the "victims" to either stop their negative behavior if they do not wish to be bullied or continue to be bullied, but allow the clique to continue having fun.


So if you just take the time to get to know each girl, you can sap out most of the malicious intent and teach them values like trust, honesty, and class, while also focusing on having fun.

It should be reasonable to expect teachers and parents to be able to function in the similar roles that a lifeguard can function as in sleepaway camp.

It all comes back to effort and ability to relate to the kids.
02:51 AM on 09/07/2011
But there are enough cliques that exist that anyone should be able to find one that fits them.

Even the "losers" have their own clique, so even though that clique might not "matter," they still have friends.






For example, I have worked at sleepaway camps and definitely notice there being cliques among the girls, but not really among the boys, unless you count groups of kids who hang out a lot as a clique.

So like instead of taking my break during the evening shift, I'll hang out with the really girly girl clique and maybe the naturish girl clique, just so that I know what types of pranks are being planned before they happen.

And for any of the pranks that we plan, I always just insist that it is based on things that are actually true (Example: If we are going to exclude a girl for being promiscuou­s, there needs to be somewhat tangible evidence that she actually acts like that. I do not allow them to exclude a girl just for wearing a short dress one day and for them to just assume that the girl is promiscuou­s.)

And I always stress honesty and integrity as part of our interactio­ns as once someone is caught lying, I cut off my tolerance for pulling pranks and acting clicky with that girl.
05:59 AM on 09/06/2011
If an adult just sits down and talks with kids without fear of what they say yielding detention, it is normally enough to figure out who is truly terrible VS who is just being a kid.

Unfortunat­ely, the teacher's unions will not exert 1 extra ounce of unnecessar­y effort.
05:17 AM on 09/06/2011
From my observatio­ns, about 90% of adults are hypocrites­.


Example: At sleepaway camp, we have this really high wall (maybe 10-15 feet high that overlooks the grassy field below and 2 of our campers were standing up there, talking about wanting to jump down.

For some reason, there was no one else out there at the time, so I had some leeway about deciding if I wanted to stop them.

I walk up to them and stand up there with them and encourage 1 of them to go first.

Both of them admit they are scared and ask me to go first.

I look down and figure this is a pretty steep fall and the grass is not all that thick, so it might hurt, and I tell them I think it is too risky.

So the 3 of us walk off together. Problem solved.

Even if 1 of them had jumped, we have a full medical team on-hand that could have treated whatever bruises the kid would have incurred, and the pain serves as a lesson not to do something like that or similar in the future.

And if the kid does not get hurt, well then it was not dangerous in the first place.
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09:50 AM on 09/08/2011
Just because someone doesn't get hurt in a situation doesn't mean there was no danger. Just like if nobody is around, a tree that falls in the forest still makes a noise. Just because nobody heard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Your reasoning is why children under the age of 18 are not legally adults and cannot legally make adult decisions.
05:17 AM on 09/06/2011
The problems here are two-fold:


1) FAR too many people are labelled as mean.

For example, I might hear a group of girls make fun of another girl for being fat and they are labelled as mean.

But the girl being made fun of is 150 pounds and only 5'5".

Are we supposed to tell the group of girls to lie and say she is not fat, when she clearly is?


2) There is no entrance test to being an adult.

But lots of adults set rules in the way that "Listen to this person because she is an adult," but then she acts like a total jerk and abuses the kids.

And then the kids are labelled disrespect­­ful if they do not follow this jerk's instructio­­ns
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09:01 AM on 09/06/2011
Are you serious?

1) If there is some reason the group of girls has to address the other girl's size, there are other less offensive ways that would not sound like rudeness or insult.

2) Some day when these kids grow up they will (hopefully) be employed. At some time in their lives they WILL face a college professor or a boss who may not personally deserve their respect, and yet, they will HAVE to give at least a show of civility and respect to that person or face consequences; loss of job of 'fail' in college course. Life is simply like that. Yes, there are a lot of jerks in the world. Learning to deal with imperfect people and even 'jerks' is part of getting along in the world and is only to the kids's benefit in the end.
02:27 AM on 09/07/2011
You cannot fail a class just for not being respectful.

All you lose is any leniency from the professor.


And you can probably tell from the interview if a boss does not personally deserve their respect, so if they do happen to stumble onto a boss like that, they can simply reject the job offer.
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06:43 PM on 09/06/2011
I just can't imagine how it feels to be so mercifully free from ravages of reality.
03:30 AM on 09/05/2011
OMG - we already legislate the definition of "hate" and "bullying" - why not legislate this as well. Maybe we all as parents can soon attend school WITH our kids - that way they won't ever see or be involved in conflict. My God, don't adults have anything better to do then get involved in the playground politics!!!! No wonder this country is sinking fast!!! When your kids are starving because we have no jobs for them in the future, at least we can rest assure they are starving "nicely". Get a life, your kids will be fine!!!
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05:17 PM on 09/04/2011
Ms. Simone, you appear to be a dedicated and good parent.
04:23 PM on 09/04/2011
While I agree with django I don't think it's "funny" that these problems start with school. Parents bring up their adorable little tots then when the kids are 5 they get turned over to the government to raise. Is it surprising that the child's character changes in such circumstances? Watch 'Waiting for Superman' and 'The Race to Nowhere' to see the details. Sure there are good hearted teachers scattered around but who can overcome the bureaucracy? Telling a bunch of active little kids to shut up, sit down and listen is so obviously wrong it can't stand the light of day--but try to object and you'll get bullied by the system.
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01:41 PM on 09/04/2011
Funny how all of these problems begin with school. We say that we send our children to be educated and properly socialized. And this is the great lie we tell ourselves.
School institutionalizes hierarchical behavior. Our children are being indoctrinated into a grim reality of life. That social status is MORE EASILY achieved at the expense of others.
We may sit our children down and tell them to be nice, but they aren't stupid and they see that meanness elevates status. And this is true virtually everywhere they look.
There is huge cognitive dissonance between what we try to teach our children about values and self-esteem and the reality of their experiences in the school yard.
Remember, those little creatures are inexperienced, but they are processing information at a blinding rate compared with their adult role models.
What are we showing them?
Petulant little bullies rising to the halls of power in politics. In business. In the media.
If you want to stop the bullying, don't even begin to think that teaching your children proper values is going to do a thing.
The problem is systemic, top to bottom.
Until we take a hard look at what kind of society we really have, and begin the painful process of real change, then the school yard will just be their honest initiation into the bullying of the supposedly grown up world.
06:41 PM on 09/04/2011
WRONG wrong wrong wrong! We don't have to look ANY farther that the mirror. If you are looking to place blame ANYWHERE ELSE you are just fooling yourself and trying to place the blame for your very negligent and very bad parenting. Parents should be raising their children. If they are allowing someone else to do it then they have absolutely no right to complain. School teaches my child. I RAISE him. Everything is a lesson right down to how Patrick on Spongebob acts to what happened on the playground. I'm trying to teach my son to be a good man, that takes vigilance and dedication. The answer isn't at the top... Silly.
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12:29 PM on 09/06/2011
Pretty adamant position. I was being hyperbolic saying that teaching your children proper values isn't going to do a thing.
Of course, we must. And sometimes it helps.
Most of us try to teach our sons and daughters to be good men and women.
But to think that our influence will be so much more powerful than the world they step into, full of peer pressure and misguided adults, is pure narcissism.
Children find that stepping into the real world is very different than the ideals their parents impart. This is a challenge for every parent.
How do you give them proper survival skills without destroying their spirits?
Of course, there are know-it-alls who are very good at lying to themselves and maintaining that their values are in sync with and mirrored by society.
But reality sometimes steps in.
11:54 AM on 09/04/2011
I have to say that I don't agree with the comment that the mean girl phenomena is cultural because parents are raising girls to compete with boys in the U.S. I live in Latin America where there remains an expectation for girls and boys to take more traditional roles. There are plenty of mean girls here. I believe that women can be strong and successful and not mean, just as men can be strong and successful and not looking for a fight constantly. I hope to raise both my children to be strong and successful and yet not be bullies.
11:46 AM on 09/04/2011
well, I think the mean girl tendency is fairly hard wired. It has to do with how humans deal with competition with people of their own sex. Girls/women have a tendency to be mean and catty and boys/men have a tendency to be physically aggressive. As the mother of a boy and a girl, I feel like it's a narrow tightrope. I teach my kids to be empathetic and insist that their self-esteem should come from love of self as they are, not according to external rules or according to how they compete with their peers. However, they also have to stand up for themselves and their friends when they are around kids whose parents, for one reason or another, aren't insisting on the same values that I am. I am determined that my kids will neither be bullies nor bullied. It's true that a lot of mean-ness in both sexes comes from kids who have poor self esteem and are trying to bolster it in a negative way. It's also true that often kids who act in a mean way are acting out of resentment or anger that is passed on to them at home. I have sympathy for these kids -- tremendous sympathy -- but I not only coach my kids on being empathetic, I also coach my kids to handle bullies and work with them and the school to stop bullying.
05:30 AM on 09/04/2011
While there is no one, perfect answer to how to kill the "mean" thing, there are plenty of things that can help. One important thing, I believe is involving our young women in activities and with groups that will build positive relationships and attitudes. No groups are always perfect, and a lot of the success of any group or organization depends on the leaders, and the parents involved. There are many such groups, but I would suggest your church or other religious community youth groups, service and community oriented youth groups such as the International Order of the Rainbow For Girls, (or Rainbow Pledge for young girls,) Brownies and Girl Scouts, Youth Focus, and other civic minded groups who build up our girls and teach them respect and concern for others. All of these groups teach morals and values along with life skills and leadership. They have fun activities for their members in a safe, and usually positive environment. Most importantly, whatever activities you decide to involve them in, don't just send your kids out the door and hope or assume everything is groovy. Get involved with the activities and groups your kids are active in so that you are aware of what is going on, and what they are learning.
11:21 AM on 09/04/2011
I agree somewhat, some of the groups you mentioned are really good at teaching people how to treat others and more importantly how to be helpful to others. But the main key ingredient is to be PRESENT to witness behavior and not assume that a group is going to do the teaching.

I was bullied as a child from the ages of 5-10, by a group of 5 girls, not just at school but at home because they lived in my neighborhood. It was important to me to be present for my children and to be the one to teach them to be kind people and not put up with bullying. I refused to allow them to be raised in daycare, etc. I sacrificed a lot but of course it was worth it.

I volunteered at their school when so I could observe frequently and know what was going on. It was a small school, and I hoped there would be less problems, but I think percentage wise there were just as many. Church doesn't automatically deter being mean, some of the scariest kids had a pastor for a father! So be aware, if you want your children to learn values important to you, don't leave it up to someone else. Unfortunately, the way the economy is now, there are too many latch-key kids raising themselves on tv and learning bad habits from poorly behaving peers!
01:23 AM on 09/04/2011
Having observed people of many different cultures, I think American women tend to find someone to exploit or mean to because this gives them a sense of empowerment. American women are raised in a culture that states that they are equal to men which creates a situation in which highly competitive and unhealthy aspirations for success take over their own meaning of existance. Foreign women by contrast are taught that they are important but their role as a woman is better defined and they do not find it necessary to develop extremely competitive tendencies.
You might argue that it is okay for American women to be competitive in a male dominant market but they also need to be taught the tender side of feminism which is missing in most American women as their identity is to compete on the job market and educational institutions.
Some of this permeates down to a notion that if an American woman is not being mean to a weaker sister, that she, too, will become the weaker sister herself.
Therefore, American women need to be retaught to value of their own sexual identity -- the problem is, who is going to teach them???
08:11 AM on 09/04/2011
The role of a "Foreign woman is better defined"? I do not know where you traveled or who you observed. Women are women. Some Societies may restrict a woman's role due to culural bias but this in no way better defines them. A woman in a burka struggling with family, work and life is no less or more defined than a soccer mom in her favorite jeans doing the same. I've traveled extensively since I was a child. The only hard rule of thumb is a simple one, people every where are the same. You have care givers, bullies,doormats and achievers. When somone wishes to flex their power muscles they have only so many options. Bullying is the easiest. Single out someone,make them miserable and the others will fear you. Sad but true. Learning to show your power by being gracious and caring takes more work and a true sense of self. Who teaches a child? Their family, their teachers,their neighbors..... My father was a Bully, My mother was a caring loving person. We feared him and respected her. In our best moments we mirrior Mom's way of thinking and unfortunately in our worst moments you'll see reminders of our father.
12:44 AM on 09/04/2011
Most of it goes right back to the way any child is parented, in how they were raised, but the child also takes on their own personality whenever they are away from home and on their own, so to speak in school. Either way there are so many ways to deal with these issues and talk to our kids about it all.
But I think the most important thing in all of this has, is to have our kids be able to come directly to their parent and express their feelings and ask for advice on what is going on in their own lives. We as parents need to let our kids know that we are there for them and will help them out along the way.
It is a wonderful feeling to be able sit down and listen, then hand out our best advice. What is even better is whenever they take that advice and they respect and understand what you are saying to them.
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12:19 AM on 09/04/2011
Men learn early in life that women/girls are not exactly sugar and spice. And, once you're married the evidence is everywhere.