she will just change her mind and her stance in another day...
http://johnnydoom.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-vows-to-change-campaign-stance.html
To be a winner you have to win. And Tuesday night Hillary Clinton unreservedly won three out of four states. Barack Obama, however, has won twice as many primary and caucus states overall, leads substantially in the popular vote and continues to hold a mathematically insurmountable lead in elected delegates.
For two or three days, the Clinton campaign will spin itself -and the media--silly, breathlessly celebrating her overwhelming victories in Rhode Island and Ohio and her squeaker in Texas.
After the confetti is swept and the champagne bottles are tossed a more sober reality will take hold. Not just that her net gain of delegates this week will be, at most, in the single digits. But worse. There is no plausible scenario in which Clinton can win the nomination. At least not democratically.
Seven more weeks of campaign slog through Wyoming, Mississippi and into Pennsylvania. And then maybe tack on six more weeks, if you can believe it, into Indiana , West Virginia, and a handful of other states and into Puerto Rico on the 7th of June, quite literally into D-Day. Whatever the outcome, even if Clinton wins all 16 remaining contests -and some of them by veritable landslides, she will still be dozens of elected delegates behind Barack Obama.
She will not be the winner because she will have not won the majority of elected Democratic delegates. Clinton will be exactly where she was the night before Ohio and Texas: in second place and with no way to become the nominee unless enough unelected Superdelegates defy the popular will of the electorate and throw her the nomination (or unless you somehow believe that she can every coming primary with a 20 point margin).
Indeed, as Jonathan Alter has pointed out, Clinton can't win an elected majority even if she triumphs in what are now likely to be re-scheduled primaries in the cranky states of Michigan and Florida. Again, we'd be back to the Superdelegates and, therefore, back to a dicey game of chicken by the Democratic Party elite. How many Superdelegates are willing to politically die, or willing to spark an intra-party party civil war, just to save Clinton's bacon?
"The 1968 Chicago convention would look like a picnic compared to what Denver would become," a long-time political biographer said on election eve, predicting a youth uprising at the site of this summer's Democratic Convention if the election is thrown to Clinton. "This isn't 40 years ago," he said. "Now, everyone's got a car. And everyone who believed in the change that Clinton scoffs at would wind up surrounding that convention."
Maybe. Maybe not. Who am I to predict that the Democrats are too smart to self-destruct in what should be, by all other measures, a watershed year? The more steely-eyed amongst us, then, would do well to psychologically prepare for the nomination going, somehow or another, to Hillary Clinton. Which means, in turn, that Democrats ought to simultaneously prepare to be beaten by John McCain.
Clinton regained her footing this past week primarily by running a classic, Republican-style campaign of negative, fear-based ads. She blanketed the airwaves with a detestable spot that, stripped to its core message, warned that if Obama were selected, your children could be murdered in their beds in the middle of the night. Somewhere up above (or more likely from down below), departed GOP mudmeister Lee Atwater is cracking a grin.
The spot worked so well - with exit polls showing that voters who made a last-minute decision went in droves for Clinton-- that she couldn't resist reprising the line during her Tuesday night victory speech delivered to a cheering throng in Columbus. "When that phone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House," she said. "There's no time for speeches or on on-the-job training."
Perfect. Clinton's done McCain the favor of cutting his best general election campaign spot for him. All he has to do is cut her answering the phone out of the last 5 seconds of the ad and splice his own mug in there instead. If Clinton succeeds in making what's politely called the "national security issue" the center of the campaign by arguing she's a safer choice than Obama, then why wouldn't McCain argue that he's even better than she? McCain's already begun that effort. If Hillary's nominated, he'll most likely succeed.
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she will just change her mind and her stance in another day...
http://johnnydoom.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-vows-to-change-campaign-stance.html
Time for a little reality, everyone. So far, Obama has clearly won the national popular vote, even if you add in Florida and Michigan. (There are four states that haven't yet reported and he won three of them overwhelmingly.) He's also won the delegate count so far, whether or not you include superdelegates. Obama has also overwhelmingly won more states. There is not a single criteria by which Clinton can consider herself leading. Not one.
Voters can still choose to support one or the other candidate, and Clinton can still choose to continue running, as is any citizen's right and privilege in the U.S., but there are simple things called facts to be reckoned with. The simple fact is that Clinton can only get the nomination if superdelegates give it to her despite most voters giving it to Obama. Despite her handful of high-profile victories, Clinton has lost the majority of voters, the majority of states, and the majority of proportionally-awarded regular delegates. This is not something she can reverse with grand gestures, cockiness, confidence, or fear.
there's still more states to vote, and it can change, because it's close--if you allow voters in Florida and Michigan to count. That's why it will be rough if the margin of the win for Barack in pledged delegates, or the popular vote for that matter, is less than those states votes. Something will have to give if that happens.
Hillary's ad wouldn't have been nearly as affective if it hadn't been for the cooperation of the television news reporters. They gave the offensive ad more free air time than the Clinton campaign could ever afford and made sure that every television viewer in America saw the 3:am phone ringing at least once. Something seems wrong with that, and depressingly unfair.
I have yet to see this question answered on any news cast, blog of even Sen Clinton's website:
On what does she base her foreign policy experience? What crisis has she ever fixed? What war or conflict did she help avert? What treaty did she negotiate?
Why can't anybody answer those questions??????????
She "fixed" the potential crisis of having a First Divorce, by standing by her man...
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stop watching tv.
Here's one answer: Personal foreign influence peddling, at the expense of national policy and diplomacy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-brady-kiesling/reining-in-the-ethnic-lob_b_77661.html
Bear in mind, that
1) the classic Red Phone is only going to ring if President Medvedyev wants to TALK about the issue (rather than let his Bears do the talking for him),
2) so-called "terrorists," likewise, will let the crisis speak for itself,
3) lacking such a fait-accompli, an issue of concern will allow days, in which to address the level and type of response.
The RedPhone@3AM meme is as fictional as the TickingBombJustfiesTorture meme, if less morally corrupt.
Lastly, don't EVER forget that
4) it's US who have made the world as dangerous to Americans as it is now. WE made sure that we're hated the world over, by explicitly disdaining our manifold opportunities to discuss our differences in a civil fashion with other nations. Reacting out of fear and hate, to threats from others, will only make our situation worse, in regards to the opinions and actions of other peoples.
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stop watching tv
If you really want to be enlightened on Obama; read Joe Wilson's (Valerie Plame husband) on his statements ..right here on Huffington Post..Obama
makes a hypocrit of himsilf by what he actually said in his book..Audasity of Hope"..according to Joe ; ....Obama admitted himself in his book that he
was priivy to American Intelligence he might have voted the same.......but of course he Obama was tring to get elected to the state senate..(Not
the US) in a very liberal area...where all they wanted to hear was anti war......hell John Kerry, John Rockefeller, Chris Dodd, Tom Daschle, Ben
Nelson...all of them Obama supporters and they all voted just as Hillary did on Iraq in 2002. Obama had a state senate job a part time job at
best...and he wouldn't even commit himselves to a position there...by only voting present.......saving himself from any scruitiny that could have
come his way , had he actually done his job, and taken an actual position. So it is easy to say I would have, or I did.....but you cant say I voted
against the war from the beginning if you were NOT entitled to vote as you were not a senator til Jan 2005
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html
Hey, hold the phone here. Obama is saying that the media is being unfair and he is absolutely correct. There was 5 contests on March 4th. Hillary won 3 out of 5 and Obama won 1. The 5th one they are still counting votes. So, with this being what is happening why is the media ignoring that Obama is ahead in the Texas Caucus? When the media mentions that Hillary won Texas they don't say she won the Texas Primary. How can they by their omission of primary or caucus truly be unbiased and represent the true facts. Seems very obvious to me that Obama is correct in what he says. If Obama wins the Texas Caucus is the media going to say that Obama won Texas? I don't think so.
you know everyone would care more about the texas caucus if in the general election the texas electoral delegates were actually awarded based on a caucus system--BUT they're not. Everything in the electoral college in the general is based on primary-type voting. So, if you want to nominate the guy who can win caucuses, go ahead. But Hillary has shown that she wins elections, especially in those states that the dems have a chance in hell of winning. That's why no one cares if Barack wins the texas caucus--it just shows how "undemocratic" the nominating process is anyway regardless of the whole superdelegate issue.
I am an independent voter (thank God!) and I must point out a very important fact that I think many Dems forget. I voted for Obama because he is a uniting force, his past comments about Reagan being a transformational leader are true. Those comments and other very promising insights that he uniquely displays lead me to have unwavering confidence that he can truly do what I know Hillary cannot. And that is UNITE the American people. Hillary began the negative tone of this race from the start, but especially after Obama won in Iowa, she brought out the "But I deserve the nomination" approach and now the kitchen sink smut. The fact that she draws this very strange sympathy vote in some states suggests a very deep problem with ignorance and the media that we face as a nation selecting a leader. Well, I don't have one ounce of sympathy for a wealthy corporate lawyer turned Carpetbagger Senator that uses Arkansas brand race baiting and Little Rock Mafia kneecapping to gain elected office. It is so plain that Obama has authenticity and is a powerful orginal thinker because that is how he runs his campaign. Hillary's wins in ALL the bigger states are truly statiscal dead heats. She has earned no mandate, she is still behind in delegates after "winning" last Tuesday. Understand that this desire to be crowned President is the underlying negative that follows her like a dark shadow. Her history and record are divisive, just do a fact check on her role in the 94 Republican congressional Victory that held dominance for 12 years, Newt had her number, and so will McCain. Obama supporters are not blindly following a man, they are following a vision, and that vision is possible for America, unless the dinosaurs that support the Hillary cult somehow force the Dems to concede to the past.
If that happens... as an independent I will vote for McCain, not because I agree with him in most issues, but because he displays the talent to reach across the aisle, not to the extent that an Obama could, but far surpassing the Clinton model of my way or the highway. George W Bush failed in his Presidency because he could never reach consensus with the American people on any issue, but of course he doesn't care about consensus. Hillary Clinton will never form consensus, her campaign numbers prove that fact!
What we need in a President is that elusive ability to form consensus and that is what Independent voters will flock to in November.
"Hillary Clinton will never form consensus, her campaign numbers prove that fact!"
If by that you mean being neck-in-neck with her opponent is a campaign "failure", then the same argument could be used where Obama is concerned.
"Obama supporters are not blindly following a man, they are following a vision, and that vision is possible for America"
The mis-guided voters that supported GW in the last two elections were following his "vision" as well. Barack does not hold a patent on Vision, every one of us has one of our own, even if you don't agree with it's principles.
utter nonsense BardEric; Obama has proven statiscally that his candidacy can create majorities that are far beyond the Clinton 50/50 scope. She will lose to McCain. Hands down. Obama wil win with over 50 percent of the vote. Independants like him, not her.
The only problem is every consensus he had, he has changed his tune on now. He sold his sole to the RNC. There will be no more consensus with the new and not improved McBush.
Every primary voter who hasn't voted yet should read this.
Well said, sir. well said.
The question no one is asking is this. If Hilary doesn't trust Obama to answer the phone as president, then how can she trust him to answer the phone as her VP?
The answer is all she cares about is being president and to heel with the country. You shouldn't want anything that much.
I love politics!!!
Well, isn't she just saying that she's the better candidate for the job?
No. In fact, what she's been saying is that both she and McCain are more qualified than Obama. She's said stuff like, "Both Sen. McCain and I have years of experience... blah blah blah... and all Sen. Obama has is a speech he made in 2002." Ie, she's boosting the Republican candidate ahead of her Democratic rival. If that doesn't turn Democrats against her, then the Democratic Party has a huge collective death wish.
If you can't win Ohio and Florida the election is over. We've seen how that plays out twice already. Nominate Obama and prepare for another heartbreak. Hillary can win.
Winning the Democratic primary in OH is not the same as winning the general election in OH.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/
Yet another poll, this one by SurveyUSA that interviewed 30K people, shows, surprise, surprise, Obama beats McCain.
marky1 your are one of the sheep that believe anything Hillary says. Hillary will not become president because if she become the nominee there are huge pockets that wont vote or will vote gop.
Look how she just won in democratic primaries with little to no help from the black community -- probably unprecedented.
She will do just fine, but there are those of us that will find it difficult to vote democratic if she is not the nominee, but we will finally do the right thing -- because no one wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, or to put McCain in there.
Either way, she will do fine, thank you. GO HILLARY!!!
Monique's post is code for "slightly racist Democrats prefer Clinton" and then throw in the bogey man of the Supreme Court because after all there are those that believe that the Democratic party really should be only a single issue party (abortion on demand - deal with it or you must be a Republican.)
This is the reason why Clinton can never win because there is no real vision.
jdkjdk,
No, I am not slightly racist or racist at all, but you are pathetic -- and not very smart. Behaving in such an inflammatory way does your candidate no good. If he is the candidate of hope and change, people like you do not represent him well.
I was simply pointing out the demographics that she is attracting. Obviously, Obama is carrying the black vote -- and if you know anything about democratic politics, which you probably do not, the democrats always carry the black vote, as they should since their party is responsible for civil rights, whether it be for blacks, women, or any minority.
You do not even know me. And I guess I can be glad that I do not know you. Because you sound angry and mean.
Whether you are aware of it are not your statement that democrats always carry the black vote is racist. It also misses 2 very important points. 1. If a small number of balcks vote in an election because they dont believe you represent their interests that it doesnt matter because the percentage is insignificant. 2. When you insult the black voter by denigrating your black opponent and having your campaign making racist comments you probably wont get a lot of votes fromthat particular demographic. This is what angers progressives as we watch her campaign descend into sleazy GOP style campaigning. She believes that the left wing of the party will vote for ANY democrat. If she believes that the supporters of Obama will support her in November if she manages to get the super delegates to vote against the popular vote she needs to put the bong down. The left wing of this country has had enough of these middle of the road democrats. By the way your previous post implies that Obama would not protect a womans right to choose. You should do a little research about this. I take issue when I read posts here that repeat campaign talking points that I know to be false. You probably assume that what your candidate has to say is true. Sadly I believe that somewhere along the way Hillary lost her way. She seems to have no problem in distorting the positions of her opponent. I am not angry nor am I mean I just want this country to be the best it can be and dont believe that Hillary can motivate us in the same way that Obama can. Its not about race or gender, its about style. She doesnt inspire, she divides.
I work in retail sales and talk to a lot of ordinary people every day. I'm a progressive democrat but tend to listen more than talk when people bring up politics. Do you know what I hear over and over again, across the economic spectrum? PEOPLE REALLY HATE HILLARY. The people that like her like her, but the people that hate her REALLY hate her. I've also heard from lots of republicans and independent types, and I've heard many of them say they would consider voting for Barak. They like him. In a general election people vote for the person they respond to in their gut. They vote for the most likeable candidate. Get it through your heads fellow democrats. Huge numbers of people hate HIllary, fair or not. Huge numbers of people are inspired by Barak. They sense something in him that is real. Something we need. A leader. If it was all about experience Bob Dole would have been president. John Kerry. Michael Dukakis. Think! We can't risk losing this one.
This is what I hear also - that a LOT of people really can't stand Hillary. It seems to me that she comes to this race pre-loaded with a massive public relations problem that transcends any 'historic' electoral uncertainty about candidate gender or skin color. The problem is specific to Hillary Clinton.
If she comes up with the nomination I think Hillary's supporters can wave signs and shout "woo! - go Hillary!" all they want from now until election day and then face the music on Nov 12th. We all will.
You've got it totally correct.
In old fashioned political terms: "just talk to the cab drivers."
In pollster terms, the Clinton negatives are so high that she can't possibly win in the general election.
This has all been known for quite some time.
There will be no Perot, to help her win in a general election like her husband won. On the other hand, given that her ostensible experience begins with her work for McGovern, she'll at least be familiar with the concept of being crushed.
Nor is it likely that McCain will pull a "Poland is free" blunder like Ford, although we can hope the Hagee thing will be the equivalent.
Actually, her experience begins with her work for Goldwater. But you're right. He was crushed, too.
No Perot to help her win..Um Looks Nader is doing a fair Perot impression from where I sit...
Um, except that Nader would be the anti-Perot. Not likely that his entering the race would be in any way helpful to HRC.
Posted March 5, 2008 | 01:38 AM (EST)