When I Think of Tibet

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As the weeks go by and tensions and violence escalate in Tibet, it makes me more and more anxious. Tibet is a beautiful, mysterious country. I visited many years ago, and although there were always problems (I remember one incident when my travel party was delayed for several hours because of public executions!!) it was much calmer than it is now.

There isn't enough air, which makes everyone who is just visiting a little high. To add to the trippy nature of the place, pretty much every site is religious. Even the graffiti is of different incarnations of Buddha - painted all over the sides of mountain rocks. If you felt sick, you were encouraged to meditate on the cool, indigo blue medicine Buddha, the deity whose color reminded me of the Milk of Magnesia bottle, whose image would soothe, coat and relieve as you pondered upon it. Tibet has the most challenging toilets in the world. I have been everywhere and I can attest to that! Hands down, Tibet is the number one worst place to go number two.

But to counter that, Tibet has the best-looking people in the world. They are Asian but with light eyes! Like green and blue! So everyone kind of looks like they are wearing contacts but they are not. I remember sitting in the courtyard of the Drepung monastery, watching all the gorgeously hot monks draped in their deep red robes, flinging their prayer beads at each other as they argued about philosophy while trying to steal looks at us at the same time. I know you aren't supposed to hit on celibate people so I just sat on my hands the whole time and tried not to make eye contact for more than three seconds. Girl, it was hard!

I also loved the dog monastery, a special temple for wayward monks who have reincarnated into dogs. The grounds are covered in dogs of every size and shape and breed and hue, silently pondering the cycle of birth and rebirth. Squirming litters of puppies wriggle underneath their dog mothers and their distinguished elders nap in the patches of sun breaking through the clouds. There is no barking, no howling, no fighting, and miracles of miracles -- no poo! -- nothing but the quiet mediation of dogs and monks. You are allowed to feed the dogs small pieces of dough, and they actually wait in line! When I think of Tibet, I remember the politeness of the dogs, pulling back their dog lips and ever so gently taking the food from my hand with their open teeth, not wanting to bite my hand accidentally and then looking warmly into my eyes with a silent thanks. The thought of rioting and looting and blood in the streets there is too painful to comprehend.


 

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Interesting piece in the Washington Post by China's leading human rights activist just imprisoned by the PRC for daring to speak the truth in his own country!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/04/AR2008040402982.html?
hpid=opinionsbox1

And in case that address doesn't work properly here is the article it was taken from on HuffPO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flumenbaum/chinas-censorship-seesaw_b_95438.html

A few of his quotes:

"To clear space for Olympic-related construction, thousands of civilian houses have been destroyed without their former owners being properly compensated. It has been reported that over 1.25 million people have been forced to move because of Olympic construction...No formal resettlement scheme is in place...Street vendors have suffered brutal confiscation of their goods by municipal agents. On July 20, 2005, Lin Hongying, a 56-year-old woman farmer and vegetable dealer, was beaten to death by city patrols in Jiangsu...The blind activist Chen Guangcheng, recipient of the 2007 Ramon Magsaysay Award and named in 2006 by Time Magazine as one of the most influential 100 people shaping our world, is still serving his sentence of four years and three months for exposing the truth of forced abortion and sterilization...35 Chinese journalists and 51 writers are still in prison...China has the highest death penalty rate in the world, experts estimate that 8,000-10,000 people are sentenced to death in China every year,

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/07/2008

Regarding Teng Biao, Hu Jia and Chen Guangcheng, in my view, foreigners can help China by using the same arguments that these activists themselves use - Chinese society needs to follow and enforce Chinese law.

In my view, it would hurt the efforts of these activists if foreigners use their "insider" critiques of the Chinese government as a basis for "China-bashing" and advocating breakdown of relations. These would be moving backward, not forward. So advocating boycotts of any kind (whether economic or sporting or cultural or political) would tend to worsen the civil rights environment in China.

There is also the danger of "human rights imperialism". Google this term and decide for yourself.

In the U.S., there is the danger that demonizing China on human rights will lead to a breakdown in relations, and a rise of jingoism. It's happened before.

Personally I believe in building strong economic, cultural, educational, charitable, and yes, sporting ties, to create stronger civil institutions in China as the best way to promote civil rights there. For example, the Strategic Economic Dialogue is very important for both Americans and Chinese (http://www.ustreas.gov/initiatives/us-china/) and should be supported. For these reasons the Olympics should be supported fully.

I believe Teng Biao, Hu Jia and Chen Guangcheng. I don't believe all the exaggerations, half-truths and propaganda from the Tibetan exiles. I don't agree with calling for boycotting the Olympics or interfering with the torch relay.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 04/07/2008

Ypi just don't get it. This isn't just about lofty civil rights goals - its about having Tibetan people having some control over their own government and culture. Its about the Tibetan people being ruled at the local, state and national level by the Han. Its about having their traditional lands confiscated and redistributed to Han settlers. Its about having your culture degraded by Han institutions. They don't want to be Chinese, they don't want to have their culture wiped out by Chinese culture. They desire some measure of governmental and cultural autonomy.

You say "Personally I believe in building strong economic, cultural, educational, charitable, and yes, sporting ties, to create stronger civil institutions in China"

Thats great for China, but how does it help the Tibetans feel like they have some measure of representation?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 04/07/2008

Cynara, the other perspective I'm coming from is that at the end of the day, we only belong to one race - the human race.

We celebrate our diversity of religions and cultures, but we don't do this justice by separatism and segregation, for the most part. The solution for racial and ethnic conflict in the U.S. and other places is through integration. Yes, it can be done in clumsy ways that may create more anger and discontent - like busing. It can be prevented in many ways, like gerrymandering. But at the end of the day, the best hope is that people just try to get along, and our leaders have the wisdom to give us social solutions that reduce unnecessary conflict. I hate listening to FoxNews and O'Reilly. I see the same solution to China and Tibetan ethnic conflict. There are a huge diversity of language and culture and dialects in China. In case you did not know, even among Han Chinese there is a huge diversity of history and dialect and culture. And we do Chinese Tibetan relations an injustice if we go down the route of separatism and segregation (which some people want).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 04/07/2008

Cynara, we're clearly operating on a different set of assumptions about Tibetans. I'm basing my views partly on this: "How Repressive Is the Chinese Government in Tibet?" http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=2732.

"It is true, he said, that there have been significant inroads of Chinese culture into Tibet since the forcible takeover in 1959, but there has been an even greater influx of Western culture. "By not defining cultural genocide the Tibetan exiles can label any changes from 1959 as cultural genocide, although many of these changes could be expected to have occurred without the issue of cultural genocide arising.""

"On claimed declines in Tibetan population, [Barry Sautman] cited articles in the Columbia Journal of Asian Law and by an Australian Chinese demographer in Asian Ethnicity in 2000. "What I think these articles show is that there is no evidence of significant population losses over the whole period from the 1950s to the present. ....There are no bases at all for the figures used regularly by the exile groups. They use the figure of 1.2 million Tibetans dying from the 1950s to the 1970s, but no source for this is given. As a lawyer I give no credence to statistics for which there is no data, no visible basis."
There are some countervailing comments there by other scholars, I'll let you cite them. You gotta take what the exiles say with a big grain of salt because they have their own agenda.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 04/07/2008

cyanara, yup, it's just another soft soap ad for the PRC written in the calm and reasonable tone that their supporters affect as the voice to the face they wish to present to the world. Of course it's bogus. If they treat their own people with the sort of viciousness and callous disregard for rights and freedoms that the now imprisoned author of that piece describes, I can only imagine the horrors that those who are not "Han" face in Tibet, Mongolia and elsewhere.

I do not believe in rewarding bullies, tyrants, or oppressors of Any stripe! The subtle shift in mood here from conviviality--were all just chums sitting down for a nice cold one and hashing out these complex political issues together--to threat and bluster--Civil Rights will worsen, international Relations will break down--all because we point to their obvious human rights crimes and expect them to behave more civilly? I missed the part on how that's my problem? But when you front for a repressive regime, I guess it's just part of the policy to try and shift the responsibility from your shoulders to anyone else's!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 04/07/2008

Rule of Law, I don't know why you say my views are "bogus". Take a look at this:

http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html

"The purpose of the program at this stage is to keep the political concept of an autonomous Tibet alive within Tibet and among foreign nations, principally India, .....

3. Background and Objectives....

....The [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] will stay in direct touch with Dharmsala and will conduct political correspondence with Tibetan refugee groups [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to create an increased Tibetan national political consciousness among these refugees."

We spent $1.7 million a year in the 1960's to do this. What a waste of money!

Why did we have to create a "Tibetan national political consciousness?"

During the 1960's when our cities were burning from race riots, could the money have been better spent ? Foreign humanitarian aide, okay, but foreign political propaganda?

Am I being a China propagandist to say that I would rather our government use the money to address American problems at home?
Is it any wonder that the Chinese are suspicious of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan exile movement?

You could say this was all cold war thinking, that we aren't doing it today anymore, but aren't we doing the same thing by supporting Tibetan independence? Are we citizens just believing our own government's propaganda? That's the question I'm trying to answer....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 04/08/2008

Rule of Law, the activities of Teng Biao, Hu Jia and Chen Guangcheng are admirable. Teng Biao and Chen Guangcheng are both civil rights lawyers who are reforming the system from within, using legal means, to promote the Rule of Law in China. They aim to institutionalize civil rights in China by basing their activities on Chinese law. They challenge the system to put the muscle behind the skeletal legal framework which China has built in the last 30 years of reform.

They have allies within the Chinese government who are seeking to create a strong civil rights system.

Most foreigners often do not understand the central vs local government conflict. The U.S.1960's Civil Rights Movement involved (mostly) abusive local government, with the feds being asked to extend Constitutional rights to the States. The Chinese central government is generally better than the often inept and corrupt local government. But the problems are too many and will take the central government decades to manage. Think Tammany Hall, Chicago Daly Machine and New Orleans police, multiplied by 1,000 - how to solve them all at one time? Not sure popular voting will do it.

These reformist activities should be supported by the international community to the extent that it promotes positive change in China. Foreigners need to be very sensitive that well-meaning "help" doesn't set back the civil rights movement by strengthening the hand of hardliners.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 04/07/2008

Jeff Lee, Vancouver Sun
Published: Sunday, April 06, 2008

BEIJING - Saying Tibet is "China's problem," a high-ranking Olympic official warned athletes Saturday not to engage in political protests at the 2008 Beijing Summer Games or risk serious sanctions.

Mario Vazquez Rana, president of the Association of National Olympic Committees, also became the latest IOC official to dismiss calls for a boycott by some European politicians, whom he said are "committing a serious error" by trying to link China's treatment of Tibet to the Olympics.

Ok, so let's get this straight Mario---the invasion, murder of thousands and 60 years of enslavement is "China's problem," not a concern for every humanitarian in the world? Not an issue for people with consciences and hearts?

Sanctions will be enforced against athletes who dare question your insane Party Line? Sounds like a threat. And nations, like France, showing much more courage than this beaten dog of a country, also face your implied threat for their "serious errors?" You do realize, Mario, how damned much your talk sounds like something from the mouths of the PRC ministry of Crappola?

Tell you what, Mario--You want to remove politics from the Olympics, then lets' start by throwing out all those national uniforms and flags and banners and chants of "USA USA" etc etc. Because, my weaselly little friend, the olympics have been Nothing But an excuse for Politics and National Pride since the very first one. At least those guys played naked.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 04/06/2008

This is the behavior of bullies. The behavior of a totalitarian tyranny so weak that just the picture of the Dalai Lama makes them shake in their jack boots. An entire government built on fear and lies that does not have the courage of its own convictions; the strength to allow open and free discourse, free press, and Freedom for those who seek it.

BEIJING (AFP) - China's top official in Tibet, rejecting a demand of activists around the world, has insisted that the Beijing Olympics torch relay will pass through the Himalayan region as planned.
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The iconic flame was Sunday carried through London, where demonstrations against the Chinese crackdown in Tibet saw 37 protesters arrested, but the Dalai Lama urged Tibetan exiles not to disrupt events leading up to the Games.

Zhang Qingli, the most senior Chinese Communist Party official in Tibet, told local leaders that Beijing was in no mood to listen to the demands of demonstrators calling for the route to be changed.

The PRC INSISTS! They are in NO MOOD! They will have what they want, when they want it, because, as their minister of BS says, "You're not the boss of me!" What cowards and bullies they are.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/06/2008

"The thought of rioting and looting and blood in the streets there is too painful to comprehend."

What about here, as the depression deepens and there's no impeachment?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 04/06/2008

23, you know, as a fan, i agree that our country sets one of the worst examples in the world. And that's the direction these spooks want to take the discussion, because they thrive on distraction and obfuscation. Throw enough rice up into the air and hope that the chaff blinds the world to your militaristic imperialism and weak justifications.

What they still don't get is that over 70% of Americans hate what this regime (Bush) has done and won't argue any of those points here. So their entire strategy of pushing our faces in what this rogue government of ours has done, and then trying to equate That Bad Behavior with what the PRC does as some warped sort of rationale, just doesn't wash! These guys are supposed to be the next rulers of the world, if you buy into their party line, and they can't even figure something as simple as that out?. What dupes.

Saying that America has made mistakes, and we have--what country hasn't?--as a way of excusing their subjugation of not just Tibet, but Mongolia, and many smaller ethnic sects that are persecuted and never reported on, is the Global equivalent of 3rd grade playground, "Well, Johnny did it too...!" Bs. If that's their best shot, then they have a long way to go to supplant the old European families that run this world and are bleeding us dry.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 04/06/2008

i don't get it. i think it is just bad timing. the dogs in line was funny but chinese imperialism is no joke!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 04/06/2008


Thursday February 28, 2008
China detains Mongolian dissident at airport - report

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese police detained an ethnic Mongolian dissident at Beijing airport as he arrived from Mongolia, a country of which he is now a citizen, according to a report from an exiled human rights group.

Jiranbayariin Soyolt, originally from China's Inner Mongolia, was placed in handcuffs when he landed on Jan. 7 from Ulan Bator for a business trip, the Southern Mongolian Human Rights Information Centre said in an emailed statement.

Soyolt was a leader of the 1981 Mongolian Student Movement, which was formed to protest Chinese government plans to move Han Chinese into Inner Mongolia, the group said. He went into exile in Mongolia in 1992 and was granted citizenship there in 1997.

His detention has only just come to light because the Chinese government had told his family not to talk to the press "in order not to make things worse", the statement said.

"Under this threat, family members and friends of Soyolt have kept quiet and waited for his release until fairly recently," it added.

It is not clear exactly why he has been held, though the group cited him as telling his business partner that it was because there was "some issue with his passport".

Decades of migration by the dominant Han have made Chinese Mongolians a minority in their own land, officially comprising less than 20 percent of the almost 24 million population of the Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/06/2008

Tibet isn't China's only problem. Resentment still simmers in its traditionally Muslim Central Asian frontier, which shares borders with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Russia, among other countries.

The ethnic problems in Xinjiang for Beijing come on top of nearly a month of anti-government riots and protests in Tibet and in several other provinces with sizable Tibetan populations.

China has often used harsh repression to control the Uighurs, who speak a Turkic language and whose customs and religion are distinct from the ethnic majority Han Chinese. The government has also flooded Xinjiang, which means "New Frontier," with military personnel and migrants who control much of the economy, fueled by rich oil and natural gas reserves.

"They have no culture and they don't try to study and improve themselves," said a Chinese delivery driver who would only give his surname, Wang, because he said the government didn't want him to speak ill of the Uighurs. "Most businesses don't want to hire them. That's why they hire Han Chinese. Their religion, Islam, it's no good. It fills their heads with nonsense."

Ah, yes; The voice of the "New China," all tolerance and acceptance and brotherhood. Except if there is much needed oil or natural gas involved. Look for open rebellion soon in Mongolia as well...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/06/2008

The jailing of prominent Chinese dissident Hu Jia on Thursday for subversion added to concerns around the world that the human rights situation in China was worsening ahead of the Games.

But China showed no signs of backing down on Saturday.

The state-run Tibet Daily quoted the region's deputy Communist Party chief as telling a group of influential monks that "reinforcing patriotic education" was now a top priority.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/06/2008
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Shanghaislim - I posted most of this earlier, but it's way back there, so to bring it to the fore:

In 1959, 10,000 Tibetans were killed by Chinese troops, who had been sent to Tibet to crush a rebellion.....and crush it they did, as well as turn Tibet into a Chinese Military camp. In 1959, the Tibetans were protesting 10 years of Chinese occupation.

Now, in the last few years, the Chinese have come up with a better plan...they've built a railroad straight to Tibet - to flood it with tacky Chinese tourists year around. And, they've also flooded Tibet with gaudy Han Chinese shops and Han immigrants. Now if this doesn't destroy the Tibetan Culture, nothing will. In addition, if there are any minerals or other natural resources to dig up and exploit, the Chinese will hire the new immigrants and Tibetans at cheap slave labor wages.....sort of like in China Proper.

Now, in the last few weeks, there have been new protests and lo and behold!!! Here come the Chinese troops and security forces to gas, beat, and shoot the protestors. Nothing has changed really, except it looks like the Chinese will finally succeed in destroying Tibetan culture once and for all.

Shanghaislim, you seem to have read quite a bit about Chinese History, but there's nothing like a current club in the face or bullet to the head to make all historical reference praising the Chinese go right down the toxic toilet.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 04/06/2008

marko77, to be fair, it is deplorable that traditional Tibetan culture loses out. But isn't this an issue generally of globalization, modernity, and rising incomes, and technological change?

So Western tourists who go to Dharamsala to imbibe the mysteries of Tibetan Buddhism have no impact at all on traditional Tibetan culture?
The Tibetan exiles who have learned English and become activists, wearing blue jeans, like rock music and using mobile phones - this is not evidence of "destroying" traditional Tibetan culture? I'm sure there was a whole lot of that in the traditional theocratic feudal society of pre-1959 Tibet. Why is this not considered "cultural genocide?" Western culture is sweeping the globe, and China as well. Is this not also cultural genocide? Would you say no to Starbucks in Tibet? How about a 5-star hotel?

We worry about the dying out of all kinds of traditional cultures in the U.S. Mississippi Delta Blues is an important cultural tradition, but preserving it shouldn't be an argument to stop economic development efforts in the deep South. The issue is appropriate sensitivity which is appropriate to discuss.

The reality is that culture evolves in the face of changes in technology. Your view is positively Luddite. No, actually, its racist and elitist: Get me away from the "tacky Chinese tourists". Ewww! What if I wrote "tacky white American tourists" should stay out of New Orleans?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 04/06/2008

"...it is deplorable that traditional Tibetan culture loses out. But isn't this an issue generally of globalization, modernity, and rising incomes, and technological change?"

All of the things you mentioned do tend weaken traditional cultures, but traditional cultures usually invite these changes into their lives. But Tibetan culture is being weakened much quicker and much more deliberately by a force that they did not choose to let in - the Han government and people. Tibetan culture is being affected by Han settlers flooding in Lhasa, controling local businesses and politics, and constructing houses on what was Tibetan land.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 04/07/2008

Dude, what has China done to preserve their culture? Tibet has enjoyed a historically unique culture due to it's adjacency to India. When Buddhism fell in India, a lot of Monks left India for China through Tibet (to escape persecution). The native Han's always distrusted these immigrants and this is even apparent in today's Chinese pop culture (anyone remember Chinese Ghost Story?"...

I suggest you ramp up on history ...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/06/2008

Your logic runs: "Economic prosperity = Chinese totalitarianism, disregard for human rights, systematic, intentional destruction of a culture for the purpose of political domination." Tibet can enjoy economic prosperity only if China depotically runs the country? True, western tourists "contaminate" older non-western cultures simply by being there -- but the western tourists who visit Tibet are there to celebrate Tibetan culture, not to invade and occupy the country or to suppress the customs and order of the culture.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 04/06/2008

wonderingstar

I would oppose 5 star hotels and Starbucks in Tibet because both will destroy the age-old pristine atmosphere, although that has already begun. There's more to life than "flash and trash," but if that's what you want, you can find it in many other places.

What is "luddite" about wanting to preserve a unique and age-old atmosphere? What does that have to do with resisting new technology??? I think nothing. Must all the countries on the world become subservient to the whims and wishes of the well-connected and ecomomically powerful?? I hope not.

"Tacky white American tourists" visit New Orleans all the time, and there's no problem there - but tacky Chinese tourists will help to turn Tibet into a Disneyland that is not wanted or needed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 04/06/2008

Excellent post, Mark!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/06/2008

The incident was sparked when a team of government officials attempted to enforce patriotic education at the Tongkor monastery in the Garze Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, according to the London-based Free Tibet Campaign and the International Campaign for Tibet.

But the monks refused to criticize the Dalai Lama, and thousands of paramilitary troops searched the monastery for pictures of the exiled Tibetan leader. Two monks were detained after his pictures were found in their quarters.

Troops opened fire on a crowd of several hundred Buddhist monks and several hundred more citizens who had marched on local government offices in Donggu town to demand the release of the monks, the activist groups said.

The U.S. government-funded Radio Free Asia said Saturday it had unconfirmed reports that up to 15 people were killed and dozens more injured in the violence.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 04/05/2008

That is so sad... they are trying to erase the Dalai Lama from people's consciousness. I can only assume what they are attempting is cultural genocide, where new generations of tibetans will grow up not knowing about the dalai lama, or tibetan culture.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 04/06/2008

It is confirmed that hundreds of thousands of Iraqs have died as a result of the Ameican invasion of Iraq in what was purported to be an attempt to impose American values and ways on the Iraqis. However, it is know the real reason was to gain control over oil. Four thousand American soldiers have been killed and tens of thousands have suffered serious injuries. Many American contractors have also been killed. The Iraqi infrastructure has collapsed and Iraqis live with electricity shotages which limit them to only a few hours of electricity a day. Violence has caused infinite damage to homes and religious sites. The museum which housed the most important relics concerning the emrgence of civillization was looted despite the promises of President G. W. Bush to protect it. American tanks and personnel situated close to the museum did nothing to protect this museum but American tanks and personnel did protect the Iraqi Ministry of Oi.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 04/06/2008

I think what happened in Iraq was a crime. What happened in Tibet is also a crime. I oppose imperialism where ever it happens - in Iraq or Tibet. I hope that after the election, Bush officials will be prosecuted for war crimes. I am very doubtful that the Chinese government will ever be forced to face trial for their crimes in Tibet.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 04/07/2008

How can you compare Iraq with Tibet? I am not saying I was ever for Iraq war, but at least free press is allowed there, when the government changes in Nov., we will pull out. We never invaded because we thought it was our historic right to, because some 8th century king said somewhere that Iraq was part of US and had a few maps drawn just in case, showing Iraq was part of US.
YOu need to know what you are talking about before you start typing..

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 04/06/2008

China vowed Saturday to ramp up a campaign requiring Tibetan Buddhist monks to denounce the Dalai Lama and declare their loyalty to Beijing.

But resentment over "patriotic education" has ignited protests that have left eight people dead in recent days in a southwestern province and could fuel future unrest despite a massive security presence aimed at quelling the demonstrations.

The Tibet Daily newspaper reported Saturday that the government pledged to "strengthen patriotic education" especially among young monks to help them "become patriotic, religion-loving and law-abiding."

"We should strengthen patriotic education so as to guide the masses of monks to continuously display the patriotic tradition and uphold the banner of patriotism," the paper quoted Hao Peng, Tibet's deputy Communist Party chief, as saying.

China has been using the much-reviled practice of enforcing patriotism education for more than a decade in an attempt to exert greater control over religion. The practice requires monks to do ritual denunciations of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, and accept the Chinese-appointed Panchen Lama, the second-highest ranking Buddhist leader.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/05/2008

Rule of Law - If only American fanatics such as Hagee et al could be taught to be law abidding patriots and not try to initiate the end of the world by supporting Israel when it engages in provocative and illegal acts.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 04/06/2008