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What Happened on Southwest Flight 2534

Posted: 02/17/10 12:47 PM ET

I was a passenger on the Saturday flight from Las Vegas to Burbank. I want to tell you what happened from a passenger's point of view.

The flight was smooth and uneventful; the captain made an announcement that we were on schedule and a comment about the pleasant weather awaiting us in Burbank. A few minutes later, as I was looking out the window (I was overlooking a wing) the plane tilted sharply to the right at an angle, dropped altitude dramatically, and passengers began screaming. Things were falling, passengers were clutching their seats and holding hands. You could literally hear the engine stall out then roar back up again. The pilot regained control, righted the aircraft and began climbing. We were so terrified that I believe everyone on board felt that was the end for us. A moment or two later, we seemed to lose control again, although not as severely, rocking and swerving, before he regained control again. We had no idea what was happening, all of us were so traumatized. We waited for an announcement but none came.

We were all so thankful to land safely, and a flight attendant announced for all passengers to deplane through the front door due to the mess in the back. We were not told anything else, no explanation for what occurred, nor even where to claim our luggage.

Passengers from the back passed the word forward to inform the pilot to open the rear door because two attendants were hurt badly. An announcement was then made from the attendant in front to clear the aisles for the pilot to go to the back of the plane to attend to two injured flight attendants.

After he passed by us, we were then able to deplane, still in shock and traumatized. Nobody from the airline was there to greet us as we deplaned to ask if we were okay, if we were hurt. Somebody representing the airline should have been there to check on our welfare. We deplaned and there were numerous firetrucks and emergency vehicles lined up next to the aircraft. As we left the front stairs, I saw emergency personnel running up the back staircase.

We all wandered into the terminal, still in shock with no idea what had happened, just so grateful to have landed safely. Eventually we located the carousel with our luggage and still had to drive home, shaken and confused, wondering what happened and feeling there was no way we could possibly fly again.

I have checked the newspapers and the Southwest Airlines website trying to find answers. People I have told just shrug it off as turbulence, but it was much worse than that...everyone on that flight knew that. The pilot had a scared look on his face after landing when he passed by me in the aisle going to assist the injured flight attendants.

Now after all these days I get answers on the news. I feel validated that it is acknowledged that something happened, not just normal turbulence. But it is disturbing to learn that, according to the FAA, the pilot was traveling on a collision course.

However, more fears remain. I had planned a much anticipated trip to take my fiance to Hawaii to show him the beautiful place I grew up in, but now I don't feel I can ever get on a plane again. It was a truly traumatizing experience.

 
 
 
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RobertPaulson
07:33 AM on 02/22/2010
I'm so sorry for how you feel.
My sympathy card was moderated out. FTL
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RobertPaulson
07:38 AM on 02/22/2010
That was sarcasm.
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midnight toker
05:27 PM on 02/20/2010
this happened to me once and i was the pilot..

and had it not been for the oncoming traffic to announce his intentions on a common frequency..

poof.. i and the oncoming traffic would not be here!

using that shared frequency i quickly announced the imminent danger and what action was necessary..

and within seconds.. whoosh.. that traffic flew under my left wing.. and i never even saw him until then!
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02:43 PM on 02/22/2010
Having flight issues like this is a very scary situation, but I am also struck that it's OK for the airline to completely ignore their passengers needs (or rights) when something like this happens. Why is Southwest not accountable to the passengers for information(at the very least) and for trauma care?
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midnight toker
12:56 AM on 02/23/2010
agreed!

it's strange that no one addressed the passengers with at least an ''all's well''..

and buying a round of drinks would have been even more appropriate!
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zombywulf
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03:00 PM on 02/20/2010
Relax people we can still fly the plane with no wings.
02:46 PM on 02/20/2010
Holy crap! Something very similar happened to us on a flight out of Vegas about four years ago - and we never knew what happened but when you see alarm in the flight attendants eyes when a plane banks and drops you know something is not right. I figured it was something about Vegas since every flight I have had in and out of there has been bumpy - and I have refused to fly through Vegas since then - never would have guessed it could be anything else.
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Control your money locally. Charter banks now.
05:40 AM on 02/20/2010
Ma-am, your expectation that someone would console you after landing is thoughtless.
If they could, what would they have said to you?
ie: "Now, now there there ma-am. All is well."

Your other mind is all you need. The ground under your feet was your console.
12:15 PM on 02/21/2010
Oh I see, asking for a little compassion is a sign of weakness and selfishness.
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02:45 PM on 02/22/2010
Would you say this same thing if there had been a crash and family members wanted answers? Being a passenger shouldn't be the same as being a prisoner.
01:36 AM on 02/19/2010
I flew southwest once about three years ago and it was the WORST experience I've ever had with an airline, and I do a lot of natl/intl traveling. I have never flown with southwest since, even if they had the best bargain. They couldn't pay me to fly southwest.
04:52 PM on 02/19/2010
You obviously haven't flown Southwest recently, or you're just lying through your teeth. I fly Southwest several times a year and the service is always impeccable. Their aircraft are relatively new, we usually get there on time, and I've never had to chase down any lost luggage with them. What more can you ask of an airline?
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02:46 PM on 02/22/2010
I think that they have had some safety violation issues.
08:13 PM on 02/18/2010
Once again people are missing the forrest for the trees here. The woman isn't complaining that the pilot maneuvered and got them out of harm's way - her complaint was that SouthWest once again did not think about their passengers and their well-being once the plane was on the ground.

Several people should have met them at the gate and explained that the plane was always under control, but the pilot had to take quick and drastic moves as there was something in their path that shouldn't have been there. They should have asked each person if they were all right. Did they need anything? Reassure them that while it was scary, they were all okay, thanks to the quick thinking of the pilot and air traffic control. But no. SouthWest decided that customer service is last on their list, even when they have a plane full of traumatized passengers. This is exactly why SouthWest sucks. Except the pilot. He saved their asses.
12:34 PM on 02/18/2010
I'm a pilot.
The pilot reacted to a TCAS alarm, TCAS is Traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System.
He never "stalled" or "lost control" of the plane.
In fact, they saved YOUR LIFE and many others.

I am sorry you were startled.

But please know, that you are alive due to the crew's actions on the flight deck.
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Chauncey Zalkin
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11:26 AM on 02/18/2010
you have no idea what happened. you're a passenger. not the pilot.
11:56 AM on 02/18/2010
I was the passenger, I was there, I know what we all experienced. You weren't.
05:24 PM on 02/19/2010
You don't have a CLUE what happened on the flight deck, nor what prompted the reaction to the possible collision hazard. Your aviation credentials would be what exactly???
11:09 AM on 02/20/2010
No, you know what YOU and YOU ALONE experienced. What makes you think you can speak for all the passengers on that plane???

You can't speak for the all the passengers and yet you repeatedly say things like "all of us were so traumatized" and "We all wandered into the terminal, still in shock with no idea what had happened, just so grateful to have landed safely" and "feeling there was no way we could possibly fly again."

This is the most bald-faced bid for monetary damages I think I've ever seen. Whatever happened to "Keep Calm and Carry On" ???

There's no denying it was an upsetting several minutes, but to demand immediate comforting while there are two injured flight attendants and other things demanding immediate attention besides this toddler-like passenger is beyond the pale.

What a bunch of faux victims this country has become. It's sad.

I've flown Southwest Airlines exclusively for a decade or more and I've never been anything but impressed with their customer service. To try and use this to impugn an entire company is ridiculous.
04:54 PM on 02/19/2010
Agreed. Amazing how often the uneducated and uninformed general public thinks they know so much more than the highly-trained professionals in the aviation industry.
11:11 PM on 02/17/2010
Margaret--Hi--I am a producer at Kabc Radio AM790--morning show--We would love to have you on
via phone--Thursday morning--about the flight--
Please contact me at LES717@YAHOO.COM

Thanks
Les/abc
04:50 PM on 02/19/2010
Why? So you can fan the flames of media hysteria, all in the name of ratings? Why don't you talk to Southwest, the flight crew, and the FAA and get an objective account of what happened, or did the concept of real news reporting die at your station a long time ago?
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09:06 PM on 02/20/2010
It is never too late to get some info from Southwest and the FAA, but they should have been forthcoming with info much sooner. If it weren't for eye-witness accounts, this whole thing might have been covered up.

When something is kept in the dark, it is less likely to be fixed. This matter needs to see the light of day if something is ever to be done to prevent it from happening again. In an ideal world, Southwest would have been proactively dealing with the passengers and the public. Given the world we actually live in, it is not surprising that we are dependent on eyewitnesses and investigative journalism for answers.
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10:42 PM on 02/17/2010
The complete tapes of this incident, between ATC and the Southwest pilot, are on a professional pilot website. The Southwest pilot had the traffic visually at 5 miles when it was pointed out by ATC; at no time was there any danger of collision. The Southwest pilot got a RA from the TCAS system and reacted properly. At no time was the aircraft out of control or anywhere near that.

It is unfortunate that two F/As were injured and that passengers were scared but the entire event was by the book. Has the F/As been belted in, as were the passengers, nothing much would have happened.

Next time the flight deck tells you to fasten your seatbelts, just do it.
05:22 PM on 02/19/2010
You're correct - and about the only thing that could possibly be criticized with the flight crew is that perhaps they reacted a bit too "proactively" to the RA. But since I wasn't in the cockpit (I'm a commercial/instrument/instructor rated pilot but don't have anywhere near the flight training and background that they have) I definitely won't second-guess their decision. Tell the whiners to drive or take the bus/train/etc. next time.
05:24 PM on 02/19/2010
Do you have URL for that site?
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06:24 PM on 02/17/2010
Watch this new Frontline: "Flying Cheap"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/flyingcheap/
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Robin Whiteside
05:42 PM on 02/17/2010
The pilot did not REGAIN control. He obviously had excellent control of the plane the whole time and saved your life. That's his job. The air traffic controller gave out a warning call. That's his job.

Or maybe hers. Southwest hires more female pilots than any other airline.
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johnjam101
05:41 PM on 02/17/2010
flying on SW on Friday. I'll get the poop from the help and post it.
Still a fan of their business model but this doesn't make sense.
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SusanStoHelit
05:30 PM on 02/17/2010
The airline likely couldn't give you any answers that day - they can't talk until what happened is discovered - and that takes a bit of time to figure out who was in the wrong, etc. That goes double for the pilot and crew who DEFINITELY wouldn't be allowed to speak. But they should have had someone at the gate asking if you were OK.