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American Airlines Captain Gives Passengers Too Much Information

Posted: 01/14/12 08:00 AM ET

We've all experienced annoying airport flight delays, but most of the time we never learn the reason for the hold-up. However, on a recent American Airlines flight from Dallas to Jackson Hole http://www.jacksonhole.com/indexx.html the Captain himself gave us a little too much information, leading me to wonder if someone had injected him with truth serum.

Flight 2599 was scheduled to depart Dallas at 5:10 p.m., but was delayed to 6:10 p.m. This was slightly irritating, but no one went off the deep end because it would now arrive in Jackson only one hour later. Beside, no one was about to go ski or go on a wildlife Safari to Yellowstone at 8 or 9 p.m.

Happily, at the designated time, we boarded the plane. We sat. And sat. And sat. After about a half an hour, a garbled midwestern voice came from the loudspeakers: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. I'm sorry for the delay, but we were delayed two hours coming from Vancouver." He paused. "We seem to have a little problem. Our hydraulics are leaking and it wouldn't really be a good idea if we tried to fly that way. Not a good idea at all, I'm sure you'd all agree." He paused again. "So, the technicians are going to come and try and fix it, and we'll be off the ground as soon as they do."


Everyone remained absolutely silent.

"Also, he continued, "I've flown into Jackson many many times in my life -- I used to fly there all the time -- but I haven't flown into there in two years and it's a kind of tricky approach. So, before we take off, I'm going to go have to watch a video. It's required. I'm going to get off the Jetway now and I'll be back in 40 minutes."

"What?" the person behind me said. "Why didn't he watch it during his two hour delay in Vancouver. This is absurd."

We all agreed and grumbled. We sat, and we sat, and we sat. Forty minutes later, the Captain was back. "Ladies and Gentlemen," came his cheery voice on the loudspeaker. "Unfortunately, they are unable to fix the hydraulics, so we are going to have to change planes. It will take about an hour to get the new plane out of the hangar, clean it, and get it to the gate. You may now deboard, but please check the departure signs, because we don't know which gate the new plane will arrive at."

We all pulled our suitcases from the overheard bins and re-assembled in the boarding area. Most of the passengers were furious, but I considered the fact that we were leaving at all a blessing. The last thing I wanted was spend the night in an airport hotel. At least now, no matter what time we arrived in Jackson Hole, I'd wake up and look out at the Grand Tetons.

Almost two hours went by when finally they announced American Airlines flight 2599 to Jackson Hole was now boarding. It was another Boeing 757 so we took our same seats as the Captain announced, "Welcome back. Sorry about the long wait, but the plane had to cleaned and I don't just mean the seats needed to be cleaned.. The rest rooms were really smelly and the whole plane smelled foul, and we certainly weren't going to let you onboard with it smelling like that. That would be a horrible way to fly." Again, we were silent. We fastened our seatbelts and rolled away from the gate. It was now 9:30pm. At least we were leaving.

But we sat on the runway. There were no planes ahead of us. This was strange. There had to be a new situation. Suddenly the Captain's voice boomed again on the loudspeaker, "Well folks, we seem to have a new problem. The left door just in front of the engines wont close and because its right in front of the engine, we don't think flying would be a very wise decision. I'm sure you agree, so we're going to go back to the gate and fix it."

Ten minutes later, we were still sitting at the gate. The Captain announced, "We're going to have two mechanics out there, and what they're going to do is take the door completely off, then put duct tape all around the edges. That's right folks, duct tape. And then they're going to put the door back on and that will keep it closed for our flight." No one said a word.

Duct tape? Was he serious?

Half an hour later, we taxied down the runway with no further mechanical problems, took off, and three hours later, arrived in Jackson Hole. There had been a five-hour delay, but better safe than sorry. The next time I'm on a delayed flight and the Captain does not announce the reason for the hold-up, I think I'm going to be one happy passenger.

 

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We've all experienced annoying airport flight delays, but most of the time we never learn the reason for the hold-up. However, on a recent American Airlines flight from Dallas to Jackson Hole http://w...
We've all experienced annoying airport flight delays, but most of the time we never learn the reason for the hold-up. However, on a recent American Airlines flight from Dallas to Jackson Hole http://w...
 
 
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03:42 PM on 01/22/2012
Most of the time, they keep us in the dark and... er, treat us like mushrooms. It's actually refreshing to find a pilot who feels his passengers are respected humans entitled to genuine information and periodic updates. If that captain and the mechanics feel duct tape is sufficient to get the aircraft out without endangering passenger safety, let's do it. If Ms. Goldsmith prefers to be kept uninformed and stewing in her own juices, waiting for hours, there are many airline staff willing to help her out - but this Captain deserves kudos, not brickbats.
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Halsey
"There is a price to pay for speaking the truth. T
09:57 AM on 01/17/2012
When I read just the headline, I was prepared to disagree. However, I could have done without the "must watch the landing in Jackson video" comment. The rest were okay..crude, but okay. And Jackson Hole IS a tricky airport. I'm surprised they fly big jets in there. But y'all made it.
I used to LOVE it when the earphones could be turned to the channel of the pilots speaking with control towers and other flights. If there was turbulance, I could hear a calm pilot ask others in the sky what altitudes were better. I found it very reassuing to just HEAR my Captain's voice as well as the controllers. They don't have that channel anymore..at least I don't think so.
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05:07 PM on 01/16/2012
"Duct tape" was talking down to the passengers a bit. What is really used is a type of tape, certified by the FAA, called "speed tape" or "safety tape". It was, in this case, used to fix an inflatable door seal. Unlike duct tape, speed tape will hold up to the 600mph airflow and won't come apart at minus 50 degree temperatures.

Had the door not sealed properly, nothing bad would have happened except a loud whistling noise and some slight loss of cabin pressure. The crew could have stopped the noise by slowing down and the pressurization system could have compensate for the leak. No, the masks would not have dropped.

I'm all in favor of pilots not treating passengers like they were infants. Pilots should use real words and, if the passengers don't understand aviation termnology, so what?
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04:59 PM on 01/16/2012
Flying out of Amsterdam en route to Venice and the captain announced that one of the pumps for the wing's deicer was not functioning. We would not safely be able to cross the Alps. We were already in the air and had to return to Amsterdam and reboard another plane. I was glad to know the truth- my imagination could have had me thinking about a bomb-- if it is the truth- why shouldn't the captain share it??
11:11 AM on 01/16/2012
Please learn to spell the word "hangar" correctly. The plane was in a hangar, not in a hanger.
02:35 PM on 01/15/2012
Thanks for posting this, Margie. It's funny in a scary sort of way. I probably wouldn't want to know all the details - ignorance is bliss and I wouldn't want to sit through the whole flight worrying whether the tape was going to freeze, go brittle and flake off during the flight at 29,000 ft! But the pilot was providing info enough to explain what was going on - probably to prevent a riot at the check in/out counters. ;)
And good for American Airlines - they did the right thing - acknowledged the problem and compensated the passengers as a gesture of goodwill.

On the other hand some of the other posts seem to take things a little too seriously. I can't even think of the number of people I know who say "duck tape" instead of "duct tape". It's just not that big a deal any more since everyone knows what the speaker means. And I think it's funny that that very common error was picked up and used by the company that produces Duck Tape. Smart marketing move!
03:55 PM on 01/15/2012
then you know people who mispronounce things. it IS a big deal when you're an author on a major publication. writers should know (or should take the time out) to learn proper terms when they're entrusted with providing accurate information.
03:19 AM on 01/17/2012
The guy was quoting the pilot. It doesn't matter if the writer knows better if he's quoting someone else. To change the word to duct in order to make it proper would be missing quoting. So, complain about the captain not knowing the right term, but leave the author alone.
11:28 AM on 01/21/2012
So there really is not a problem in this instance, as both terms are correct. Maybe they do use Duck Tape.
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02:08 PM on 01/15/2012
As a cabin crew member, In the 1980's I once ferried a 747 (no passengers on board) from Shannon Ireland to London Gatwick with a whole section of a top section of the right wing MISSING right under door 3R! Repairs could be made there.
I also have been on a couple of flights where "speed tape" was used to patch a small puncture holes in the fuselage.
These things happen.....
10:36 AM on 01/15/2012
DUCK, DUCT, Tomatoes-Tomatoes.. This captain was funny.. Do you really think he would have flown an unsafe aircraft.. It is the PIC final decision...Pretty sure he didn't feel like bending some aluminum that day...
charlesa1946
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10:26 PM on 01/14/2012
No comment. USAirways can beat this by miles and no rebate of any kind.
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Justthom
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10:17 AM on 01/15/2012
Do you work for United? If you are going to slam another airline at least give an example. Or are you making that up?
01:52 PM on 01/15/2012
How is this.. September 2011.. 23 Hours to get from Philadelphia to Arizona.. US Airways apparently didn't have enough DUCT Tape or Kite String to stay in the Air that Day.. 4 Different Planes had to be "Taken out of Service" for one reason or another.. Oh, and their gate staff.. I know they are probably minimum Wage, but for that you should at least get Minimum service
09:57 PM on 01/14/2012
its nice that some one has the guts to tell the turth
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
09:30 PM on 01/14/2012
Sounds like captain motormouth needs to lay off the caffeine.
06:09 PM on 01/14/2012
once the duck tape was said , I think I would have waited for the next flight .what if the duck tape did'nt hold then what?
04:18 PM on 01/14/2012
duct tape comes in colors wonder what color they used? do the different airlines use different colors
07:09 AM on 01/15/2012
I think American uses Sky Blue--always a crowd-pleaser.
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runswthscisors40
Poor planning on your part is not an emergency
07:12 PM on 01/15/2012
Don't they just use the color of the Terror Alert that day??.....(sarc)
09:27 PM on 01/15/2012
I cede. You win.
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12:37 PM on 01/14/2012
The tape used to make a repair like that would have been "safety tape" and not duct tape. It would be used to fix a non-inflating door seal, most likely, and is an FAA approved temporary fix. Not even this pilot was long winded enough to try explaining that to a planeload of passengers.
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02:54 PM on 01/14/2012
Dear Air Vice Marhsal Park,
I am very sorry, but the captain specifically said DUCT tape, a tape I have always called "gaffer tape," which is what it's called in motion picture production).
03:46 PM on 01/14/2012
He probably called it duct tape as it is a more familiar name to a lot of people.
03:52 PM on 01/14/2012
Forgot to say, gaffer's tape and duct tape are two different types of tape. Duct tape is silvery grey, stickier and harder to remove, it is thicker and stronger, with waterproof adhesive, and somewhat resistant to heat too, perfect for sealing joins in ducts! Gaffer's tape, which is the one used on movies, is matte black, much easier to remove without leaving adhesive residue behind, and it is thinner and easier to tear without a knife or somesuch. It is not designed to be waterproof, although it would be resistant to a certain extent.
04:21 PM on 01/14/2012
we fly in nothing that is duct taped only ducks can fly not duct tape
12:16 PM on 01/14/2012
Actually Duck tape and duct tape are both correct. Google it. As for the Captain's TMI, he certainly should not have included the part about watching the video. As a crewmember I may have been a bit flustered at that!
12:38 PM on 01/14/2012
i googled it, per your instructions. DUCK tape is a brand, that hasn't been around much more than 20 years. sorry, but it's DUCT tape, despite urban legends about the original makers wanting to make a tape waterproof like a duck.