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Fellow Millennials, Listen Up: The Case for Personal Responsibility

Posted: 03/21/2012 5:55 pm

Narcissistic. Entitled. Egotistical. These are just some of the glowing adjectives often used to describe my generation, the "me" generation. As a millennial, I resent the fact that my generation is often summed up as the kids whose parents awarded them ribbons, medals and gold stars just for participating. But sometimes my fellow gen Y-ers do things to prove that very point -- that we expect things to be handed to us without working for it.

Former law school students are now suing their law schools because they couldn't get a job after graduation. Former interns are now suing their employers because they didn't get enough training during their internships. Instead of blaming others and trying to launch class-action lawsuits against them, we need to take personal responsibility.

In a lawsuit filed in Manhattan State Supreme court last week, Lucy Bickerton, a 2007 PBS summer intern with Charlie Rose is suing Rose and his production company, claiming her unpaid internship violated New York labor law because she wasn't trained. Under the Fair Labor Standards Act, a company may legally offer unpaid internships if they are educational and benefit the intern and not necessarily the employer.

Bickerton claims she wasn't trained because she spent her internship providing background research for Mr. Rose about interview guests, assembling press packets, escorting guests through the studio, breaking down the interview set after daily filming and cleaning up the green room. But isn't researching an essential training skill would-be journalists should learn? Isn't the fact she was able to watch how Rose, one of the nation's most acclaimed interviewers, prepared and interviewed guests each day training in it self? Isn't the fact that she was able to work with Rose and top producers and pick their brains, if she wanted to, about how they got to where they are and whether they had any advice, beneficial?

I was an unpaid intern at a news station the same summer as Bickerton and did similar tasks, but I walked away feeling I had more practical job training than could be provided in a classroom. Yes, there were some menial tasks like printing and handing out scripts. But I'd also ask producers and correspondents each day to sit in the edit room with them so I could watch how stories were put together and ask questions to learn the process. Many of those same producers and correspondents I still keep in touch with to ask career advice. Your internship experience is what you make of it, and if you feel you didn't get sufficient training, you have only yourself to blame. Reporters, producers and editors are all busy people and they aren't going to take the time out of their day to check up on you, it's up to you to ask questions and to learn from them.

The biggest benefit of an unpaid internship is that it gives you the experience necessary to help find a job out of college. One reason I was able to get a job after graduation was because I had unpaid internships at news stations listed on my resume. And I'm sure Bickerton, who is now a documentary filmmaker, was able to get where she is in part because PBS is listed on hers.

The unpaid internship is a flawed system where colleges and companies often blur the lines in order to get away with it. Yet it's also productive, necessary, and the only system that works. If the unpaid internship were done away with, many companies, especially a publicly-funded broadcast station, would not be able to afford interns and thus do away with their internship program altogether, only hurting college students in the end.

Just as Bickerton's suit is placing blame on her employer because she didn't get the experience she wanted out of it, a group of former law students are now suing their law schools because they didn't get the jobs they wanted out of school.

Attorney Jesse Strauss appeared before Manhattan Supreme Court last week to argue that New York Law School fudged its job placement rate numbers, misleading applicants to believe they'd be guaranteed a job after graduation. The suit says the school duped students by claiming that "the overwhelming majority of its students -- 90 to 95 percent -- secure employment within nine months of graduation."

Strauss' clients include Matthew Crawford, a 2010 NYLS grad, who is now living with his parents in St. Louis and working at a Starbucks, and Katherine Cooper, also a 2010 grad, who says she even had to consider a position as a Sears sales clerk after graduation. Cooper says she decided on NYLS "because job statistics were huge for me. I wanted reliable work after graduation."

Yet, you can't blame your law school because you didn't get the job you wanted. There are so many other factors that go into getting a job at a top law firm: good grades, a high student ranking, a good interview, a strong resume, and simply entering a strong job market in a good economy. You don't get a job just because your law school guaranteed you'd get one in their employment statistics provided on application brochures. You can't blame a school because you spent thousands of dollars of tuition money and didn't get the job you wanted because, at the end of the day, it was your own choice to go to school.

One reason why older generations so often call us entitled is because we think we deserve a good job, a good internship, whatever it may be, without working for it and when we don't get what we want, we blame everyone but ourselves. Filing potential class-action lawsuits is certainly not helping us get rid of the stigma. So please, fellow millennials, lets stop it with the lawsuits and start taking some personal responsibility.

 

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Narcissistic. Entitled. Egotistical. These are just some of the glowing adjectives often used to describe my generation, the "me" generation. As a millennial, I resent the fact that my generation is o...
Narcissistic. Entitled. Egotistical. These are just some of the glowing adjectives often used to describe my generation, the "me" generation. As a millennial, I resent the fact that my generation is o...
 
 
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Phoenixfire089
09:00 AM on 03/22/2012
Your criticism of an unpaid intern suing the company is off-base. There are paid and unpaid internships, the requirements of which are explicitly defined.

Businesses cannot simply get unpaid interns for routine work which an employee would normally be paid for. That's exactly what cleaning the green room, breaking down sets, etc is. No one can argue that the guest research wouldn't have been done if she wasn't there.

Businesses cannot just expect free labor for a few months at the expense of those in college. If the writer experienced the same type of internship, then she too was taken advantage of.

Personal responsibility should be encourage; however we should not overlook bad behavior for the sake of it.
09:29 AM on 03/22/2012
The whole concept of unpaid internships is bogus. How can a company NOT use an intern to do work that they would have to pay someone else to do, otherwise?

If an intern's given tasks that benefit the goals of the company, that implies work someone could/should be paid to do.

If they're NOT given such tasks, then what does the employer have them DO? If the interns don't get useful tasks, then what? If they get tasks that are NOT useful, then, why bother? It is useless for both parties.

If the company doesn't give any tasks at all, but provides training, it simply becomes an extension of the educational process. Why should/would a company give free education to interns? Will it give them exams, then hire the best students? They can do that, but that simply duplicates the information that transcripts and recommendations from a long education already provides.

Unpaid internships are either illegal or useless.

On the other hand, paid coop programs are great! Great benefits for both parties.

Coops were paid, but not a lot. They were assigned tasks to match current skills.
The coop got a job and great professional experience; a chance to see how real companies work. Good ones got a job offer at the end.

We got cheap labor, usually a bright employee, and potential future hire. If they didn't work out, that was OK. It lowered our hiring risk considerably.
08:56 AM on 03/22/2012
This seems to contradict the progressive impulse behind consumer-protection legislation. Why is it ok for people to sue a company over a defective product that the firm had claimed could work wonders, but it is not ok to sue a law school over their false claims of employment statistics?

Why do progressives pan lawschool grads who were told by the school that 95% of graduates were employed after graduation when the school knowingly manipulated those numbers?
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Levonsky
a fan of enlightened self interest
08:32 AM on 03/22/2012
thirty years of right wing economic policies are taking their toll. the cost of education is so expensive that people want that it is must have a cost benefit analysis. society needs art and history majors as well as doctors and lawyers, but because the right wing wants to commodify everything, art and history are deemed to have less intrinsic value than science or law. not everybody has the same abilities, the aim of higher education should be for folks to find and develop life long interests and abilities not to necessarily lead to a paycheck even though higher ed helps develop skills that would lead to that. so sad.
08:59 AM on 03/22/2012
Should we pay artists to do what they do whether or not there's a actual market for their talent? Should someone who got a degree in Women's Studies or maybe Sanskrit expect to be provided a job post graduation pertinent to that study?

Some college degrees just don't translate professionally in the real world. And $120,000 to develop an interest in the Komodo Dragon or Jazz Studies seems to mee too steep a price to pay.
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Levonsky
a fan of enlightened self interest
10:05 AM on 03/22/2012
as i said, the right seeks to commodify everything. you've proven my point.
08:22 AM on 03/22/2012
A very well written piece, Ms. Fagel. Probably your last on HP. As is clear from comments below, for many denizens of this site, personal responsibility is not high on the list of desirable traits. Blame needs to be place elsewhere.
10:39 AM on 03/22/2012
Yes. Blame elsewhere and some level of income without the necessity of working for it is too often the desire around here..
07:43 AM on 03/22/2012
Let's put things in context. Everyone is trying to get something for nothing! That is universal! All Generations are the same. The frustration comes from who ever holds the money sets the rules. It is conjectSure to grab a couple of cases that aren't fully explained and form a opinion that some group is spoiled. But that never stops idealists.
08:04 AM on 03/22/2012
Well, she offered more pertinent information about those cases than you did. Both those lawsuits ought to be thrown out!
01:57 PM on 03/25/2012
Neither of us has the information! That's the point of not reacting before the information is reasonablly vetted. In today's world of obtusifcation of masses of information requires people who want the most accurate information, to search many sources. The days Walter Cronkite are over where we just listened and accepted the narrative.
07:07 AM on 03/22/2012
"Yet, you can't blame your law school because you didn't get the job you wanted. There are so many other factors that go into getting a job at a top law firm: good grades, a high student ranking, a good interview, a strong resume, and simply entering a strong job market in a good economy. You don't get a job just because your law school guaranteed you'd get one in their employment statistics provided on application brochures."

Well, if an institution puts forth false or intentionally misleading statistics regarding the product, then, just like any other product, the institution is liable.

"You can't blame a school because you spent thousands of dollars of tuition money and didn't get the job you wanted because, at the end of the day, it was your own choice to go to school."

Financial constraints shouldn't affect one's ability to obtain an higher education - only ability and academic prerequisites should do that. Of course, no university can guarantee a job to its graduates. But, given that that is the case, at least education should not leave the graduate even worse off: no job, but lots of debt. No other developed country does this to its students, or at least not anywhere near to the degree that institutions in the United States do. I don't hear anyone calling Germans a bunch of whiners because they all graduate from university debt-free.
08:09 AM on 03/22/2012
At the time those statistics were advertised by the law school, were they accurate? We've been in a recession, you know. Could it be that getting a job as a lawyer has within the last 4 years become harder no matter where you go to school? Should the law school have to pay because the economy has changed the hireing dynamic of that profession?

Sounds like you'd like our debt riddled government to go even farther into hock so a nation that already has too many lawyers can pay for some more? Thanks for nothing!
10:34 AM on 03/22/2012
Obviously, statistics are judged for the relevant time period. That is so obvious that I am surprise that it needs to be stated. And, the law school can pay if it spread false information, not the federal government.
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jstanavgguy
Proud member of the evil 1%
08:27 AM on 03/22/2012
Are you saying that public colleges should be free? If so, who will actually absorb the costs of this free education? The taxpayer?

Will you also call for the costs of said education to be reduced by the 'educators' reducing their salaries to the levels of public school teachers? What about the athletic departments of said schools? Do you want them eliminated, so as to reduce expenses?

You bring up Germany, and their 'free' education. What do they pay the instructors?

Compare apples to apples.
10:43 AM on 03/22/2012
Yes, state universities and colleges should be free, at least in terms of tuition. They were nearly free in most states well into the 1970s. But, we have regressed in the USA. In the 19th century, taxpayers didn't want to pay for public high school, only elementary school. Do you want to go back to that debate?
A few educators are very highly paid, and certainly university presidents are well paid, but it has been the practice in recent decades to use adjuncts who are paid worse than elementary school teachers, and often don't even receive benefits.
Well, at state universities, if athletics are costing the taxpayer a lot of money, they might need to have their spending cut. Of course, many football and basketball programs claim to be self-supporting; or alumni can fund athletics. Athletics are not the core mission of a university.
In Germany, you certainly don't have poorly-paid adjuncts.
Apples to apples my friend.
snaggle2th
my micro-bio is empty, just like my life
06:02 AM on 03/22/2012
In my considered view internships are a scam, pure and simple. If it's worth doing it's worth payment. A fundamental economic principle is that people do not value things (like intern labor) that have no cost, and tend to misuse and waste them. Training has to be formal and clearly agreed beforehand, and it seems all too often internships are nothing more than vague idea about practical skills development that the "employers" have no great incentive to provide.

And so long as student loans are being used to fianance these thngs the taxpayers are getting stuck with the bills- and have the right to say no when corporate abuse of the system is so widespread. If school "X" says 95% of its graduates are employed when that is not true, then they're liable for that dishonesty.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
05:04 AM on 03/22/2012
I'm all for personal responsiblity.

It's the main reason I dislike modern feminism so much. They are allergic to accountability.

But I also dislike those who condescendingly advocate "personal responsibility" in the wake of criminal greed and irresponsibility.

For some reason, I got the same vibe reading this article that I did when a few years ago, hedge fund managers were writing op-eds explaining how it was immoral for a homeowner to walk away from an underwater mortgage...all while they executed "strategic defaults."
12:40 PM on 03/22/2012
There are different schools of modern feminism.
Most of the people I know tend to be the equal pay for equal work, combined with making sure girls (and guys) know that there are no girls or guys jobs or interests.

Then again, these are the feminists of science and engineering professions, not the academics.
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Cody Allison
Conscious Evolution
04:12 AM on 03/22/2012
Personal Responsibility...a quality i think everyone needs more of. I speak of it often...as the journey is more important than the destination...
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Richard Bartholomew
My micro-bio isn't empty.
03:22 AM on 03/22/2012
'One reason why older generations so often call us entitled is because we think we deserve a good job ...'

When a baby boomer accuses you of having an entitlement mentality, it's a sure sign that you've got some world-class issues with personal responsibility to deal with. I want to be standing well behind the yellow line when the United States' economic system finally comes crashing down, enrolling these folks perforce in the graduate school of contemporary reality (wherein you take the test first and learn the lesson second).
02:23 AM on 03/22/2012
I think those who are in college are angry for a reason. They were told that they needed to go get a college education so they wouldn't have to flip burgers. 4 years and $99K later they are being criticized because they "think they are too good to work at Burger King".

I know I would be angry if I had followed the previous generation's advice and then ended up right back where they promised me that I would never have to be.
02:04 AM on 03/22/2012
The problem with law school is that there are no jobs out there. The law schools are lying about this basic fact. They lie about their placement numbers. They are lying about the incomes their graduates are making. Nearly half of law school graduates find themselves in jobs which do not require bar admission or even a law degree. Given that law students will run up debts of up to $200,000 to get that law degree, the law schools should be honest with them and tell them there are no jobs.
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John Olson
09:21 AM on 03/22/2012
To extend your argument, High Plains Lawyer, another way law schools fib about their graduates' employment rates is by counting as "employed" graduates who work at part time or temp jobs. Some schools even hire their own graduates temporarily to pump up their "employed nine months after graduation" rates. Then, there is the fact that rates of pay are self-reported, a statistic which is notoriously skewed upward because the least-paid are also the least likely to answer the post-graduation survey.
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dsws
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01:34 AM on 03/22/2012
If they're going to issue promotional materials in which they guarantee a job, they deserve to be held to the letter of their obligation.
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moonchild62
Solution: publicly funded elections
01:09 AM on 03/22/2012
I see what you mean by your generation feeling entitled. Case in point: calling yourself "Your Legal Lady" when you haven't even been to law school yet...
12:52 AM on 03/22/2012
The problem is not that we are so-called brats. The problem is that there is a lot of false information out there and predatory practices. We are told that college is required to get full time work. Up until very recently we were told which degree didn't matter so long as you got a degree. We are told that college will open doors. We are told student loans are "good" debt. But we aren't told that there is no entry level work for someone who just as a degree, those jobs all go to temps or interns. We aren't told that having to pay 500 dollars a month in student loan bills is going to prevent us from affording rent. We aren't told how to direct those opportunities college provides into meaningful careers. If we act spoiled or entitled, it's because we were promised everything and are now shocked to find nothing. This is not a reassignment of blame, I did all the right things and I have a decent job to show for it. However, a large scale fraud has been perpetuated upon this generation and supposedly we are to blame for it.
07:48 AM on 03/22/2012
I'm not sure I understand your point. It sounds like you expect everything to be clearly laid out for you: how much debt you can handle, what degrees will lead to great job opportunities, how to convert a degree into an opportunity, etc. These are things we all have to figure out for ourselves. Nobody has THE answer; there are multiple answers and paths and they all have some interdependence between them. And, the answers/solutions are shifting as we are "traveling on the path". All of us who are a little older than you have experienced all the uncertainties you mention. That's a huge part of life. Always has been and always will be.
07:08 PM on 03/22/2012
The point is this whole "You're brats and you should have known better than x,y, and z" line that people love to feed about the "millennial" generation is bogus. Why should we know better? Every authority figure has fed us outdated or patently false knowledge. Children are shaped by society and their family. If all the information we've been given from birth was wrong, somehow it's our fault?
08:33 AM on 03/22/2012
Apparently you believe someone other than you is responsible for your life's education. If you think sitting at a desk waiting to always be told by someone in authority what's what is only fair, you really ought to think again.