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My Prediction: Dharun Ravi to Be Found Not Guilty of Bias Intimidation

Posted: 03/ 7/2012 12:41 pm

Just months after the public outcry and outrage over Casey Anthony's not guilty verdict, the court of public opinion has set its eye on a new villain: Dharun Ravi. While it seems clear to us, the public, that Ravi is to blame for the death of Tyler Clementi and that he is indeed guilty of a heinous form of bias intimidation, what the public sees and what the jurors see are two very different things. My fear is, just as in the Casey Anthony case, Ravi will be found not guilty because despite the overwhelming public perception of guilt, the evidence is just not there.

Since Ravi cannot be charged in the death of Clementi, to the prosecution, the next best thing is to charge him with bias intimidation. Now they are tasked with proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Ravi's actions were intended to intimidate Clementi because he was gay.

Yet, the best evidence to prove that Clementi was intimidated by Ravi's alleged spying is the fact that he leapt to his death right after these incidents. However, the judge has been incredibly cautious about allowing discussion of Clementi's suicide in the courtroom. Prosecutors are barred from linking the spying allegations to his suicide and defense lawyers are barred from making the case that Clementi killed himself for reasons other than the webcam incident.

The other key to proving this crime is how the victim felt and whether he indeed was intimidated. Yet because Clementi is not here today to answer questions or be cross-examined, nearly every example of how he felt has been barred by the judge as hearsay.

When M.B., the man caught in sexual encounters with Clementi, testified about hearing people laugh through the window the night of Sept. 21, he was not permitted by the judge to describe how Clementi reacted to the laughter. He simply told the court he heard "people joking, people laughing. It seemed like the jokes were at somebody else's expense."

When jurors are presented with evidence regarding an online form Clementi filled out requesting a new room on the university's website, only the statement Clementi made requesting the room is admissible, but not the reason why. The judge has ordered the prosecution to redact the statement Clementi made accusing Ravi of spying on him because it's hearsay.

When former Rutgers dorm resident assistant Raahi Grover testified about Clementi's conversation, and subsequent e-mail, requesting a new room, hearsay evidence precluded him from divulging specific contents regarding Clementi's feelings and opinions. Although the e-mail actually stated, "I feel like my privacy has been violated and I am extremely uncomfortable sharing a room with someone who would act in such a wildly inappropriate manner," the words "such a wildly inappropriate" were never seen by jurors.

Another key to the prosecution's ability to prove bias intimidation is for witnesses to state Ravi had demonstrated hostility towards homosexuals. However, thus far, not a single state witness has stated Ravi demonstrated any such hostility. The only real evidence to support that charge came when Ravi's friend since high school, Michelle Huang, testified Monday that Ravi tweeted her "we have to keep the gays away" after inviting her to a viewing party.

The circumstances of this case, where the trial playing out in front of a jury is very different of that playing out in the media, remind me of Casey Anthony's trial. Prosecutors failed to prove to the jury that she should be found guilty of first-degree murder because the physical evidence simply was not there and the burden of proof could not be met. Although jurors admitted not guilty does not mean innocent, they were only able to convict her of the lesser charge of providing false information to police officers.

Similarly, as I watch the Ravi trial unfold, I fear prosecutors will not be able to meet the burden of proof necessary for jurors to convict Ravi of bias intimidation -- though it does seem likely that a favorable jury would convict Ravi of the lesser charge of invasion of privacy, based on the evidence presented thus far. So just a warning to those following the trial, don't be surprised if the jury returns with a not guilty verdict, as they did in the Casey Anthony case.

 

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11:10 AM on 03/12/2012
Miss Fagel: I hope your prediction is wrong. Dharun is extremely unlikable and arrogant in the courtroom. His lawyer is also very rude and I immensley dislike him. Tyler would be alive today had it not been for this defendant. I know they can't blame him for Tylers suicide, but indirectly because of his action he caused it. I hope he and his family will be deported back to India after he serves his sentence. If he is not convicted than our legal system is totally crazy. After what happened in Casey A ntony's trial nothing would surprise me anymore.
03:22 PM on 03/09/2012
Ms. Fagel, I will listen to your legal opinion after you spend a few decades in the legal profession.
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09:36 AM on 03/09/2012
Yet Troy Davis was put to death without physical evidence proving his guilt. Here's what I don't get. Anything written by Clamenti shouldn't be considered hearsay because it's his actual words. If it's a copy of his email to the RA, then it's proof all wording should be usable. I get that comments he made allowed could be reworded and therefore, not count but the documented stuff like the form he filled out, that should count. I read an article with an interview where his brother said their parents are superconservative and athough they were okay with him being Gay, he was raised to think it's a sin and that he'd go to hell for it. Maybe one reason they don't count these things is because then they would have to count documented stuff from his childhood about the ideas he was raised with. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Casey Anthony got away with MURDER Ravi didn't kill Clamenti. I don't think it was a "anti-gay" thing. While he did film Clamenti and should be punished for that, I honestly think he thought it would be funny. At 19 this is the type of thing kids think are funny without realizing how stupid and invasive it is.
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Mari Fagel
10:09 AM on 03/09/2012
One critical reason why all of this is being considered hearsay is because it cannot be subject to cross-examination. Yes, he did say/write these things but because he is not here today for the defense to question him on it, it's considered hearsay
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10:23 AM on 03/09/2012
unfair but understandable I'm still puzzled how Troy Davis was put to death on witness testimony alone yet Casey Anthony killed her young daughter and got away with "insufficient evidence" There wasn't sufficient evidence against Troy Davis!
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02:53 PM on 03/16/2012
Is it different if the charge were murder? Seems pretty unfair if a murder victim's own words cannot be used against the person charged with their murder.
11:47 PM on 03/08/2012
There is no comparison between Casey and Ravi case. Dont understand on what exactly you wanted to say. Are you saying that Ravi is Criminal like casey, but got away because of weak Prosecution?
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Mari Fagel
09:04 AM on 03/09/2012
I believe in both cases prosecutors tried these defendants on charges for which they could not and cannot meet the burden of proof. In both cases I personally believe these defendants are guilty of the crime they're charged with - in Casey's case first degree murder, in Ravi's case bias intimidation - but in both cases there is not enough evidence for a jury to find them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
08:37 AM on 03/10/2012
Not sure about casey case, but i do think it is unfair to say that ravi is guilty of bias intimidation. He is atmost guilty of privacy invasion and that too is controversial as he shared the dorm room that is being used for "sexual activities" by who ever is sharing the room, which is what he was possibly picturing.

If ravi is a straight individual does not mean he has a bias, so i do think you might want to reconsider your opinion.
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Ed Baker
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01:48 PM on 03/08/2012
Of course the jury will let him off - the judge is straight, the jury is straight - straight people hate us - and whenever they are given the opportunity to express that hate - they do. Most of the jury would have probably loved to beat the kid to death themselves.
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11:58 AM on 03/08/2012
I hope Ravi is found guilty. I don't think he cared about anything other than the fact that Clementi was gay.

What bothers me is that Ravi is so immature. Both of my 20something year olds had gay friends all through high school and before. Neither of them would have engaged in this ridiculous voyerism. They are both too respectful of other people to be so crass.

I suspect Ravi got his attitudes toward gays from his parents. How sad.
11:04 AM on 03/08/2012
I am saddened by the outcome of this whole issue and I really hope this young man is exonerated as I cannot imagine 10 years in in a cell for someone who I will out-rightly state made irresponsible decisions. How can one invade the privacy of another when a room is being shared? The way I see it had Clementi respected his room-mate he would have taken his actions elsewhere. Whatever happened to motel/hotel rooms? I am definitely not anti-gay but when you make bad decisions expect bad outcomes. I also find Ravi (and the others who watched) disgusting as I cannot imagine why one would want to witness another person's sexual encounter but that may also be attributed to their age. I honestly don't want this outcome to be one where he is imprisoned for something like this.
09:23 PM on 03/09/2012
The case is complicated, but Dharun Ravi is being charged with invasion of privacy because he pointed the camera exclusively at Tyler Clementi's bed, and he put the video on the Internet with intent to humiliate Clementi. It would be different if Ravi had a security camera for the whole room, or if Ravi was the only one who viewed the video.

That being said, I kind of understand your point. I had a college roommate who tried to force me to leave the room so that he could have sex with his girlfriend. I found it very irritating, and Ravi may have thought that Clementi was being unreasonable by having his boyfriends over. Overall, I get the idea this whole incident has its origins in roommate conflict rather than homophobia.
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10:49 AM on 03/08/2012
The jurors will have to ask themselves even if he did contribute to the suicide was he the only one. The boy's mother may have contributed. Society no doubt did contribute. On the other hand, acquitting him of all charges would send the wrong message. However, even that is in doubt because the message that you could end up in a courtroom has already been set. Tough call.
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10:36 AM on 03/08/2012
Ravi will be found guilty of at least one crime, maybe two. Invasion of privacy definitely - only one count though, the 2nd attempt will be rejected. He may be found guilty of witness tampering and tampering with evidence. Bias intimidation will not stick. Now the challenge will be to find the invasion of privacy charge to be a misdemeanor or felony.

I think Ravi would have plead guilty to misdemeanor charges and done the required community service. However if he had plead guilty to a felony charge, he would have had to fight deportation. The prosecution did not really give him much choice with the plea which is why this went to trial.

The end result may be the same, guilty of felony, and deportation. He may even serve time.
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07:53 PM on 03/08/2012
I think you may be correct.

I still hope the jury finds him guilty on bias intimidation as well. Let Mr Ravi's defense team appeal it by all means, but I would like the trial (superior) court jury to find him guilty on that count.
09:15 AM on 03/08/2012
But Ravi has other things going against him. He all ready admitted to invasion of privacy, on a taped interview with NJ police. He also tried to tamper with evidence by erasing tweets and text messages about his streaming and of his intent to again stream the incident at another date. Ravi also told a witness what to say, if interrogated by authorities. So he will definitely have some charges that will stick.
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09:55 AM on 03/08/2012
Yes, I agree he will likely be found guilty the lesser charge of invasion of privacy, and possibly tampering with evidence as well. Yet, the question is, will those convictions stand up on appeal? Im not so sure. Still, charging him with bias intimidation was misguided only because its very difficult to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, in a complex case like this.
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Ed Baker
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01:49 PM on 03/08/2012
What kind of sentence would he get on those charges, if any?

I would expect the heterosexual jury to let him off completely - most of the jury probably would love to have killed Clementi themselves.
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07:52 PM on 03/08/2012
"Yet, the question is, will those convictions stand up on appeal?"

I searched for an online answer to this very question some days back.

Where can the defense appeal if the verdict goes against them. I take it the NJ Supreme Court itself has an Appellate Division? And if the Appellate Court rules in the Superior (Trial) Court's favor as well, what then? Where can they appeal?

Also about the sentencing: What has been Judge Berman's sentencing history? Assuming the defendant is found guilty on some of the 15 counts, are the sentences likely to run concurrently or non-concurrently?

As I understand it, Mr Ravi needs a minimum imprisonment term of 1 year for the federal government to initiate deportation proceedings against him. Further, an offense that is a misdemeanor under state law might be an aggravated felony under federal law for the purposes of deportation. Or the federal government may seek to deport him for committing a crime of "moral turpitude".
12:11 AM on 03/08/2012
Seriously? You hadn't even addressed any of Clementi's real issues. Especially the ones with this own parents. Please touch that subject before you come out with garbage article.
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Mari Fagel
09:10 AM on 03/09/2012
This is not a post about Clementi and why he committed suicide. This is a post about Ravi and why I believe the jury will be unable to find him guilty of the most serious crime he is charged with. There is a lot of backstory to Clementi's suicide, yes, including his parents, his religion, his upbringing, etc. Yet, this post is focusing on how the trial is playing out and why there is not enough evidence to find Ravi guilty of bias intimidation.
08:08 PM on 03/07/2012
Mari Fagel, first, you are drawing a wrong parallel of Dharun Ravi's case with that of Casey Anthony's.

Second, please note that Dharun Ravi did not say "keep the gays away" out of the blue. When his friend remarked that she hoped M.B. would not use Ravi's bed, he responded that he hoped so too and added "keep the gays away".

Third, Clementi may have had several issues going on, for example he had told a friend that though his father had been ok with his coming out, his mother found it unacceptable. There may have been several reasons for his decision. The contents of his suicide note are unknown.

Fourth, just to make an example of somebody in order to put a stop to cyber bullying, find the right example. Dharun Ravi has been punished enough for his crimes.

Fifth, am I the only one who sees that Clementi had systematically done various actions particularly on the last day before he committed suicide, to get Ravi punished to the maximum. And, by drowning, he wanted to ensure that Ravi went down with him too.

The public who want Dharun Ravi to be punished severely in jail want to see this immigrant with a wealthy background brought to his knees. They should understand that the whole of America is a nation of immigrants who established themselves on the blood of native American Indians and African slaves, unlike Dharun Ravi's family who would have risen up through hard work.
02:00 AM on 03/08/2012
I agree with most of your post. I disagree with one thing, though, and that is when you say that Clementi set things up to punish Ravi. If you read the New Yorker article, his state of mind toward Ravi was annoyance, rather than anger. In fact, he said that Ravi, aside from this bad behavior, was a "decent roommate." Also keep in mind that Tyler knew that all that had ever been seen on camera was a kiss -- innocent enough.

My guess is that Tyler had probably been contemplating suicide for a while. It's quite possible that the liaison with M.B. may have had some affect on his suicide. Maybe he was expecting it to be something it wasn't.

And, there's the issue of his mother's rejection. So much going on there. But while many believe that suicide is the action of someone who is getting back at someone, I honestly don't think he was getting back at Ravi. He knew Ravi was just a dumb jerk. You don't commit suicide over someone like that. It's usually someone who has hurt you way more deeply.
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07:25 AM on 03/08/2012
The public who want Dharun Ravi to be punished severely in jail want to see this immigrant with a wealthy background brought to his knees. They should understand that the whole of America is a nation of immigrants who established themselves on the blood of native American Indians and African slaves, unlike Dharun Ravi's family who would have risen up through hard work.

Ravi's family are NOT immigrants, they are here on visas. As for "hard work" I have met many Indians here on visas (not immigrants). They were wealthy in India and are wealthy here. They do NOT NOT come penniless like earlier immigrants. They do not see America as their home. They come to make money and leave. Ravi is a spoiled Indian prince with no regard for anyone but himself. He should be deported and rot in jail.
01:22 PM on 03/08/2012
This is exactly the kind of anti-South Asian immigrant bigotry (yes, immigrants, the family are immigrants; they have been living here since Ravi was a toddler) that Susan Davids was referring to. When I read it, I thought it was stretching things, until I saw blueskies99's post, which confirms the worst.

With this kind of poison, I fear that there may be people on the jury who hate gays, and others who hate Indian immigrants. There are certainly enough of them outside the jury.
02:02 PM on 03/08/2012
You say he has no regard for anyone but himself. That describes many of the people I come into contact with every single day. Narcissism has become a very common affliction. So acting like he's the only self-absorbed teen boy ever is pretty ridiculous, especially with this generation that can only look at the Blackberrys and has no attention span whatsoever.
07:02 PM on 03/07/2012
Mari Fagel, you have got your facts slightly wrong when you have written: "The only real evidence to support that charge came when Ravi's friend since high school, Michelle Huang, testified Monday that Ravi tweeted her "we have to keep the gays away" after inviting her to a viewing party".

Actually, it was reported that in one of her interactions with Dharun Ravi, Michelle Huang had remarked to him that she hoped M.B. would not use his bed. Dharun Ravi responded by saying he hoped so too, and added "we have to keep the gays away". So in this context, his response cannot be taken as bias against gays. This is not evidence to support the charge against him.
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03:16 PM on 03/07/2012
The question is would Mr. Ravi have setup a webcam if his roommate were NOT gay? I suspect the answer is no. For that charge do you have to prove that he intended to intimidate him due to Tyler being gay, or just be prompted to act because Tyler was gay?
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Mari Fagel
09:57 AM on 03/08/2012
In order to convict someone of bias intimidation it would have to be proven that he intended to intimidate Clementi because of his sexual orientation, and proving his intentions in a complex case like this is very difficult.
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10:55 AM on 03/08/2012
I really think you are overstepping the line and fanning the flames by saying "While it seems clear to us, the public, that Ravi is to blame for the death of Tyler Clementi." How could you say something so irresponsible. We are talking about a young man's life here. You are accusing him of being responsible for someone's death, when all he is guilty of is being a jerk. You can't blame a person's choice to commit suicide on anyone but the person who took their own life. There is CLEARLY more to Clementi's issues than just his roommate, who he called "a pretty decent roommate." So instead of trying to immitate the bloodthirsty Nancy Grace, maybe you ought to use the power of the pen for good, instead of stating such irresponsible and psychologically erroneous charges.
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02:21 PM on 03/07/2012
The only decision the jury can logically make is that this trial is a witch hunt, no one has the expectation of privacy in a room others have free access to, including remotly controlling his computer that is in his room. The only thing that is making this an issue is the sexual preference of the other person.
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09:53 PM on 03/07/2012
Interesting. No one has the expectation of privacy in a room others have free access to?

Is there any case law on this?
09:27 AM on 03/08/2012
I am new to this country, but i think for any country on earth whether it is a very poor third world country with people having little to eat and few dollars to spend, when a person is brought to trial and the majority of public opinion decide that a person is guilty, then he/she would get a guilty verdict.
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12:05 PM on 03/08/2012
Case law? Ravi just as well could have come back to his room with a bunch of his friends to get his car keys or books for a class. And since he's paying for the room, he would have every right to do so. It would be wrong, if not illegal to prevent Ravi from entering the room.
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Ed Baker
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01:51 PM on 03/08/2012
Sorry - wrong. Dorm rooms are one's private residence, and there are protocols one has with one's roommates for privacy.

Go to college and stay in a dorm.