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Libor Fraud Was Happening In 1991, Trader Says, 17 Years Before Timothy Geithner Claims He Knew

Posted: 07/27/2012 12:32 pm

Tim Geithner claims he learned of Libor manipulation when the rest of us commoners did, in 2008. New evidence keeps coming out suggesting he should have known much, much earlier.

The latest example -- which puts the earliest time-stamp on Libor manipulation we've seen yet -- is a Financial Times op-ed by former Morgan Stanley trader Douglas Keenan. He claims that Libor, a key short-term bank lending rate that affects mortgages and other interest rates throughout the economy, was being jerked around for fun and profit as long ago as 1991.

Let that sink in for just a minute: Libor was being manipulated 17 years before the financial crisis and Geithner's babe-in-the-woods discovery of it, according to Keenan. Geithner wasn't in charge of the New York Fed at the time, but if this was widespread knowledge years before his arrival, it makes you wonder how he could not have heard about it for so long.

Now here's another Keenan allegation that will blow your mind. He notes that the guy running Morgan Stanley's rate-trading desk back then was none other than Bob Diamond. Yes, the same Bob Diamond that ended up becoming Barclays CEO, only to step down because his bank manipulated Libor like most people change socks.

Keenan doesn't say he has any evidence that Diamond was some sort of Libor-manipulatin' Ninja back in 1991. But Keenan does say that it was widespread knowledge even then that banks lied habitually about Libor.

He found this out when, in his early days on the trading desk, he noticed that Libor fixings -- set by a panel of banks, who declare, on a hilarious honor system, what their borrowing costs are -- were noticeably different from what financial markets predicted they should be:

Futures contracts on three-month Libor were -- and are -- traded on the London International Financial Futures Exchange (Liffe, now part of NYSE Euronext). There was a standard contract for the month of September. That contract had its rate settled on the third Wednesday of the month, at 11 o'clock.

In 1991, I had live trading screens that showed the Libor rates. In September of that year, on the third Wednesday, at 11 o'clock, I watched those screens to see where the futures contract should settle. Shortly afterwards, Liffe announced the contract settlement rate. Its rate was different from what had been shown on my screens, by a few hundredths of a per cent.

That few hundredths of a percentage point doesn't sound like a very big deal, but it adds up, day after day after day, on hundreds of trillions of dollars' worth of loans and derivatives contracts. Keenan says it was costing him money on his trades, and he complained to Liffe about it, getting nowhere.

Then he complained about it to his new buddies on the trading desk, who all laughed and laughed at him (emphasis mine):

I talked with some of my more experienced colleagues about this. They told me banks misreported the Libor rates in a way that would generally bring them profits. I had been unaware of that, as I was relatively new to financial trading. My naivety seemed to be humorous to my colleagues.


Imagine how hilarious Tim Geithner's naivete must seem to them! He had, after all, been in charge of the New York Federal Reserve since 2003. That organization runs point in the financial markets for the Fed and thus has intimate knowledge of and involvement in interest rates, including Libor. New York Fed officials talk all the time to people in the market. Somewhere along the way you might think they'd have heard about Libor manipulation.

In fact, they definitely heard about it at least once, in 1998, from Fed analyst Jeremy Berkowitz, who wrote a paper raising alarms about the accuracy of Libor and the ease with which it could be manipulated. Anecdotes in his paper dated back to 1996.

As Business Insider's Simone Foxman wrote, the report "suggests that the Fed was already ... concerned about the effects of inaccurate reporting by banks about their lending practices ten years before the financial crisis. Further, acknowledgments that a very small contingent of banks potentially could manipulate rates suggests that the Fed may very well have seen this coming."

And yet somehow Geithner only found out about Libor manipulation in 2008, a decade later.

This is an extraordinary missed opportunity, if it's true. Although it's hard to imagine what Geithner would have done about Libor manipulation had he learned earlier, considering his "actions" after his late discovery of it. He apparently didn't tell British regulators that the New York Fed had direct evidence that Barclays had admitted to not submitting an "honest" Libor. He didn't raise alarm bells in the market about the possibility that Libor was not accurate. He didn't tell U.S. banks to cool it with the Libor fraud.

What's more, he allowed Libor to be used in loans to banks under the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility and to American International Group, rubber-stamping Libor's legitimacy and potentially costing taxpayers millions, if not billions, of dollars.

Geithner's response raises questions about just how cozy he and other regulators have been with the banks they're supposed to be regulating -- and makes it even harder to believe his claim of utter cluelessness about Libor manipulation before 2008.

 
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Alux
Pull the Wool Over Your Own Eyes!
01:56 AM on 07/30/2012
Aha! It's all Bush's fault!

Bush 41, that is.
02:00 AM on 08/02/2012
It's been "happening" for over the last 30 years. Every proceeding POTUS has had their thumb in the proverbial pie... It is Bush 1 and 2's fault. Along with Clinton, Reagan and Obama... If one does "cogent research" one might conclude Nixon also played his part (and others as well)... OR the congress since after the war WWII (1947) they passed two laws exempting Health Insurers from the Sherman and Clayton anti-trust act. Health care debate/reform and continuing conflict is a paper dragon, just like regulating the Financial sector, Citizens United and the Tax issue... It's all designed conflict that serves the purpose of "never" being resolved and continuing the conflict.. There's only one political party and it has two wings... one wing is called the democratic party and the other is called the Republican party... They all work for and serve the same master... and it ain't you, me or John Q, Public... Liberals and Conservative.... just more people to succumb to the "lizard" brain propaganda... Damn Right Bush is to blame. Just like those that proceeded him and apparently the guy that followed as well... But be like all the other drones and choose your "party" and bicker bicker bicker while all those that play their roll as the Mighty Oz behind that curtain keeps making deposits in their Swiss and Cayman Island tax shelters.
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Alux
Pull the Wool Over Your Own Eyes!
05:29 AM on 08/02/2012
I could not agree with you more.
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BigBearcatBill
This is the real Bearcat - a Binturong
01:42 AM on 07/30/2012
Heck Geithner may have been raised on fraud in MBA school, he probably was finishing it about then. Went downhill after JFK assassinated and Ike left office, when LBJ took over it was all about making contractors rich and has been ever since...maybe they are taking us hostage and will leave or help the aliens when they land, only threat I can figure out would be so nasty to do whatever contractors want...Goldfinger!
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09:33 PM on 07/29/2012
Of course he knew. He's a Wall Street criminal.
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Terri Skau
SĂ­... bajo una hermosa luna de la cosecha...
08:51 PM on 07/29/2012
I was taught as a child that trust is two-way street...And they expect us to "TRUST" them after what they've done....They can all go and you know what to do with themselves..:-))
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gclum
08:27 PM on 07/29/2012
Geithner needs to be fired and NO more bank executives in the position of Secretary of the Treasury. The big banks seem to be the enemy of the state recently. Time they are treated as such.
07:45 PM on 07/29/2012
I feel bad for the financially illiterate that are foolish enough to get their financial news from someone who thinks interest rate swaps are credit derivatives.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
03:33 PM on 07/29/2012
The entire Financial System is one big fraud where people make money off money, not by creating jobs.

Every day there is more and more money being removed from the system (wealth inequality) by the .01%, to put into safe investments that do not create jobs.

More and more money parked in accounts that produce 15% or less in Tax Revenue, vs creating Jobs where people pay 35% in Tax Revenue. (Wealth Inequality = Fewer Jobs and Less Tax Revenue).
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
12:48 PM on 07/29/2012
The whole financial industry, making money from money, from the corporations to the regulators are all involved in fraud upon the working people. Fraud means jail time and long stretches to reign in and stop this brutaal action on their part.
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Mark Cormier Arizona
2012 has put us on the path to Europe
10:42 PM on 07/28/2012
Just another example of the "genius" that Obama continues to surround himself with.
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Taninthesummer
Left of center moderate independent
05:03 PM on 07/29/2012
I agree that Tim Geithner and Larry Summers were awful choices. Obama did not make a good decision in their cases. However, Bush II had Rumsfield, Cheney, and "Brownie", just to name a few....blecchh!
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
07:06 PM on 07/28/2012
But, what does it all mean, Mr. Bernanke? Economic collapse? Hardly. They can stack the deck any way they want, and people can foam at the mouth and raise hell about it, and next year, they're going to print another trillion just like they did this year. The grand game continues...
06:51 PM on 07/28/2012
Are any of you *watching* what goes on with our monetary system? I didn't think so.

So what is to stop them all from scamming everyone?

Absolutely nothing.
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mansterEZ
searching for secular humanist fact-based truth
06:29 PM on 07/28/2012
Timmy G lied his way past the Senate to become Treasury Secretary, it's no surprise we are uncovering some more lies now. This guy is a real tool for the financial sector. He can't be gone soon enough.
02:13 PM on 07/28/2012
Funny, Barney Frank yesterday was blaming Bush and said Timmy G knew nothing of this.

Then again, Barney is rarely correct but he loves hearing himself talk.
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byoungusa
yes, a proud working american and a socialist
01:24 PM on 07/28/2012
Libor rigging 17 years before this so called scandal. This is only a trickle of truth about a system that has never been honest. It has been and is rigged from the top to the bottom. Dirty money, Dirty players, and millions of nameless, faceless victims who live they're lives in quiet desperation thinking that somehow it must be them that is failing to achieve the same american dream as they're Fathers. This particular scandal is having some trouble getting any traction with the masses because its not a subject they are familiar with and it alittle more difficult to trace the Libor rates to "you"re" own financial situation for most of us. But rigging Libor is by far the most efficient way for an institution to make fantastic profits, fractions of cents at a time! The victims don't even know they have been robbed, and thats always the best kind of robbery.
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Intolerantcentrist
No thanks…I brought my own air.
12:23 PM on 07/28/2012
Geithner knew all he needed to know about the massive fraud; he exclusively held all the authority needed to end the fraud in the US and deal with the consequence of the fraud in the US; yet he did nothing. The focus of these stories should not be on who knew and when, but rather why did those who held authority over these institutions did not act in an effective and substantial manner to resolve (either through regulation, criminal referral, or creditor leverage) the fraud based upon the information?