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Why Unemployment Should Be 6.8 Percent, Not 7.8 Percent

Posted: 10/05/2012 12:52 pm

The latest jobs numbers could have been much worse -- but they also could have been a lot better.

September's stunning drop in the unemployment rate, from 8.1 percent to 7.8 percent, could boost President Obama's reelection chances, and it is clearly a step in the right direction. But that could be a small comfort to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of workers who might still be employed right now if the government had made different choices.

For example, had Congress passed the American Jobs Act last year instead of letting it die, there might have been an extra 1.3 million to 1.9 million new jobs created this year, according to estimates by Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody's Analytics, respectively.

If you simply divide those estimates up by quarters -- an unscientific approach, admittedly -- you could guesstimate that the AJA would have produced an extra 975,000 to 1.4 million jobs through the first three quarters of the year (i.e., through September). Let's call it a million, just for funsies. Assuming no change in the labor force, and just subtracting that million people from the 12 million unemployed in September, you get the unemployment rate down to 7.2 percent from 7.8 percent.

On top of that, you could add the 575,000 government jobs that have been cut since Obama took office in January 2009. Had the federal government not shed workers and cut off aid to the states, it's theoretically possible -- arguably, would have been preferable -- that the government could have added jobs, or at least not cut any. That extra 575,000 workers -- again, assuming no change in the labor force -- gets unemployment down to 6.8 percent. We haven't seen 6.8 percent unemployment since November 2008.

Obviously, these numbers are complete speculation. We'll never know for sure what would have happened had different decisions been made, but we can bet the jobs numbers would look a good bit better.

Congress certainly bears a large share of the blame, particularly for standing in the way of the AJA. But Obama deserves some blame, too, for falling sway to the perverse deficit obsession that has gripped Washington, despite the worst recession since the Great Depression and an anemic recovery. He's allowing government to shrink when it should have expanded to offset weak private demand.

The risk of a half-decent jobs report like September's is that it might cause policymakers to lose sight of how far the job market still has to go. The bulk of the jobs picked up in the September report were part-time jobs. Many of the jobs created in the recovery have been lower-wage jobs. The unemployment rate among those ages 18 to 29 is 11.8 percent. African-Americans are suffering a 13.4 percent unemployment rate. More than 1.7 million Americans have been unemployed for 99 weeks or more.

Meanwhile, the fiscal cliff of tax increases and spending cuts is looming at the end of the year, and Europe could blow up at any moment. It's not time to celebrate.

 
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First Blast
res ad triarios venit
07:37 PM on 10/15/2012
Well, with over a million unemployed legal immigrants coming here every year along with countless illegals it comes as no surprise we have a jobs problem.
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darhmann
To err is to be human to forgive is to be Democrat
09:49 AM on 10/10/2012
The question should be why would the Repubobstructionists pass any job bill that would help this country....and help Obama? It is obvious where the NEOCons have their interests, not in the American people.
07:24 AM on 10/10/2012
So now the left is fine with below poverty wages.
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03:25 AM on 10/10/2012
spin OR speculation . . .
. . . desperately uncomfortable
theoretical 'cooking' the books . . .
. . . is it 'better' then actual cooking
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01:07 AM on 10/10/2012
we don't need more government jobs, we need more private sector jobs. We have states going bankrupt because we can't afford these people. You may be lowering the unemployment rate by adding more bureaucracy, but you are not helping the economy.
03:56 AM on 10/10/2012
quick trigger there bro, the nothing mention about gov gigs; I am in CA, we are so far in the hole it will be a long time just to get par; still lots of hiring and building... entire new sub.Ds going up...I know the central valley cannot give houses away but close to the major hubs... it is popping.
09:47 AM on 10/10/2012
From the article:
On top of that, you could add the 575,000 government jobs that have been cut since Obama took office in January 2009. Had the federal government not shed workers and cut off aid to the states, it's theoretically possible -- arguably, would have been preferable -- that the government could have added jobs, or at least not cut any. That extra 575,000 workers -- again, assuming no change in the labor force -- gets unemployment down to 6.8 percent. We haven't seen 6.8 percent unemployment since November 2008.
12:12 AM on 10/10/2012
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According to the Obama administration, in their January 2009 report, the Stimulus was supposed to keep unemployment below 8% and, by now, was supposed to be at 5.5%

http://www.thompson.com/images/thompson/nclb/openresources/obamaeconplanjan9.pdf

Without the stimulus, the Obama administration presumed we would have seen 9% unemployment.

What we got, with the stimulus, was close to 10% unemployment.

And no one can explain why the August U-6 unemployment rate was 14.7% and the September U-6 rate remained at 14.7%.

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03:58 AM on 10/10/2012
you failed to mention a few things, like the stim was smaller that the figures you are using to project numbers.  Also lots of GOP like Christy sitting on $$, GOP laser like focus only works on wombs.
10:38 PM on 10/09/2012
Welch said 7.8% is too low. This Gongloff person said that 7.8% is too high. The first job stimulus did nothing. His using estimates from a couple of financial analysts means nothing. They are only estimates of the unemployment rate if the second job stimulus package passed. When Bush left office, the unemployment rate was 7.8%. This according the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Nothing has changed in four year. Basically, financial analysts don't know with 100% certainty that a second job stimulus package would reduce the unemployment rate. These same analysts that Gongloff is quoting said the first job stimulus program would reduce the unemployment rate. No change in four years.
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lawa
row, row your boat
08:54 PM on 10/09/2012
as long as the same factors are consistently considered in the equation for figureing the employment percentages it makes no difference. It make the playing field as level as it will ever be., Elderly, youth, military, students, part time, temps, disabled, and on and on are elements of the rate of employment,
07:41 PM on 10/09/2012
The GOP's primary goal is to deny President Obama a second term, and their secondary goal is to further line the pockets of the 1%. Getting people back to work is probably the GOP's lowest priority, after banning flag burning, banning choice and contraception, taking away the right to vote of everyone who might not vote for them, dismantling Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, mandating teaching creationism and religion (only Christianity, of course) in the public schools, etc.

If people actually elect the GOP, they truly get the screwing – I mean government – they deserve.
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ladyrosedeky
07:11 AM on 10/10/2012
What public schools?

If they get put in office, it's going back to total private education if they have their way. Although with the plan to go to war with Iran will reduce the world population so their won't be that many to educate in the long run by their calculation. Therefore, they will only have to educate the priviledged class and once again education will be for the few who can afford it.

What do people think they are going to get when they elect a president who believes that you create the kingdom of God on Earth and his foreign advisers have issued a report under the name, LIGNET Group, which states war with Iran is necessary but this will cause the collapse of the global economy?

Seriously folks. What do you think is going to happen when you put these people back in office?
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KMoore4
Quick: Enjoy my comment before it's deleted.
07:59 AM on 10/10/2012
The GOP's primary goal is to deny President Obama a second term; and the best weapon in their arsenal to accomplish this is Obama's own policies and actions.
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06:55 PM on 10/09/2012
It is brutally sad that the GOP has deliberately acted to obstruct efforts to generate more jobs. The leaders of both the Senate and the House openly declared nearly 4 years ago that they will obstruct anything to try to damage President Obama. The GOP paved the way during the Bush years for the 2008 financial disaster, and ever since, they have actively kept Americans out of work, damaging thousands of families, many of whom will never fully recover.

And for what? All to try to win the White House. The GOP has readily sacrificed the opportunity for Americans to be fully employed for the possibility of furthering their political and ideological goals. That is just sick, beyond measure. The "47%" need to stick together and end this nonsense. Etch-a-Sketch Romney tells his audience whatever he thinks they want to hear, whatever will 'sell' them...but the reality is, he uttered those "47%" words, and he stood by them for several days. Now of course, he supposedly loves us un-wealthy people. But as Romney has proven, he will pander to whoever he needs, to get their vote, to get their money. And if he were to be elected, is there any doubt who would be buying his favor? It would be the Jack Welches of the world. Because apparently, the Jack Welches of the world can never have too much money.
Enough is enough. The founding fathers never, ever, intended this country to be a plutocracy.
06:06 PM on 10/09/2012
AJA would have put millions to work, instead congress wants to make the few that have work become even more wealthy.
05:45 PM on 10/09/2012
The REAL unemployment number is much higher than 7.8%. I've read this article and the comments and am amazed you think the AJA would have done anything to improve the situation. Barack Obama is a good man who cares about this country, but he was a young inexperienced man who just got elected to the Senate and announced his presidential candidacy almost immediately after winning his Senate seat. He filled his administration with academics, people who never started a business or had to make a payroll. When things got tough, they left and went back to their schools where they could continue dreaming about their little world and to hell with the reality of a severely crippled economy. How many people in this country are underemployed? What does a man do with a $13.00 per hour part-time job with no benefits. If he owns a home and has a family, do you think he can pay his mortgage and the rest of his bills? Do you think he can save and send his kids to college? This president was handed the worst economy since FDR and he did not pick the right people to help him get it going in the right direction. I am a 53 year old man who had his business destroyed by this economy. I cannot collect unemployment because I was self employed so I dont even exist in that 7.8%. Please tell me what the AJA would do for me. Absolutely nothing.
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DANIELISTICALL
HISTORY IS BUT A FABLE AGREED UPON,,NAPOLEON
10:04 PM on 10/09/2012
Just think if we count all the dead people in detriot,,(just the ones that are not working),, the rate would be much higher,,, and if we count all the people in prison (just the ones who are not working) it would go even higher
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travelingblogger
04:00 PM on 10/09/2012
Boehner made it very clear in after Obama was elected and even went on Congressional record with it: "This Congress will never work with the new president. Our only job is to get him out of a job." Boehner and his gestapo GOP ensured that every bill Obama wanted passed was either stalled or killed. They couldn't have cared less if it meant putting every American to work, they just wanted Obama to look as bad as possible. They only cooperated when they knew they had no choice.

We don't need a new president. Obama is just fine. The president needs a new Congress. Make it happen in November.
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cgoodie
Still empty
06:00 PM on 10/09/2012
Amen! And it's amazing to me how Romney is managing to separate himself from those policies and thus cause Americans to forget this whole debacle that is the republican house of representatives.
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condokinghhi
never angry; always right!
03:56 PM on 10/09/2012
YEAH, AND IF I COULD CRAP HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS AT WILL, I WOULD NEVER BE LATE ON MY MORTGAGE PAYMENTS... RIGHT?
03:08 PM on 10/09/2012
If...and then if...but what about if...and don't forget if Obama hadn't been elected...
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Imaliberal67
We'll be great when 100% is part of the 1%
05:32 PM on 10/09/2012
We already know what would have happened.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb
bomb, bomb Iran."

And everyone knows wars started by Republicans are free and have no influence whatsoever on our debt and overall financial standing.
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cgoodie
Still empty
06:01 PM on 10/09/2012
We would still be in Iraq and no end in site to Afghanistan.