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Know Any Takers?

Posted: 09/16/11 07:41 PM ET

Like almost all human traits, giving and taking exist along a continuum. At the far left and negative end are the "Takers" and the extreme negative end of those, the "Grabbers." Yuck. Grabbers can be very ugly. At the right and positive end are the "Reciprocators," and at the most positive far end, the pure "Givers." Givers are a blessing to you, and people you should treasure and emulate.

I like to give generously, and I don't like to keep score, but on the other hand I don't like to be taken advantage of. Years ago I gave to some people who not only turned out to be takers and grabbers, but psychopaths. I didn't get angry at them, but boy did I feel foolish. In fact, for a while I didn't give to anyone unless I was sure of getting something in return. Even though I prevented people from taking advantage of me, I didn't like approaching life from a "quid pro quo" position.

I finally came upon a formula that works for me, and if you're someone who likes to give but also doesn't like to be taken advantage of, it might work for you.

I do my best to surround myself with givers, or at least reciprocators, and when I find them, I add them as people I intend to have a long-term, and in many cases lifelong, relationship with.

When I run into takers and grabbers at the negative end, I try to identify them as early as possible* and only give to them as part of a trade where I immediately ask for something in return. As I get older, my preference is to have as little to do with these types as possible, because if you're generous by nature, even if you stay on your toes, takers and grabbers will get the better of you, and you can come to resent that.

The far more interesting realization has been regarding the vast majority of people who are in the belly of the bell shape curve above. I refer to those people as "Receivers." They are people that you can do many things for, and even though they don't give or reciprocate spontaneously, they are not takers or grabbers. It's just that they don't spontaneously think to offer something back to you, unless you ask them to do something. They are not bad or greedy people. In most cases, they're just trying to survive. When you do ask them, they will willingly and often gladly oblige and then do that favor for you that you ask. So, rather than getting your feelings all hurt when they don't spontaneously offer you something in return, stop playing the martyr and just ask them.

* One of the best ways to identify "Takers" and "Grabbers" early, if your gut is sending you signals, is to immediately say to them after they pressure you to do something, "Oh, by the way, that reminds me of something you could do for me." If they show any signs of pushing back or even appearing perplexed, that is a good sign that you are dealing with a taker or a grabber.

A while back I did that with someone who was a "dyed in the wool" taker and grabber. After I asked him for a favor, and he looked almost offended, I said to him: "My offer that I made to you is off the table. Have a nice day."

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rodjard
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10:05 AM on 10/04/2011
One old expression we use upen first greeting someone around
here is meant as a joke to defer a person from being seen as a taker.
It is "What can I do you for?" It doesm't take much to see through people.
The problem in todays world is that people have become used to the idea
that in order to increase their own lot someone elses must be deminished.
Working together, everyone can gain many times over. Until more people
come to see this rational, we will all continue in our downward spiral.
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rodjard
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12:44 PM on 10/03/2011
As the economy gets worse people are 'fishing in waters' they wouldn't be
otherwise to make ends meet. There isn't enough to go around and
sharring gets more difficult, so greed sets in for survival. Sharing and
helping one another will let us survive better, but people get afraid and
become selfish.
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rodjard
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12:20 PM on 10/03/2011
All my life I would never have thought of taking a dime from a
fixed income social security elderly person. I would have
sought to help them if I could. Now, People seem to see me
as a cash cow for what little I have no matter my own sacrifice
on their behalf. I love them anyhow. I guess that is why.
10:56 PM on 09/27/2011
I find this article to be a little strange. Someone who only gives because they expect something in return is not a real "giver." If you care about other people, you want to help them out regardless of whether or not they can or will reciprocate. Anything less is selfishness in disguise.
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04:26 PM on 09/24/2011
I find the worst 'takers' are the ones with power, the ones who can simply 'take' and don't have to ask or explain. One example is my brother, who had much influence over my mother, and appproached her after I had started helping her write her memoirs. He took the task over, even referring to himself as 'editor'. He had no experience, and no particular talent, and had never been that close to her as I had been. He even charged her several hundred dollars for 'publishing' it - self-publishing. I know from publishing my MA research in hard cover form that it doesn't cost anything as much as what he claimed off her. He is a 'taker' in the true sense of the word, yet because he has money, a career, a family who support his lies, he gets to come across as the one with a good reputation.

I find too, with people like my brother, that what they tend to do is give a little back, but nothing close to what one should be getting. But their way of thinking is based on the idea that those who have the most deserve even more, I believe, while the rest of us who are struggling are left continuing to struggle.
09:34 PM on 09/23/2011
Great piece. Enjoyed the comment at the end and will use that exercise in the future, when needed. Thank you.
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04:49 PM on 09/21/2011
The article pointed out by Brenda is similar in ways to the present one we are discussing. As I said in an earlier post, this piece ignores the social context. Likewise, the one mentioned by Brenda. It takes language, and manipulates it - or at least the writer/therapist manipulates it and tries to get her client to ignore what might be happening in her friend's life. There is no discussion about what difficulties the friend may be having. this article is indeed problematic. It is pop-psychology drivel aimed at middle-class pseudo self-awareness junkies who need to find a reason to ignore anyone who is not in their little social group and "laugh uproariously" at their own supposed new awareness. Meanwhile, there are people out there - friends, acquaintenances, who are losing their jobs and lives, as the economy fails to get back to normal. Lucky those men and women - esepcially the ones who hook up and marry - making their lives even better while those without decent jobs struggle to survive.
10:45 AM on 09/21/2011
Interesting article, and apt considering an article I read earlier today in LA Magazine, where Jane Lynch does "The Work" with Byron Katie
http://www.lamag.com/features/Story.aspx?ID=1535717
It looks at the shame, guilt and resentment that Lynch is feeling towards a friend who she feels is a taker. For those of you not familiar with Byron Katie, she had a very dramatic enlightenment nearly 30 years ago, which produced what is known as "The Work". Check it out http://www.thework.com/index.php
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12:50 AM on 09/21/2011
All the takers I know are in management.
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08:35 AM on 09/21/2011
But that's their job - it's what management does. In return, one could say they (or the company) pays the employee. So it's more or less reciprocal.

What I was getting at in my post was that over the course of a lifetime people may find themselves giving more than taking - mothers, for instance, or stay-at-home dads. For someone to judge another on their immediate ability to reciprocate is immature.
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08:33 PM on 09/20/2011
This is nonsense. But I will 'give' my feedback on this piece regardless.

It completely ignores social context. People are not always able to 'give'. Life isn't about 'an eye for an eye'. And this tale isn't about 'give and take'

Well-spoken! from a middle class perspective where you have started off privileged - advantaged therefore, Mark. Some people - like housewives of yesteryear - gave and gave and gave, and got nothing back. if they stayed in the marriage, hopefully the man would eventually come to realize that he took and took and took, and at some point, the right thing to do was to give back. A lot of men did, giving their wives, finally, the support they needed to pursue their dreams. If it didn't happen, the result could well have been divorce. But what is a woman to do then, when the best years of youth - of sexual attractivness - have been taken away from her. I'd be interested in hearing what Mark's views on sex are - the same as most men who see themselves as gods.

Life is not fair. Some people are obliged to keep giving, and get little or nothing back. This is my blog, in case the author would like to return the favour and leave a comment: http://suemcpherson.blogspot.com/
05:15 PM on 09/19/2011
A way to characterize this is with various types of "game theory" in particular the Red/Black game and its variants.

A team that "votes black" consistently wins both individually and collectively; but if one person cheats (ie, is the "taker" in the group), that one person wins something but the group gives it up and there is no net gain or loss.

Getting four people to consistently vote "black" (giver) is extremely rare.

Its application in society is the success of any kind of communal living arrangment or socialism is highly vulnerable to cheaters (freeloaders). The implication is "forget it" on any group larger than four!
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Sarah Trickey
love, luck and lollipops. Narf!
12:51 AM on 09/19/2011
Thank you! That is the soundest advice - and I can definately use it as I have difficulty saying 'no'.
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07:01 PM on 09/21/2011
Sarah, I hope you find the advice useful. Some people, in some situations, would do well to say no, but it does depend on the circumstances, and as I mentioned in other comments, saying no isn't supposed to always be about the person being asked to give. Saying No to a friend who is in need seems rather heartless, though the writers quoted in this forum seem to think that one shouldn't need to feel guilty about turning someone down. Well I think there are circumstances when people *should* feel guilty about their actions, especially if they are privileged. The woman in the article mentioned by Brenda is on the point of refelcting on why she is in a good position in life and why the person who is asking a favour of her isn't. well in my view, people do need to reflect upon this, and be truthful, if they can, about how they got whee they are. We still live in a world where it is who you know and who your parents are and who you marry that matter most. And since feminism, well-place working women can partner up with well-placed men and do extremely well for themselves. And where does that leave the rest of us, who don't have those advantages?

I am getting from this article (and the other) a sense of the narcissism that the me generation is known for. This kind of thought can only do our society further harm.
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Sarah Trickey
love, luck and lollipops. Narf!
03:27 PM on 09/23/2011
I agree with your assessment, wholeheartedly and undisputedly.
When I was younger, a stranger did me a great favor asking only in return that I give a similar favor upon at least one other person in need when I can, as I can. I practice that philosophy of 'give that others may, also', often - that there are times when it is prudent to say 'no' is difficult for me to concieve, but I'm not priveledged to give what I'd like to, what I feel I ought to, I can only give so much in only so many ways and I feel guilty that I can't give more.