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Posted: December 8, 2009 11:52 AM

Climategate! Another Diversion From "Liberal" Science

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Stephen Colbert famously complained that "reality has a liberal bias." Now, as 192 nations meet in Copenhagen on climate change, the Right and Business have seized on some stolen emails to argue against the nearly unanimous scientific judgment that global warming is a real and present danger. We've seen this movie before...call it Fatal Distraction.

There's the scientific method, until recently not identified with a particular party or ideology, which questions premises with examples, evidence, and peer-reviewed studies. And then there's a faith-based method of reasoning, which basically is more catechistic than empiric -- that is, instead of facts leading to conclusions, conclusions lead to facts. At the intersection of science and politics, remember Terry Schiavo and tobacco causing cancer?

Because the Schiavo story was appealing to to pro-life conservatives -- notwithstanding every medical diagnosis -- Republican leaders from President Bush to Majority Leader Tom DeLay to Senator Bill Frist all argued in 2005 that this brain-dead woman was alive and that her husband shouldn't exercise an end-of-life decision.

And in 1994, eight tobacco executives swore under oath that they didn't know whether tobacco caused cancer. Yes, there were countless correlations between smoking and the deaths of smokers -- first declared as fact in the 1964 Surgeon's General Report -- but was there proof?

For a while in both cases, politics trumped science, as Lysenko-ism infected public policy. Lysenko was the Soviet biologist who conveniently came up with the theory that learned traits could be inherited. Soviet authorities were only too happy to adopt this hoax in the service of pushing the notion that their people were a self-replicating superior breed. This foolishness set back Soviet science for decades.

Now some hacked and publicized emails from The Climate Research Unit in Great Britain have energized those who deny the existence of global warming. Out of thousands of emails, one quotes a scientist referring to a "trick" used to massage temperature statistics to "hide the decline" in temperatures. Limbaugh and Beck quickly cited the emails as proof that global warming itself was a trick. Sarah Palin concluded that President Obama should avoid Copenhagen until the emails were further investigated. Republican Congressman Darrell Issa denounced the Obama administration for using "flawed science created by a community of bullies to push through ideologically based policies."

So here's where we are: our Energy and EPA offices, the governments of nearly all the world's countries and the scientific community believe that heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions (carbon dioxide and methane) produced by human activity is the major contributor to a .4C degree increase in temperature since the 1970s and, if uninterrupted, will lead to a 4C degree increase by 2100, which will dramatically raise sea levels, drown millions, drastically limit rainfall in some areas and bring extreme weather in others.

On the other side are coal executives, conservative radio show hosts, Sarah Palin et al and a handful of skeptics saying more proof and debate is necessary before adopting public policies that could reduce jobs in America.

First, while some jobs will be lost in coal-producing states, many other "green" jobs will be produced in a shift to a low-carbon economy in solar, alternate energy, weatherization and other sectors.

But second, and more significantly, it's true that more exchange and debate sounds appealing, like when President Bush suggested that both evolution and creationism should be taught in classrooms. But it's one thing if two schools of thought should be taught in religion class, another if they should be taught in science class, since one school is science-based and the other is faith-based. And quite another if your house is burning down and two insurance companies are debating who should assume liability while fire trucks are kept waiting.

With the polar ice caps melting and some coastal cities starting to submerge -- and the science community concurring with near unanimity that human activity is the precipitating cause -- a few emails from some loose-lipped scientists kibutzing among themselves should not and will not throw a monkey wrench into the Copenhagen Summit. As the UN Panel on Climate Change announced at the start of the talks yesterday, "We've run out of time."

There's a fair debate over how much reduction President Obama should pledge when he represents the American position next week -- as low as 13% by 2020 or as much as 25% suggested by the UN Panel. But there's no satisfying opponents who fulfill the axiom that "to the jaundiced eye all looks yellow" -- modern-day Luddites who elevate politics and profits above science and who always demanded more and more scientific proof that smoking causes cancer and that man descended from apes. Now that they mention it, has anyone actually seen an ape grow into a man?

 
 
 
 
 
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Kaviraj
07:12 PM on 12/09/2009
To me, the whole debate boils down to this - peak oil.
The fact that oil is a limited resource makes for the need to develop other means of power generation.
If in the process scaremongering can be used so that extra taxes can be levied - so much the better for the government.
Global warming and rising sea-levels? How come the Dutch have not drowned yet, when "some islands" are making plans to evacuate? Holland lies for 50% BELOW sea level and the government has done nothing to rise the levees. And why are only some islands doing this and not others?
The fact that the tundras melt and drop between 10 and 20 metres makes for a huge reservoir in which the "rising sea" can be contained - with great ease, since the are is about 10 times the amount of melting ice.
Taking melting ice into consideration, why do we concentrate on half the evidence - the North Pole? It has been known for a long time already that when northern ice diminishes, the southern ice increases and vice versa.
While pollution is real and needs to be curbed, the scaremongering is way over the top.
0.4 degrees of rising temps and we should all panic? What a joke!
06:14 PM on 12/09/2009
I recall the infamous episode of the Cannuck Letter in 1974 where stationery from Senator Edmund Muskie's campaign was stolen and then used to forge a letter that was detrimental to Muskie's campaign. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the E-mails in question here were not genuine but were forgeries used to enable the attacks of the right wing punditry. They have a history. Ask Dan Rather.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
11:38 AM on 12/09/2009
Last week, the contrarian meme was that global warming is not taking place. This week, the meme seems to be that it is taking place but mankind is not the cause or that the science is not settled. Want syrup with those waffles?
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02:04 AM on 12/09/2009
I've posted this elsewhere, bu tit seems particularly appropriate here:

I've seen some Global Warning deniers posting on this web-site claim that science is the new religion.
In reality, it's the deniers who are demonstrating a quasi-religious mind-set: those who accept global warming as real do so because the vast majority of scientific evidence world-wide leads them to that conclusion; the deniers start off with a belief that Global Warming isn't real and basically latch on to anything which supports that belief.
The skeptics immediately pounced on the leaked emails, claiming that they proved (read: confirmed their belief) that Global Warming is a myth, whereas in reality, at the very worst the emails indicated that a handful of scientists in the UK may have falsified some data, which in no way disproves the finding of the thousands of other Climate Change scientists, world-wide.
01:18 PM on 12/09/2009
You're right that the emails don't prove that "global warming is a myth".

The reason the emails are so powerful is because they seem to confirm exactly the skeptics' argument, i.e. the aggressive claims by policitians and many scientists that the science is settled is a tactic used to avoid rigorous debate.

To simply say that "a handful of scientists falsified some data" begs the obvious question - Why did they falsify the data? By their own words they did it in order to fit the data into their existing theory. (They also admit to obstructing the sharing of data with others.)

Also, refering to Dr. Jones at the CRU and Michael Mann at Penn State as "some scientists" is disingenuous. We all know they're in the top echelon of climate scientists and are cited throughout the literature, especially in the IPCC reports.
11:06 PM on 12/08/2009
When the Romans ruled the world they would ask "Qui bono ?(Who benefits?)" To-day we say; "Follow the money." So who will benefit if no deal is reached? Well the oil companies will and the coal companies will if no change is made. On the other hand if efficiencies and solar and wind and a new grid is built then the United States will benefit since it will be able to develop and sell new technology and it won't keep siphoning off hundreds of billions to Saudi Arabia, the home of the terrorists who flew into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. and other middle eastern countries which are oil rich., It will mean tens of millions of new jobs updating homes so they will be energy efficient. It will mean the US willcontinue to lead. And if the US rejects rapid change China will benefit since it has already undertaken a deep commitment to building green power sources. They will then lead in the technology and we will no longer just buy blue jeans and stupid toys from China but the highest forms of technology. And they will still be buying US debt. Whether or not there is a man made climate change, we can only benefit by going green in a big way - new Smart grid, new forests, new efficiencies, less waste. Life will be healthier and so much cheaper. I mean do you really want to keep on subsidizing oil and coal.
09:47 PM on 12/08/2009
Near unanimous, my behind. Although CRU and the MSM have tried to silence all critics, they haven't. Since "peer reviewed" seems to be the end-all, here are more than 450 peer reviewed papers that DO NOT support AGW:

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.htm
10:20 PM on 12/08/2009
"Peer review" is something that doesn't get talked about nearly enough. Peer review does not validate a study's conclusions - it is an approval process to determine if a study is unique and thorough enough for publication. Peer review is where science begins, not where it ends.

Just like a completed application to Harvard is worth slightly less than a degree.
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worldlyhick
10:48 PM on 12/08/2009
I didn't see anything there.
08:44 PM on 12/08/2009
I understand the economically concerns when it comes to going "green" however something HAS to change. We have one environment and I think that we can all agree that it is slowly losing its health.
Although I applaud the countries' attempt to mandate their countries' carbon emissions perhaps if we all as "one" make as many little changes as possible in our daily lives, that may jump start the healing.
08:07 PM on 12/08/2009
Whether global warming predicitions are accurate or not, these emails speak for themselves. Calling them inconsequential is "denying" the obvious.
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
05:10 PM on 12/08/2009
Perfect analogy. The climate deniers wanna keep "debating" while they sideline the fire trucks that could do something constructive. Just like health care reform -- they wanna delay, delay, delay. Except in both cases the repercussions of this "strategy" involve death and destruction. There should be a law passed that makes all the naysayers and stallers, esp. their corporate backers, FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE for the damage they cause. Maybe then they'd actually stop standing in the way.
09:25 AM on 12/09/2009
yes lets rush to a decision devoid of any real debate....because that worked so well in the wars we are in right now.
05:09 PM on 12/08/2009
I'm an AGW skeptic, but I don't think I fall in the category of people you describe. I think Creationism should NOT be taught in schools, I'm pro-choice, and the federal government had no place to act on the Schiavo case.

I am skeptical because climate science is soft science. There is no "control Earth" that verifies what the Earth's temperature "should be" in the absence of anthropogenic CO2. And I don't think Earth's climate is simple enough to tease out a single forcing (especially if, as alarmists claim, CO2 is the most signifcant forcing). There is huge potential for the omitted variable problem.

The emails are only part of the problem - the comments embedded in the program code are equally damning. "Artificially adjust" appears in countless places. You mention the scientific method - observation ALWAYS trumps theory in the scientific method. When data doesn't support your theory, you adjust the theory - not the observed data.

A final thought: Do you really think rising sea levels are literally going to drown people? Are people going to stand in the exact same place for 90 years as water slowly trickles in? I would hope no IPCC scientist made that claim, but then again, who knows anymore?
05:44 PM on 12/08/2009
So I wonder, do you deny conclusively that making an atmosphere denser does nothing?
You consider the atmospheres of Mars, Earth and Venus and come back and tell me that The Greenhouse Effect does not exist.
06:05 PM on 12/08/2009
Not at all. The IPCC's estimation of global temperature's response to a change in CO2 concentrations is generally agreed upon:

∆T = F(C2) – F(C1), where F(c) = Ln(1+1.2c+0.005c2+0.0000014c3)

Acting alone, a doubling of atmospheric CO2 levels would produce about 1-1.2C of warming. I don't dispute this.

What I question are the feedback assumptions that produce catastrophe. In all long-term stable systems in nature, disturbances are diminished by negative feedbacks. Climate alarmist forecasts assume large positive feedbacks that amplify the disturbance, overwhelming any negative feedbacks within the system. To get to 4C you need to use a feedback factor of 75%, which I think is WAY too high.

In short, I don't dispute the effect. I dispute the enormous coefficient placed before that effect.
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Zonie
Right & Left are part of a whole. Divided we die.
07:05 PM on 12/08/2009
Right on, I am with you. Same here. Not all of us fall into two nice neat right and left little pegs. Some of us.....think for ourselves.
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01:57 AM on 12/09/2009
Your other posts do not support your statement.
04:49 PM on 12/08/2009
The whole debate really shows how badly educated many people are when it comes to basic science.

The Greenhouse Effect exists. It's the reason why all of us were not alive.

If it did not exist...that is to say that if our Atmospheric blanket did not insulate, we would never have to be too concerned...

It would be freezing and none of us would be alive.
04:44 PM on 12/08/2009
Mark,

What does Terry Schiavo have to do with this?
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
05:11 PM on 12/08/2009
The same stall tactics and use of non-science assertions of belief to trump science.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:12 PM on 12/08/2009
I imagine to highlight a similarly bizarre situation where a national government makes legislation concerning a single brain-dead person while having no clue about the case. Actions taken by the ignorant and simply stupid in direction conflict with knowledge- and evidence-based practice.
05:42 PM on 12/08/2009
There is a point in time when you are truely dead. You are not just "brain dead" (whatever that really means) but you

STOP BREATHING.

Ask any EMT, it's one of the first things that you check...

But it's just COMMON SENSE.
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EbonBear
opinionated hairy man
04:17 PM on 12/08/2009
The first question put to all deniers from now on must be "Why do you hate clean air and water?".

In the end, I suspect we are doomed. Between those determined to deny the facts because their lifestyle might need to change; the Rapture-crew who actively want extinction and the tide of modern Know-Nothingism that carries Palin along, I doubt anything will get done ever. There are islands which are even now making evacuation plans due to global warming but we in the developed world are always going to be more concerned with whether China or India is going to do something or how much it will cost or whether it needs more study or... One excuse after another until our chance passes us by.
03:15 PM on 12/08/2009
No reasonable person denies that climate change is a reality and that human activity is a major cause of greenhouse gas emission. The real disagreement, which is where it should be, is about the policy/tax response to it.

Those (few but loud) climate "deniers" are really saying they disagree with higher taxes and more regulations to deal with the problem, especially since China and India and other developing nations will be producing very large amounts of greenhouse gases over the next couple decades.

Also, when scientists start making policy recommendations, they do show their liberal bias. Just because these guys are well-educated doesn't mean they understand public policy and in fact most don't. Dems and Libs that want to control everyone's behavior use the real dangers of climate change as their justification for higher taxes and more regulations that will hurt the US economy. This doesn't mean we shouldn't consider those policy responses but others exist as well.
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EbonBear
opinionated hairy man
04:09 PM on 12/08/2009
"No reasonable person denies that climate change is a reality"

There's your first problem then: What to do about all the UNreasonable people.
04:12 PM on 12/08/2009
Agree with Lellie we are polluting way too much. "Global Warming"is now "Climate Change" ? 1974 National Science Board - last 20-30 yrs world temp fallen. Wash. decided - headed for "New Ice Age". "scientists" (who survive on Gov. grant $$$) jump aboard. Some kind of change is going on. Believe just mother nature but admin. now in power wants us to believe we are the cause & again "scientists" who survive in life with "grant" $$$ jump aboard. I do not believe the hacked emails to be any "red herring". They pretty much spell it out. We can use a trick to "hide the decline in earths temp since 1960. We can kill careers and reputations of those "scientists" not on board. We can get proper result only if we throw in a load of garbage. 1972 my fathers car ran on propane and natural gas - emiited only water vapor. Why are we using a food staple to produce alternative energy? Look at who we have voted for during the past 20 yrs, Say we are getting exactly what we deserve. Our politicians crave power over us and that is all. The top two we've had in office for these past 9 yrs could not hold jobs as WalMart greeters much less run this country. How is it the other planets in our solar system have shown increases in temp.... there is so much hot air coming out of the people on this planet we are destroying the
03:07 PM on 12/08/2009
I'm absolutely fascinated by this red herring that's been thrown (conveniently) out there, questioning the science behind the belief in global warming.

Whether it's true or not true, the fact remains that we're poisoning our water and poluting our air with our current methods of doing things and because of that, people are dying.

Deny or agree with global warming, these facts remain and it's these facts that we're being cleverly diverted from by the big polluters and poisoners with their smoke-and-mirrors tactics.
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lisakaz2
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05:14 PM on 12/08/2009
They've been gutting measures about clean water and air so this is an extension to the belief that companies should be free to pollute and maim. Guess they think the Erin Brokovich case was wrong since that group was sooo generous to buy people out (while killing them).
09:55 PM on 12/08/2009
Which clean air and clean water measures have been gutted?
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Wendy Johnson
08:51 AM on 12/09/2009
"...the fact remains that we're poisoning our water and poluting our air with our current methods of doing things and because of that, people are dying."

I agree. I happen to think the preponderance of evidence fully supports global climate change, but even laying that aside, there are a ton of good reasons for reducing our carbon footprint.

Fossil fuels pollute the land, the air and the water. Our supplies of them are limited. One way or the other, we're going to have to make some serious lifestyle changes in the US, and we're going to have to make them soon, or our quality of life is going to start going downhill fast.