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Physician, Heal Thyself. Before we jump gaily into the Bush Aministration waters, I think the media needs to have a Truth & Reconciliation process about its own compliticity with Bush propaganda.
It's easy to point fingers and identify perps that are down the road from us. But I believe the American media, some more, some less, owe Americans first: a thorough examination of what-it-knew-and-when-it-knew it in relationship to the lead-up and conduct of the Iraqi War. Secondly: an apology to the American people for the abuse of its power and neglect of truth telling when it could have veered us from this disaster.
Truth tell, media, starts at home.
Agreed that the media has a huge burden of blame. At the same time, they were not sworn officials. They did not violate any oath of office. They did not violate the constitution. They did not order war crimes. They did not condone and order torture. The media failed in its duty to seek our and expose the truth, but that does not mean that the criminals should go free.
Agreed knigthowl, but I think you would agree that if the media had stood firmly with the truth and against the lies, our elected government officials would have been reluctant to move against an informed American public;, i.e., we may have prevented their treasonous policies. That's the thing and I think Obama understands this: Our government officials get away with murder when the public stands in ingnorance. The more informed the public, the less the public will tolerate bad policy. Barack refers to it as bottom-up governance. Have we, the public, been narcotized for the last 8 years? To be sure. Is it too late? No, I don't think so.
Excellent! Now, can you find someone other than Elliot Spitzer to head up the panel and investigations? Perhaps we should urge Obama to seek a Vice President who can take on this role. Additionally, it's time to marshal legal opinion on the limits of a President's pardon authority. No other constitutional provision is unlimited, nor should be the President's pardon authority. For example, a President should not be entitled to pardon crimes in which he was a participant or co-conspirator. Similarly, pardons should be limited to specific acts and not generally for a specific time period (Ford's pardon of Nixon would be held unconstitutional under such a standard).
A nice sentiment but it's as likely to happen as a truth commission in Rome after the reign of Nero. America is on a course of self destruction that nothing can stop. The American public has a collective, unconscious, death wish.
The next era is not going to ask George Bush or Cheney permission before it dawns. The hallmark of most of these old farts is that they have successfully transfered their 1950's fear of socialism and anti environmentalism to the modern world. but they are like the pop singer who has plastic surgery year after year thinking they are going to stay young forever. It's a losing game. The consequences of climate change are going to change peoples minds as much as the last eight years of sickening corruption is changing the American public's mind, especially young people (except your kool aid slurping college republicans anxious to preserve there family bestowed priviliges). Ever notice how most of the people who use terms like tree hugger look like they have one foot in the grave? They don't care because they know they are not going to be around to face the music.
The Democrats will do NOTHING because they are no different than the Republicans - aside from rhetoric.
The saddest thing about the Bush "Administration" is the fact that whoever is the next President will still have to make a serious effort at cleaning up the messes made by Bush while trying to solve the huge problems never addressed by Bush. Maybe a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" is the right approach. And maybe a War Crimes Tribunal is a better one. Fact is, until the US deals with all of the bodies swept under the rug by Bush and his cabal, there is not the slightest chance of solving some of the more intractable problems lying out there. The approach taken by Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid (don't have the votes, let's move on) cannot continue in the next administration. There must be a full acounting of all the crimes and mendacity of Bush's government. Until that happens, we will be at each others' throats. We deserve better.
But then..........after all the complaints, accusations, bitchin' and groveling at him, the Prez just keeps going on like the Bunny Energizer, acting like a battleship having spitballs bouncing offa him. Incredible. The man is at total peace. Yzat? Dubya's only ever defense of himself is that "history will be (his) judge." None of the heavey hitters -- Cheny, Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld -- wilt. Yzat? Could it be that with all the verbal fireworks from the Left, all they have is just that........verbal. Just what is it that prevents responsible members of Congress from bringing solid legal charges against POTUS? It certainly is not a lack of nerve 'cause any politician would jump at the chance to dominate the spotlight if he/she had justifiable evidence. Hundreds of thousands, millions, of words have been written and/or spoken damning the Bush Administration, yet he's still there. Why is that?
A very good article, however, here's the problem. Americans don't like to admit they're wrong. The fools that voted for Bush don't want to believe they had anything to do with the criminals in the WH and the mess they've gotten us into. I'm not talking the 25% hard core nutzoids who would support him even if he started firing squads for ordinary Americans. I'm talking moderate Republcans. On some level they know it's not just about Bush, but them, their judgement, their concept of right and wrong and their willingness, despite all the facts, to accept Bush's fiction instead of fact. If it was just about Bush, he would have been tossed after 9/11. Before we are allowed to come to terms with the Bushies and perhaps put them on trial, these people will have to come to terms with themselves. I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.
This is an idea I have thought about for some time, as well.
A Truth and Reconciliation Commission can be especially important if Bush issues a large batch of pardons at the end of his term, and can be a lever for all those lower on the totem pole that he misses in his pardon-athon, if that indeed happens.
What's important is to create a powerful measure of historical scorn for this administration's practices, along with everything we can do to prevent future administrations from even being able to think about doing what the Bush administration has done.
As a side comment, this is also a strong argument for Obama over Clinton, as his relative lack of dirty laundry when contrasted with the Clinton years -- issues both real and perceived -- gives him much more standing to pull this off than a Clinton will ever have, and can dovetail naturally with his stated desire to change the political tone in Washington.
In terms of TRC, the election fraud of both 2000 and 2004 should be examined. If it can be determined that W didn't win either election according to law, then the grounds should be there for reversing the longest-lasting component of his presidency, i.e., his Supreme Court appointments. There would be no greater triumph for the American people than having Alito and Roberts removed from that bench that they are clearly unworthy of.
Tremendous idea - at least force a re-appointment vote... after Dems have a 60-40 majority, preferably.
There is obviously rampant criminality throughout the executive department, especially at the top, so there's no need for amnesties for confessions. A major flaw: Confessions would later be claimed as coercive and disclaimed as soon as it became convenient, so that a "corrected historical record" would obscure and whitewash the absolute treasons of 43&con. We don't need more lies as part of the official records; we have way too many right now.
Why do we treat our presidents as if they acquired sainthood when elected? They are just ordinary men, ordinary criminals in some cases. The least we can do is put them in jail.
The Country knows, and the World Knows that Bush is a lying criminal, but this America. He will go unpunished and get away with his crimes... as will all the criminals in the administration that lied to the World in order to fill their pockets with the profits of the so called "war."
We did not need Scott's book to relize this.
Dead US Troops = Halliburton Profit = Money in Dick Cheney's bloody criminal pockets ?
Who is going to stop it ? "Impeachement off the table" Pelosi ? She is to busy getting her face lifted.
The "War" will go on, US Troops will continue to die and be maimed, and the Bushies and Cheney's of the Word will continue to stuff their blood soaked pockets with the profits. Its that simple. Get over it.
we'll never get them in front of a jury or a judge....everyone will be pardoned (can Bush pardon himself?) and the big guys, at least, will go free. You said it yourself about Nixon: twenty-nine underlings went to jail. Nixon got to retire comfortably.
Bush can't pardon himself, but if he pardons everyone else then it makes it a moot point. If everyone else is pardoned and faces no threat of jail time, then there is no incentive to testify for a lesser sentence. By pardoning everyone, Bush will effectively ensure that no one will testify against him. I expect a huge number of pardons to be issued right before Bush exits the oval office. Remember how the RW'ers went ballistic over Clinton's last pardons, saying they were an abuse of office? Well when Bush pulls his stunt, they'll be singing a different tune. They'll say the President can pardon anyone he wants. In other words, it's ok if a repubilcan does it.
One requisite, before starting the Truth Commission, is insuring that Bush, Cheney, and the myriad aiders and abetters do not leave the country. Bush has already purchased a 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, one of the few countries that does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S.
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