7 Days in America: Is Clark Our Petraeus?

Posted April 13, 2008 | 04:20 PM (EST)



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Was Dave Petraeus really Bill Murray in Groundhog Day?

This past week saw General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker come back to Capitol Hill for many more hours of grilling and stalling -- for what's now irrefutably clear is that "stay the course" really means not the mission in Iraq so much as the course until January 20, 2009 when Bush can leave the baby of Iraq on the doorstep of his successor.

Military men understand what a "front" is. Last September and now again in April, Petraeus served as a front man in Congress for a president who has run out of credibility and is now running out of time to be vindicated in Iraq. But if history is written the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce, as Marx concluded, the sequel this past week was farcical. For it's now clear that "surge," which means a quick increase before a return to normalcy, is really an "escalation" since there's no intention of returning back to lower troop numbers. So any media who now keeps using the word "surge" are in effect an extension of the White House press office.

Our policy is also truly farcical since it's now obvious that this is a war in search of a rationale. Now that America has spent $600 billion (or up to $3 trillion projected forward) to topple, arrest and execute Saddam -- surely the most expensive apprehension in world history, by a lot -- two new justifications keep coming up in the hearings. Hence the 105 times Iran was mentioned and 83 times al Qaeda was in the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. Of course, these new enemies weren't actors in Iraq until our invasion created them. Yossarian would understand such circular reasoning.

While much has been thoughtfully written about their testimonies, I have two take-aways.

First, every time President Bush resorts to noble abstractions to camouflage his failed policies -- Liberty! Democracy! -- and every time Petraeus resorted to selective, bloodless charts with arrows always pointed in a happy-face direction, the true horror of this war is far more honestly depicted in two recent works of art.

Phil Donahue's new documentary, Body of War, shows the achingly painful impact on one soldier and his family when he comes home paralyzed -- and when, for example, his mother on camera has to help him urinate, now that his wife has left him. And George Packer's stunning off-Broadway play Betrayed dramatizes how America has exploited and then dumped local interpreters who are now targeted as traitors by various militias.

Second, as the Obama and Clinton campaigns inevitably continue their sniping and positioning, the hearings showed how similar, almost identical, the two now are on this great issue...certainly as contrasted with John McCain. Their questions were cut from the same cloth -- by what measures can we conclude that we've failed or conclude that we can exit? At the same time, McCain again showed himself to be like Bush, a force-first militarist who arrives at conclusions and then looks for "facts." Again, it was more farce than substance when his questions to Petraeus about al Qaeda elicited the undesired answer that its threat was diminishing, which didn't stop McCain from prattling on about what a huge threat it was.

So those campaign hotheads and bloggers who regard the rival Democratic candidate as either a waif or a liar should get a grip and appreciate the consequences of their sanctimony for the Fall contest.

Who better to addresses these topics on Air America's weekly 7 Days in America than Gen. Wesley Clark, a four star general and former NATO commander who won a war in Europe and is a major surrogate for the candidacy of Hillary Clinton? (Previously we had Obama surrogate Tom Daschle.)

As the excerpts below hint at and the audio shows, headliner Clark was as concise and convincing as anyone I've heard on both Iraq and the primary presidential contest. (Listen here.) While defending Petraeus as an honorable soldier doing his job in the chain of command, Clark was especially withering on why we should not expand the war to include Iran - and how there was no exit plan on Day One of this war and still none now on Day 2150.

The only realistic exit now is the exit of a Republican administration that cannot admit or correct its failures. That takes a new Democratic President in 2009 -- and a new Democratic Vice-President. Why not Clark?

For months I've thought that his experience, clarity, vision and conviction on Iraq would make him an ideal #2 on either Obama's or Clinton's ticket. Then I read this week in New York Magazine a fun piece by West Wing screenwriter Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. who imagines that the nomination process goes all the way to Denver with Obama prevailing but only when he deflates the Clinton forces by choosing their favorite general, Wes Clark, as his running mate.

Is Clark our Petraeus?

EXCERPTS TO APRIL 12th 7 DAYS IN AMERICA, W/ WES CLARK, HUFFINGTON, REAGAN & GREEN

Listen to the complete show here.

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: On why McCain is so befuddled about Iran and Sunnis. "I think he's under an enormous amount of stress. He's tired and he hasn't really focused on it." GREEN: "He hasn't focused on it? This is his entire campaign!" CLARK: "I know, but he's not like Hillary. She really does policy. She studies things, facts, arguments and analysis. They stick to her brain cells. John McCain is more of a round peg, round hole, square peg, square hole kind of a guy. He doesn't delve too deeply into things."

CLARK: On the developing Bush-McCain argument that the United States could be justified in attacking Iran because its IED's are killing Americans. "Iran is a fact of life. Long after Americans leave there will be Iranians there. What I've found is that when you bomb people they generally don't like it. And if you kill people their relatives hate you. We've already got problems with Iran, but Iran is the most pro-US, pro-western region country in the region."

CLARK: On what the Democratic 44th President says or does when right-wingers say he/she surrendered in Iraq on the brink of victory. "That's exactly what's going to happen. You have two choices if you are the Democratic President. If you don't start to withdraw pretty soon within 6 months you will be challenged and it will become, 'Hillary's War' and she has no exit strategy. We've heard this before. Isn't this the same thing that happened to the Balkans? And if you start to pull back forces and if there's any violence, and of course there's going to be violence, then you are going to be blamed for the violence. This is the reality. Harry Truman was blamed for losing China!"

CLARK: On the New York Magazine article that fantasized that Obama wins the nomination only when he choses Wesley Clark to be his Vice President. "I wanted to run myself in this election cycle and I couldn't. I couldn't connect the dots on how I was going to win for a lot of different reasons. I decided that if I couldn't run, my best public service was to try to help the American people choose the right candidate and the right President."

HUFFINGTON: "Iran is the country who has helped with the cease fire between the government and the Mahdi army. The problem we are having here is we are defending a government in Iraq that is very friendly with Iran."

RON REAGAN: "It is possible for even progressives like me to feel somewhat sorry for General Petraeus. This is a man who was following orders. This is a man who has had a terrible mess dumped in his lap and he's trying to complete a mission which I suspect he doesn't really believe in. But, how many times can we sit through this movie? The administration that took us into Iraq and the three remaining candidates do not intend to withdraw all our troops from Iraq."

HUFFINGTON: On answering critics of Obama that he could be turned into another Illinoisian, Adlai Stevenson, in a general election, an eloquent intellectual who's soft on defense. "I think it's an incredible paradox that the people who are considered strong on national defense are the people who choose to take us to disastrous wars and stay there at the tremendous cost of our men and women. Democrats have decided to deal with it by basically avoiding national security and focusing on the economy. I think this is just rubbish. Obama can prove unequivocally that he's going to keep America safer than John McCain would provided he says these things with conviction and boldness and continues to let McCain make these mistakes that he is making that will soon undermine his own reputation."

 

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He's no Petraeus.

McClellan or Burnsides maybe.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 04/15/2008

I don't understand why so many people on the left worship Wesley Clark as some kind of anti-war general. If you look back at the record he was cheer leading for the Iraq war as much as any neocon when it all went down.

After the fall of Baghdad he wrote "Liberation is at hand. Liberation, the powerful bomb that justifies painful sacrifices, erases lingering doubts and reinforces bold actions." He also wrote that George W. Bush and prime minister Tony Blair "should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt".

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/9/18/robert_fisk_on_wesley_clark_iraq

Obama shouldn't muddy his anti-war credentials by taking Clark as his VP. There are far better choices who have strong military and anti-Iraq credentials such as Jim Webb.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 04/15/2008

Hey, this is something: Randi Rhodes is back on the air! With NovaM, I guess it is. Amazing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/14/2008

One would hope that Clark is much more than Petraeus, a Bush Mafia bagman, or to paraphrase Adm. Fallon, a spineless suck-up.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/14/2008

At least this gets the VP debate where it should be. Obama must choose a soldier. And there are only three choices who bring the political chops to do the job: The Progressive Democrat choice is Senator JACK REED. The Moderate Democrat choice is General WES CLARK. And the Conservative Democrat choice is Senator JIM WEBB. A, B, or C. Pick one.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 04/14/2008

Gen. Clark is great.

But, since you're here, Mr. Green, what the heck have you done to Air America?? That's sure been sad to see.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/14/2008

I heard Clark on Bill Mahr's show say that women liked wearing the berka. . A man who takes that view is an idiot. Laura Bush said the women wear the berka with pride fortheir religeon and culture. She is also an idiot. Liberate those countries and see how fast they throw it off. I say this because the constitution we are trying to place in Iraq allows men to have three wives and to marry very young girls against their will. Hillary and Clark both think this is fine. Why not Clark? Oh Please!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 04/14/2008

"I heard Clark on Bill Mahr's show say that women liked wearing the berka."

Prove this asinine claim. There is no way in the universe that he said this.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/14/2008

Mark Green, why are all you New York Hillary supporters trying to float this malarkey of a Hillary surrogate for VP? All you traitors are backing Hillary. Now that her candidacy is dead, you want to shove her boy, two-time loser, Clark to Obama (whom you haven"t had the grace to endorse)? Clark lost in 2004 for a good reason. This election he backed the wrong candidate. Mark, there is a penalty for stupid choices and Clark has made stupid choices twice.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 04/14/2008

Gen. Anthony Zinni for Obama VP. Obama-Zinni even sounds unbelievably great.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 04/14/2008

Zinni doesnt have an ounce of progressiveness in his make-up. Just being skeptical about Iraq isnt enough to complement Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/14/2008

Clark as a VP candidate might help Obama or Clinton get elected but he would be wasted in the position. Better Clark or Zinni as Secretary of Defense. The VP role won't be what it currently is under Bush.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 04/14/2008

Reality check here: Neither of these fine men can be DOD as they have not been out of the military long enough.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/14/2008

Are we going to have to go over this again and again with you Clinton supporters Mark Green?

No to Wesley Clark because he's too virulently pro-Clinton, he made a terrible candidate once before and Jim Webb does twice for the ticket what he does.

Again, respectfully, Clinton supporters should have taken this up with Bill BEFORE he fired Wes Clark. That just doesn't look too good on a resume.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 04/14/2008

Hey, Mark, now that the Clinton candidacy is winding down, how about giving Sammy his daily gig back, eh? I know you wanted him out of the way during her campaign to avoid the sort of multimedia/netroots collaboration seen during the Lamont challenge to Lieberman, but Hillary's candidacy is truly over, now, so it's safe to ok to again start airing Seder, not just on Sundays.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 04/14/2008

I've always thought that Clark was set to be Hillary's VP, but he is a partisan of the Clintons, and they've been so dihonorable throughout this election, I don't see how Obama would want to link hiself to that machine once he's president.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 04/14/2008

If Obama is the nominee, Clark is out. He is a Clinton supporter!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 04/14/2008

Shouldn't a presidential candidate select a running mate based on his or her ability to take over the helm in case the executive is incapacitated on not on a single issue such as the war in Iraq?

In this presentation, Clark sounds more like a candidate for National Security Advisor. Whoever the nominee is, Obama or Clinton, the person chosen to be a running mate needs to be another Al Gore, someone who can address the many needs of governing this country.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 04/14/2008

"In this presentation, Clark sounds more like a candidate for National Security Advisor."

and there are so many other people who would be better at that job too.
The only way we're going to be presented with someone as lame as Clark for VP is if Mrs Clinton 'wins' the nom and if that happens we had best adjust ourselves to the notion of a McCain presidency.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 04/14/2008

Just read Lawrence O'Donnell's article hyping Clark. I will repeat what is up with you pundits desiring a militaristic leader now for the White House? Isn't haven't one warmongering military leader, Iraqi John, enough running for office. Military leaders are not omnipotent endowed with generations of wisdom, they are just followers who obey orders, moral and immoral. As I said earlier our Generals lead from the rear while our current President also leads from the rear, the part he sits on.

I wonder what it is like being a Republican, war anyone?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 04/13/2008

Green should not be allowed to post until he repents by making a public apology to Randi Rhodes. All of his post should have a disclaimer at the bottom stating he has a conflict of interest given his brothers New York business interest.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/13/2008




I think the sniping between Hillary and Barack's campaigns has hit upon, inadvertently, the very core of the problem in Iraq.

People in Iraq, embittered by the failure of their centralized government to recognize their economic, and spiritual interests have turned to clerics, and militias. Barack said it, its happened in Iraq.

And for anyone to say suicide bombers do so out of a sense of optimism, not anger, and zeal for their god are as deluded as Hillary. Iraq is filled with human beings, just like America, who are interested in safety for their children, jobs, and the right to worship as they please. They harbor resentment of foreigners on their soil, as it threatens them. ( We're in Iraq for oil remember )

Barack's screed applies to Iraq, not just small town America, or ghettos in this country. They gravitate to gun, and god, and anger.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/13/2008

is this "firsthand" knowledge?? just curoous since i've been in contact with one shia iraqi since 1992 and other shia and sunnis since 1995-2005. So0mehow what i read in my eamails-and learned from one-on-one discussions in montreal in 2005 dont jive with your personal "knowledge"--granted my samp[l size is "small"--but what is your personal sample size!??? and how long have you been in regular contact with these iraqis???

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/14/2008

"Sample Size"?

What are you, a pollster?

It's just plain common sense that when you're down and they're kicking you, and the only legal way to change things is to vote, and they lie and cheat you out of that method, that you become bitter, disillusioned, and possibly, in some cases, violent.

It's called frustration. I have it better than a lot of rural, small town, or "neighborhood" America but I'm just as sick and tired of not being heard, despite being in and for the majority of voters in this country that want the tax breaks for the rich and the endless war to end.

And grendl is right, this applies to all societies, all people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 04/14/2008




Oh, your friends trust a centralized government, with Maliki at the reigns do they?

Your shia and Sunni friends stand hand and hand singing in harmony do they? And they don't have weaponry, or hatred for other sects?

You're a lying troll. And illiterate at that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 04/14/2008
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