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Finally: An Honest Evangelical Weighs In on Romney and the Mormon Question

Posted: 06/05/11 04:01 PM ET

Years ago I once interviewed comedian Jay Leno and he told me something I've never forgotten and think of quite often: when he wants to make fun of a fat man, he never makes fun of him for being fat; rather, he makes fun of his tie.

I think of Leno's maxim whenever I hear conservative Christian voters criticizing Mitt Romney for his alleged failings like Romneycare, flip-flopping, lack of personality etc. because like Leno, what I think they're really doing is describing his "tie" instead of saying what they truly mean to say: he's a Mormon.

As this obfuscation indicates however, it's a prejudice that nobody wants to cop to because there seems to be a general feeling that it's an icky one and so as a result, mainstream journalists continue to be befuddled over Romney's lack of success and try to blame it on the various criticisms of his "tie," only it's not about his "tie," it's about his religion.

But a journalist named Warren Cole Smith has ended the nonsense and has decided to speak the truth on behalf his fellow Evangelical Christians by stating the obvious: he and many of his fellow true believers will not vote for Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon.

I first became aware of just how deep and serious this phenomenon was when my friend Adam Christing returned from producing a documentary on the founder of the LDS church, Joseph Smith called A Mormon President. Christing, a film producer, author and comedian told me he was shocked at the deep resentment that is felt to this day for the LDS church on the part of many of the people he had interviewed in the South and Midwest. I decided to investigate for myself and asked two moderate Republican Evangelical Christian friends what they would do if the choice was between Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton: without hesitation they said they'd vote for Clinton because of Romney's Mormon faith.

The L.A. Times' Tim Rutten and others have weighed in with attacks on Smith, but this is a mistake because far from shouting down the likes of Smith, this objection needs to be debated openly and honestly if for no other reason than to help the poor Romney kids from watching their inheritance being squandered on a fool's errand. After all, if Evangelical Christians who form the base of the GOP are not going to vote for a Mormon under any circumstances, even willing to turn to the other party's candidate, Mormons like Romney deserve to know the truth.

I would venture to say that the feeling is so strong that millions of Christians would easily prefer a Jewish candidate, say Eric Cantor, over a Mormon one like Romney because though they may wish that Cantor would accept Jesus Christ as his personal savior, they would never label Judaism as a cult, as they would the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Smith may not be a politician, but his contribution to our political culture fits Michael Kinsley's definition of a gaffe: when a politician tells the truth. He has let the cat out of the bag by admitting that he and millions of churchgoing Christians will not vote for Mitt Romney and if he somehow gets through a GOP primary, they may very well stay home come election day or vote for the incumbent president who, despite his policies which may be diametrically opposed to what they believe in, can look them in the eyes and recount with clarity his testimony of the day he asked Jesus Christ to become his Lord and Savior.

 
 
 

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Years ago I once interviewed comedian Jay Leno and he told me something I've never forgotten and think of quite often: when he wants to make fun of a fat man, he never makes fun of him for being fat; ...
Years ago I once interviewed comedian Jay Leno and he told me something I've never forgotten and think of quite often: when he wants to make fun of a fat man, he never makes fun of him for being fat; ...
 
 
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
05:23 PM on 06/18/2011
God Created the World free from every necessity or constraint. But our God is in the Heavens above, and in the Earth; He hath made all things whatsoever he pleased. But the things established are distinct from Him who has established them, and what have been made from Him who has made them. For He is Himself uncreated, both without beginning and end, and lacking nothing. He is Himself sufficient for Himself; and still further, He grants to all others this very thing, existence; but the things which have been made by Him have received a beginning; But whatever things had a beginning, and are liable to dissolution, and are subject to and stand in need of Him who made them, must necessarily in all respects have a different term applied to them.
11:42 PM on 06/18/2011
Thank you, Plato.
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flyonfriday
Ignorance and apathy will kill us
04:11 PM on 06/23/2011
Do you have a point to make here apart from showing us your facility with rote recitation of religious platitudes?
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
05:34 PM on 06/23/2011
Yes, I am spreading the Love, Grace, and Salvation of God.
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Allosaur2010
Rubio: Castro's Sleeper Agent!
09:44 AM on 06/17/2011
You can't win in a democracy if you are too selective.

This is why the democracies would have inevitably won in WWII. The Germans chased out anyone with an unacceptable religion, with the result that people like Einstein went to the US and contributed to things like the Manhattan Project.

Thankfully, the theocrats in the GOP, will similarly keep shooting themselves in the foot because when you get right down to it, the majority of Americans don't want a right wing theocracy. We like to party too much.
02:35 PM on 06/14/2011
An honest evangelical? There's a silly contradiction in terms! These are people who believe that an old bearded white man in the sky made the world a few thousand years ago, and that by eating his flesh and drinking his blood they will live forever. Now, what were these crazy things that Mormons believe in that the evangelical Jesus-eaters take offense to? Ho hum!
05:51 AM on 06/11/2011
I can't wait for these hypocritical religious people to elect someone like Hillary Clinton. It would serve them right for their hate of other people, Christian or not. They are the same ones who wouldn't elect John McCain, and then constantly cry and whine and moan about Barack Obama. Ignorant.
02:39 PM on 06/09/2011
I think this writer's main point is something like: "Ideally there should be no religious prejudice in making a decision on who should fill an elected office. But if there is (prejudice) then it should be out in the open." IF that is his main point, then I agree with him but would go further. A religious prejudice is ultimately an emotional, unreasoning one which has no place in a secular, reality based decision-making process. I subscribe to the church of George Carlin which holds that there is only one commandment: "keep thy religion to thyself."
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flyonfriday
Ignorance and apathy will kill us
04:14 PM on 06/23/2011
"A religious prejudice is ultimately an emotional, unreasonin­g ..."

A useful sentence stem... one could replace the word "prejudice" with "person" "philosophy" "theory" etc. I'm putting this one in my little book of conversation starters.
12:48 PM on 06/09/2011
Religion should have nothing to do with running the country.
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James Lewman
01:52 PM on 06/08/2011
DUH It's not about Obamas Tie either
05:03 AM on 06/09/2011
It is about Obama's tie only when he is wearing a brown one.
08:56 AM on 06/08/2011
I'm not a christian and I wouldn't vote for a mormon either. I also have no shame in saying that if asked. I don't believe or trust any mormon to set aside their beliefs for the good of the country. The LDS was heavily involved with Prop 8 in California which is very telling of where they stand.
05:53 AM on 06/11/2011
What about the Mormons that were against it (Carol Lynn Pearson, Steve Young to name a few bigger names)? Wouldn't you vote for a person, rather than a title (D or R or Mormon or Jew or Black or White or Gay ...)?
11:10 PM on 06/12/2011
Congratulations on being openly intolerant - and ignorant to boot! While many Mormons favored Prop 8, because it was endorsed by many prominent Mormon leaders, there were plenty of Mormons who believed that doing so violated Church policy going back to 1835. In section 134 of the Church's Doctrine and Covenants (a publication viewed as scripture), it plainly states:

"We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."
02:58 AM on 06/19/2011
Which "religious society" do you figure was denied its "spiritual privileges"?
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patman77
08:49 AM on 06/08/2011
I believe same was said of JFK and his religion of choice.
03:19 PM on 06/07/2011
I've never hidden the fact that I won't vote for him because he's Mormon. No one I know hides it. I think one issue is that polling people hardly ever talk to anyone outside of giant cities. I've never known a Christian to hold back when talking about Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses. For the record, I would vote for Hillary because I voted for her in the primary in 2008 and think she would've been a much better president than Obama.
04:21 PM on 06/08/2011
I wonder how an organization as large and well known for it's good will to all men could be held up as you, to be anything but good? What is it that marks a Latter Day Saints as being non christian? Could it possibly be that we Worship first and primarily, God The Eternal Father who is by his own deffinition , The Father of Jesus Christ who came to earth and set an example of loving service during his breif life? Before Paul died he could see a break up coming among the then Christians . By two hundred AD people were killing each other to re-make Christ into what They thought he should be. When a fourteen year old boy went into the woods to pray for an answer as to which church he should join, God chose that time to set the record straight. Two personaged appeared before him, one pointed to the other and said, "This is my beloved Son, hear him!" This is the sole issue "Christians" have against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It didn't matter what God or Christ said, it didn't fit their playbook so it couldn't be right! Mormons or Latter Day Saints are content to allow "Christians" to paint Christ as they see him. While we attempt to set people right we in no way dennigate their church or their beliefs. We vote for them even though they don't see things as we do. .
03:04 AM on 06/17/2011
Excellent post, Rex. I wonder if the thankfully dwindling band of our fellow Christian (doctrinally, though not always attitudinally) "anti-cult" (ie anyone they don't like, especially "Mormons") evangelicals, secure in the prejudices of some of their pastors, feel driven.

Driven by spiritual and even financial insecurity (after all anti-"cult"ism pays well and thrives on ignorance) to tell the world, and particularly their own now numerically stagnating flock, to take a dim view of/dislike/and even hate the honesty of a remarkable boy prophet. A boy from a deeply Christian family who had no other desire but that of knowing the truth. A boy who, due to the grace of God, (who calls powerless, pure, teachable youths over the proud, established and learned at key new-dispensation moments in His guidance of mankind) became the only person in history to see God the Eternal Father and His Son, side by side.

A boy who knew Who he had seen and heard, and could not deny it, notwithstanding the immediate relief from persecution a denial would bring. An undeviatingly pure agenda, unlike the varied agendas of the ministers who vilified him in his day and in many cases continue to do so. just like the "men of God" in Christ's day and, in some cases, today. By their fruits ye shall know them. The Church will increasingly cover the earth, while successive waves of enemies will fade from the footnotes of history.
05:39 AM on 06/17/2011
I only hope the more worldly and ambitious of its remarkable members will always remember and honour the three members of the Godhead, and then go on to take their places in the centre stages of politics, academia, business etc.

So far, however, I’m not so sure about most of our leading politicians. Power and the promise of power has a tendency to corrupt. Christians of all denominations know we are to be in the world but not of the world. Huntsman…Romney….dubious at best, notwithstanding impressive attributes. Give me integrity aka Ron Paul (no wonder he’s “unelectable” – follow the money) over a compromising Mormon/anyone else every time!
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Allosaur2010
Rubio: Castro's Sleeper Agent!
09:48 AM on 06/17/2011
I know evangelicals who don't think Catholics (the original Christians) are Christian.

This whole thing makes me thank God the founding fathers put the First Amendment into the Constitution. Without separation of church and state this country wouldn't have lasted past 1900.
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Jessica Suarez
Run for the hills
02:33 PM on 06/07/2011
DUH!!!!
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bigmacha
Truth through research.
01:22 PM on 06/07/2011
Why do we have to be continually assaulted with "accept Jesus Christ as our lord and savior" dogma. What does that have to do with managing the world's sole super power? Translating politics into these 2,000 year old mythologies and banalities in a nuclear/terrorism age is not only primitive, but dangerous to our survival. I for one would be happy to support and vote for someone who disavowed this tripe - and all other superstitions - and came out solidly to support reason, common sense and the scientific method rather then blathering on about "being saved" and the afterlife - trust me, they'll get there soon enough.
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Aikaterina
A Greek-American living in California
12:23 PM on 06/07/2011
An individual's religious faith (or lack thereof) has no correlation with his/her ability to lead-govern a nation. Most Americans are hard-working, fair-minded, practical and usually tend to vote on bread & butter issues that affect their pockets. They may be distracted by petty accusations or criticisms of pundits, media or other politicians, but in the end, most will look at the agendas, platforms, and proposals to deal with the dire issues confronting us: High (and climbing) unemployment; Soaring gas-food-medical costs, Deficit-Debt; etc.

The candidate (or party) that convinces voters their solutions, vision of the future of this country are best, will ultimately win. Many registered Democrats and Republicans have voted across party lines. There are numerous Independents who don't cling to party loyalty any more than they would elect someone because of religious affiliation (or lack of any).

The hard-core, far-right Christian Evangelicals believe they can turn this country into a theocracy, and are basing their agendas-policies solely in line with their religious views, which the majority of Americans distrust and rejct. The American public is pragmatic, seeks viable solutions to issues that need to be dealt with, and are becoming frustrated with these side-shows and games, based on religious-political ideologs: re-defining rape; anti-abortion agendas; seeking the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel so we can hasten the Rapture, etc.
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Allosaur2010
Rubio: Castro's Sleeper Agent!
09:49 AM on 06/17/2011
Exactly. F&F.
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Redlion62
Wondering why so many believe so much nonsense
01:21 AM on 06/07/2011
The biggest problem is religion itself. Religion is not real. Religion is for those who cannot handle reality. All religions ask of their followers to accept fantasy; something that cannot be proven. When the religious right took over our educational system 40 years ago is when America started slipping. A minority of the American people have let unscrupulous politicians hand over the wealth of America to corporations who have no faith in anything but profit. Most of these major corporations have no fealty to America. Most of them are run by supposed religious zealots who don't believe; they just use the people who do. The rights attempt to show the founding fathers of America were Christian and wanted religion involved in government are not only deluded but, self destroying. The founding fathers knew history; something most people nowadays know very little about. The founding fathers knew mixing religion and politics doesn't work. That's why it was a unanimous decision to put No Law Shall Be Based On Religion in the Constitution. The right tries to make up lies to skirt this. Small wonder. Their lives based on the fantasy of religion is a lie. John Lennon had it right. How much simpler a place the world would be without religion. A world without religion; that's heaven.
04:06 AM on 06/07/2011
Where does the constitution say that no law shall be based on religion?
The first amendment says that government shall not establish a state religion, and can't prohibit people the freedom to worship as they want, or believe as they want. And that includes how I vote.
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Redlion62
Wondering why so many believe so much nonsense
08:52 AM on 06/07/2011
I read "Congress shall base no law on the establishment of religion" as no law shall be based on religion. The Supreme Court used to rule this way too until it was packed with corrupt right wingers.
01:51 PM on 06/10/2011
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, RELIGION AND MORALITY ARE INDISPENSABLE SUPPORTS ... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion ... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle."
-- President George Washington, from his Farewell Address, as cited in _Basic American Documents_, pp.108-9. Emphasis mine.

What was that you were saying about the "fathers of America"?
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flyonfriday
Ignorance and apathy will kill us
04:26 PM on 06/23/2011
A valid reference.

Of course, Washington didn't write the Declaration of Independence (that was mostly Thomas Jefferson), or the Constitution (that was mostly James Madison), or the Bill of Rights (Jefferson, again) or any of the other Ammendments.

Perhaps Washington was the greatest of the Founding Fathers (historians almost universally agree that this was the concensus among his contemporaries), but his personal philosophies and ideas regarding our rights and the reach of the government are largely absent from the country's founding documents.
12:34 AM on 06/07/2011
Bingo.