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The Big Showdown: Citizen Kane vs. The Godfather

Posted: 07/26/2012 4:12 pm

On August 2, the British magazine Sight & Sound will reveal the results of its survey naming the all-time greatest 100 films. Every 10 years since 1952, leading film critics around the world are polled for this list, which is perhaps the premier highbrow list of top films. While the Top 10 continually changes, one thing has long remained unchanged: Citizen Kane is the greatest film ever.

It's now a cliché. Whenever critics or filmmakers are polled, Citizen Kane (1941) is right there at the head of the list -- a position it has held at least since Sight and Sound's 1962 poll. Kane would appear to be the apex of the art form, like the Mona Lisa and Shakespeare's collected works.

Or perhaps not. Over the years, The Godfather has gradually risen in eminence -- and as it was considered a masterpiece from the moment it hit the theaters in 1972, this is no mean achievement. The Godfather: Part II (1974), probably the best movie sequel (and easily the best prequel) ever made, followed so smoothly that the two movies are often treated as one film. The 2002 Sight and Sound list did exactly that, ranking them fourth place. (In 1992, they were judged as two films, coming sixth and ninth place respectively.)

You could argue that such polls are meaningless hype, but strangely enough, devoted film buffs might disagree. It's good to celebrate greatness, they would suggest. "But you can't compare these films!" you might reply. "They're completely different."

Actually, Citizen Kane and The Godfather saga have much in common. Both are great American tragedies, about idealistic young men who, in their quest to retain power, lose all that they hold dear, especially their principles. Both showcased gifted ensembles. Both were made by hotshot young directors, whose cinematic styles were grandiose and unsubtle enough for everyone to know how brilliant they were. Orson Welles, the auteur (and lead actor) of Kane, once perfectly described his own career: "I started at the top and worked down." Most of the time, the career of Godfather director Francis Ford Coppola has followed the same direction.

In other ways, of course, the two films are very different. Despite its portrayal of affluence, The Godfather was filmed with violent realism. Kane looks like a dream or a fantasy. It has dated (yes, even masterpieces can look dated after 71 years), but in its day it was as technically innovative as Star Wars or Toy Story. Despite its Oscar-winning script, it is almost certainly this technical brilliance that has clinched its place as "the greatest film ever made" so often that you would think it owned the title for eternity.

But then, it wasn't always "the greatest." The first Sight and Sound poll, in 1952, gave that prize to The Bicycle Thieves (1948). Kane didn't even make the top 10. It crept into a top 10 list six years later, coming eighth in a Brussels Film Exhibition poll that was led by Battleship Potemkin (1925).

The Godfather is doing some creeping of its own. It has constantly locked horns with The Shawshank Redemption as the all-time top film, according to users of the Internet Movie Database. In 2003, a year after the last Sight & Sound list, TV Guide readers chose The Godfather: Part II as the greatest film. But the best indication of its critical heights lies not in popular votes, but in film magazines, where it is fashionable for hip, young, Gen-X film critics to devise lists of almost everything. Premiere magazine, listing the best movie characters, named Marlon Brando's Vito Corleone, the mumbling patriarch of The Godfather, as number one. (Charles Foster Kane came fifth.) Premiere's list of the greatest movie scenes was headed by the chilling moment from Part II in which Vito's son Michael (Al Pacino, the "hero" of the Godfather movies) gives his brother Fredo (John Cazale) the kiss of death. ("I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart!")

Britain's Empire magazine judged The Godfather to have "the greatest ensemble cast" in movie history -- and as if to prove it, their list of the 100 greatest actors ever included three actors from the Godfather movies in the top five. It seems that the Golden Age of Hollywood has fallen in grace compared to the new wave of the 1970s.

Yes, Gen-X critics appear to be smitten by these glossy gangster films. They were never as technically innovative as Citizen Kane (although, like Kane, they did change the art of filmmaking), but as a powerful piece of cinema, Hollywood has possibly never bettered the Godfather saga. Michael Corleone's story is every bit as grand and intriguing as Charles Foster Kane's.

When watching Citizen Kane today, it is difficult to appreciate the power it once had. Its techniques have been copied so much that we take it for granted. It was the same with the previous champion, Battleship Potemkin -- one of the drawbacks of being groundbreaking. The Godfather saga, however, has lost nothing in 30 years. Its rising fame might show that we are now rating excellence ahead of innovation. We are not celebrating the films that did it first, but the films that did it best. About time, too!

Citizen Kane was a favorite with the baby boomers, who ruled film criticism like they ruled most aspects of pop culture. They grew up knowing Citizen Kane, which was made just before they were born. For Gen-X filmmakers and critics (like this writer), The Godfather was similarly well timed. Most of us don't remember a time when there wasn't a Godfather saga. It has always been there: the model cinematic masterwork.

Then again, most of us remember the third Godfather film, made 18 years later for no reason that anyone can work out. This film was not bad so much as disappointing, as Coppola seemed to have lost the brilliance that made two masterpieces in a row. However, it is worth seeing for the look of loneliness and despair of Michael's (or Pacino's) face just before he dies, as he looks back on his wasted life. It is a heartbreaking scene, worth playing to any of those critics who believe that the saga glorified crime. It also reminds us of another parallel between the Corleone story and Kane's story. Michael Corleone did not even need to say "Rosebud" as he collapsed. Like Kane, he dies knowing that he sold his soul for power and success, and it's too late to get it back.

In these days when almost every popular film is part of a saga, and TV sagas like Mad Men and The Sopranos (at the risk of sounding obvious, the closest thing we have to a modern-day Godfather), are winning almost as much acclaim as the greatest films, it seems fitting that the Godfather saga is overtaking Citizen Kane in some critics' "all-time greatest" lists. Eventually, the saga might be superseded by the next generation's film of choice. It is still difficult to imagine what that film will be, or if it has been made yet. But for now, The Godfather, Parts I and II, are being groomed to share the crown -- and that's not such a bad thing. Whether or not they are the best films ever, they are certainly pretty good.

 
 
 

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Mark Juddery
03:50 AM on 08/02/2012
Well, the list has been released. Kane has indeed been knocked into second position - but not by The Godfather (which didn't even make the top 10). The winner? I won't say, in case you like surprises (but it's all over the internet by now, so that's moot point). All I can say is... hoo boy.

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/entertainment/movies/top-10-films-of-all-time-20120802-23gy5.html?selectedImage=0

The Godfather was equal seventh on the filmmakers' list, however (along with the film that topped the critics list). In that same filmmakers' list, Kane was relegated to #3. So it has gone from being the undisputed champion to a silver and bronze winner - the Michael Phelps of movies (this week, at least).
MarkInTexas
Moderate is the new liberal.
01:02 PM on 07/27/2012
I like them both, they are very very good. As for best American film, I think The Godfather has a slight edge. Face it, Kane sags a bit at one point. Godfather's yarn is a bit better, slightly, but still a bit better.

As for "best" I've seen overall I'd vote for The Seven Samurai over both Kane and Godfather.

But you can't go wrong with any of them.
12:44 PM on 07/27/2012
So what exactly is the point? Do you expect either The Godfather or Part II to overtake Citizen Kane in the upcoming Sight and Sound poll? That will not happen. It seems as though you are coming from an uninformed, middlebrow, popular culture oriented place. Since The Godfather movies are no longer considered as the same movie by Sight and Sound, neither will place as high as fourth this time. They will be easily passed by the likes of The Rules of the Game, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Tokyo Story, Vertigo, and, of course, Citizen Kane, not to mention several possible others.

The Godfather and its sequel are indeed great, but I think too many people who have not seen a large amount of both older and foreign movies automatically assume they are among the best movies ever made. They may not even be among the 100 best. There are just so masterpieces out there which will still be seen as great works of art and influence many decades from now that I think it is sad for people to simply default an American movie from the 70s as the best thing ever without really knowing what they are saying (or not saying).
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Mark Juddery
08:35 AM on 07/29/2012
You might be right, DarkKnight. (Yeesh. You call yourself TheDarkKnightHasRisen and say that *I* must come from a "middlebrow, popular culture oriented place"?!) But then again, we won't know until the results are in. Not sure whether Sight & Sound will differentiate between the two Godfather movies (did they say anything about that? I wasn't aware), but movies seem to rise and fall on that list. Even The Bicycle Thieves fell out of favor, and is just recently back in style.

Still, you can scoff at the choices of people who choose The Godfather as the "best", but in the past (as already explained), the prestigious critics polled by Sight & Sound have placed The Godfather higher than most of the movies you name. I just hope it's placed higher than Vertigo...
09:23 AM on 07/27/2012
I still say The Godfather is the Greatest movie of all-time. Any 3 hour movie that leaves you wanting more and keeps your attention the WHOLE 3 hours is an amazing thing. The History Channel just did a 2 hour special on the The Godfather Trilogy, (the first hour is all about the original) and you forget how great a cast it was as many them were at the beginning of their careers. Plus the Godfather has some of the greatest quotes that still resonate today, "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse!"
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Mark Juddery
08:47 AM on 07/29/2012
Both Citizen Kane and the first two Godfather films "discovered" great casts. Perhaps because it offended the wrong people, most of the Kane cast never became "name" stars, apart from Welles, Joseph Cotten and (to a lesser extent) Agnes Moorehead. Looking at the Godfather ensemble, however, you see five Oscar winners (six if you count baby Sofia Coppola... but no, that doesn't really count), plus many other actors fine actors.
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Film Shark
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06:31 AM on 07/27/2012
I'd classify 'The Godfather' and 'Citizen Kane' as epic films BUT don't overlook the suspense thriller. I like films that keep you on the edge of your seat. You know the kind, Cinephiles... the ones that are so engrossing, you lose track of time in a darkened movie theatre. Hitchcock films are in a class all by themselves. And for that reason, instead of choosing just one as the 'best'... I like to appreciate an auteur for their entire body of work.
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Mark Juddery
08:56 AM on 07/29/2012
The problem with "best" lists (as well as film awards) is that they compare films with very little in common - "chalk and cheese," you might say. I've already named in a previous blog what I'd count as my "favorite".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-juddery/singin-in-the-rain-anniversary_b_1633095.html
04:01 AM on 07/27/2012
I'll have to go with a Chicago film critic's view of Greatest film on this one. He said Citzen Kane was the best film ever made, but Casablanca was the one he liked most. Well, I understand that, because I'd say Kane was better, but I like the Godfather more. Yay!
11:45 PM on 07/26/2012
Citizen Kane, FTW. Cinema would be nothing what it is today without the technical creativity of that movie. I saw it as a teen for the first time right as I was learning about film, and as someone who naively up until that point looked at older movies as primitive, it blew my mind from a technical perspective...it established virtually everything you could do to display a scene and transition a story on film. I think of it as the lynch pin for what continue to be modern techniques 70 years later and for that alone I think it should be considered the greatest. Godfather wasn't nearly as visionary so much as just a great movie.
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11:28 PM on 07/26/2012
I urge anyone interested in Why Kane has been so highly thought of to watch "RKO 281."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120801/

It's a fine film produced by Ridley Scott about the making and aftermath of Citizen Kane.

Kane does not exist in a vacuum and it's back story, the real reason for "Rosebud" for example, is totally compelling.
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Mark Juddery
08:41 AM on 07/29/2012
Agreed about RKO 281. An excellent TV film. The reason for "Rosebud" (as told by Welles) is a great story. Sadly, I'm not sure I can believe it. Nonetheless, I hope it continues to be told!
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03:23 PM on 07/29/2012
Hollywood is a very small town that practically invented Gossip! 
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littlebrowngirl
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11:10 PM on 07/26/2012
Great article. I adore film and admit that both Citizen Kane and the Godfather are on my short list of favorite films.

Both are masterpieces in their own right but I have to give the title to Citizen Kane. Kane had and still has a dizzying creativity that was dazzling then and is still striking now. Kane shows the artistry in film making in a way that many films can never achieve today. I think one big testament to the film is that the cinematic vision is so fully realized that you would not even need words or sound to understand the story.

Although the godfather is a feast for the eyes, I think it's mastery is made complete by the acting.

Both masterpieces but Kane wins hands down.
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kinogod
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10:17 PM on 07/26/2012
Tie. With a nod to GF because of part 2 and a nod to CK because of GF pt 3.
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Teacher Trish
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09:01 PM on 07/26/2012
Both are great movies. But Lawrence of Arabia is my favorite. The long patient shot of Omar Sharif travelling straight at the camera from afar out of a breathtakingly stark and beautiful desert was transcendent.
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03:59 AM on 07/27/2012
It's not as appreciated these days because it, like 2001, demands a gigantic screen.

Home video cannot convey LOA.
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Bletcherstonerson
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08:31 PM on 07/26/2012
I agree with the comment that generation x loves glossy gangster films, but I completely disagree with the survey Sight and Sound did. Every true film fan knows that "The Beast Of Yucca Flats" is the greatest film ever made, it is the quintessential celluloid depiction of an ever changing world and the bonds of desire that break down the will of humanity to its' inevitable destruction. It is the "To Kill A Mockingbird" of the martini swilling 50's. Seriously, nice article, and I like your points, but out of the two choices for films, I would pick neither. The 7 Samurai (Kurosawa) To Kill A Mockingbird, Patch of Blue, The Good.the Bad, and the Ugly (yes i am serious) and anything by the Marx Brothers or Chaplin need to take a higher tier in film-making than the top two generics we are always spoon fed.
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04:01 AM on 07/27/2012
MST3K Beast Of Yucca Flats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRhGW53eoxY

I had no idea MST3K was on youtube!
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Bletcherstonerson
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01:04 PM on 07/27/2012
So awesome..Thanks! I really miss MST3K, I looked forward to it every Saturday morning to aid in my Friday night recovery. Tor Johnson's acting style paved the way for such thesbians as Stallone and Chuck Norris, and of course Schwartzenegger. An underated talent in Tinsel town, quite an intellect as well.
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FirstGame72
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
06:31 PM on 07/26/2012
The fact that "Citizen Kane" and "The Godfather" are still considered the top two works in film history amongst the ctitics means above all else that we need a whole knew crop of film critics.
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11:24 PM on 07/26/2012
Alright now you have to post at least your top 5!
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FirstGame72
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
08:04 AM on 07/27/2012
I don't know about my top 5 but I would replace "Kane" with Bergman's "The Seventh Seal" (both b/w, both visually stunning, "kane" gets the slight edge in pure advancement of the art in a technical way but "seal" wins overall because it has a compelling narrative where "kane" is slow, dull and most of all void of any investment in it's characters or stakes).
I would replace "The Godfather" with Scorsese's "Goodfellas" (obviously both deal with the same themes and world view but "'fellas" picks up the creaky old film who's story crawls along and shoots ahead with light speed and dazzling technique).
I don't really have a greatest film of all time because that seems impossible since there are hundreds of films that are absolutely fantastic works of art and that I love but if I had to pick one it would be Kubrick's "2001."