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Mark Kleiman

Mark Kleiman

Posted: June 2, 2008 02:00 PM

Why Won't Journalists Check with Experts?


I'm glad the NYT public editor called out the NYT op-ed editor on the Luttwak "Obama is a Muslim apostate" nonsense. Not only was the piece a transparent exercise in religious bigotry, it was wrong. And there's no excuse for the Times' refusal to run a rebuttal by people who actually know something about Shari'a.

But there's a deeper pathology here, one that extends well beyond the opinion pages: the stubborn refusal of journalists to submit their product to expert vetting before it runs.

Clark Hoyt, the public editor, gets exactly the right quote from the op-ed editor:

David Shipley, the editor of the Op-Ed page, said Luttwak's article was vetted by editors who consulted the Koran, associated text, newspaper articles and authoritative histories of Islam. No scholars of Islam were consulted because "we do not customarily call experts to invite them to weigh in on the work of our contributors," he said.

The notion of a bunch of editors at the Times, none of whom can read Arabic, "consulting the Koran" is either funny or sad, according to your temperament. But the horrible truth is that they were just acting according according to the rules of their guild. In this context, Shipley's "customarily" is exactly the right word: it is not the custom among journalists to check with experts to make sure that what they publish isn't appallingly wrong.

According to the conventions of "objective" journalism, the journalist is the impartial judge among competing opinions, and experts are merely purveyors of some of those competing opinions, with no special standing. For every expert opinion saying X, an "objective" reporter will find another expert opinion saying not-X; that's why outfits such as the Competitive Enterprise Institute exist. Sometimes a bold reporter will decide to privilege an expert opinion above a non-expert opinion, usually to do a "gotcha" on some hapless politician; that's what happened to Hillary Clinton on the "gas tax holiday." But the authority always rests with the journalist, never with the expert. Therefore the journalist's work must not be subjected to any sort of outside scrutiny.

It wouldn't be hard, or expensive, or time-consuming, for newspapers to get academics to look over news and opinion pieces for howlers. They don't do it because it challenges the idea that any journalist is competent to report, and any editor to "vet," any story, regardless of its technical complexity.

This is not the same sort of post-modernism as that practiced by the Bush Administration, but it expresses the same post-modernist contempt for the idea that someone, somewhere actually knows something in a way not merely the result of a contest among social forces.

In his headline, Clark Hoyt alludes to my favorite quotation from Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." But it's slightly scary how controversial that idea remains in practice.

 
 
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12:57 PM on 06/03/2008
great post.
07:17 AM on 06/03/2008
Their is no actual news anymore. It is the Corporate media. They are the propaganda wing of big corporations.
They wonder why readership,viewer ship is down. It is because people are aware that they have nothing to offer but propaganda.
If you get your information from the New York Times,Washington Post, Wall Street Journal or any of the TV news shows you will be misinformed about most topics.
They don't hire journalists,they hire propagandists.
It is a joke for Time,"News"week magazine and the others I mention above, to consider themselves a news source when you have people like Rove,Judith Miller, Tom Friedman, Kristol,Brooks,Krauthhammer,etc writing for you.
Anyone who reads these for information is seriously uninformed.
11:58 AM on 06/03/2008
When the news organizations started their major cutbacks, who were the first to go? fact-checkers. There was a time when even opinion pieces were actually checked for accuracy. What Shipler is talking about with his "customarily" refers to recent history, certainly not when his paper was known as the "paper of record."

Unfortunately, politicians and editors have worked in seeming lockstep over the past 15 to 20 years to discount the need for veracity. While the left wing decries the corporate media and the right wing moral relativism, neither seem to get that what Moynihan said undermines whatever ideology you are pushing.

Ironically, the only place where there seems to be at least an effort to tap the experts who truly know the facts of a situation and their context is online, where wikipedia and some other vertical services actually are designed to illicit the ephemeral 'truths" of this world.
09:51 PM on 06/02/2008
Experts stop the spin. After them there will be nothing but the truth. No more for talking heads to speculate about.
Spin keeps media spinning. Truth is the end to what we call news this days..
Sad, but true.
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09:18 PM on 06/02/2008
Right wing Corporate Media knows it all.

They say, it is the job of everyone else to believe.

Just like the GOP, they say, it is the job of everyone else to believe.

Just like Corporations, the management says, it is the job of everyone else to do.
08:32 PM on 06/02/2008
Dear Mark.

Another insightful essay/post. Agape.
07:19 PM on 06/02/2008
I agree with checking stories. But I also have major issue with the media and the disconnect with mainstream America. Contrary to popular media belief, New York City is not the center of thinking for the U.S.. I am getting tired of the media acting as though any people outside the city of New York are somehow retarded yokels.

If something happens in Chicago, for example, that is normal for Chicago, the story may be picked up in New York and completely either misinterpreted or blown out of proportion or twisted into some grotesque fairy tale of a story. People in Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver, Dallas...you get the idea, don't really care what news pundits in NYC care. I wish that could be understood.

The same measure can also be used for other media centers, such as D.C., Atlanta, or L.A..
Understand - heartland America does not care what they think.
07:01 PM on 06/02/2008
Given the kind of people the MSM classifies as "experts" consulting them wouldn't make much difference.
06:20 PM on 06/02/2008
You guys are flat wrong about the muslim apostate crap. I subscribe to the view that all religionists are slly in believing stone age myths such as Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, or the medieval myths of mohamed. That said to those who say just reading a book does not make you an expert, blah blah blah and forgetting the tradition blah blah blah. Are your scriptures specification of your religion or not? If it is not a complete specification then your claim that Dog - oops sorry my dyslexia getting better of me - has revealed every thing there is to reveal in the scripture is flat out lie then. To say that one needs to rely on tradition is a stupid claim as the tradition varies from place to place and time to time.

So now what does the set of fairy tales of islam say about who is a muslim? one who is born to muslim parent - father is the imperative parent. Or one who has converted to islam under whatever circumstances. Given that Mr. Obama was muslim at one point - immaterial whether he was one voluntarily or not. That he has declared that he found jesus, he is an apostate according to the book of islamic fairy tales. Do I consider him an apostate? No I consider him as a silly man in this context, otherwise a smart and charismatic man.
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06:11 PM on 06/02/2008
If a "journalist" writes an opinion piece whose sole function is to slam a presidential candidate, then an editor has the responsibility to make sure it is in some way related to reality. Ask the experts!! Just as journalists should have also checked all the propaganda that the administration introduced about Saddam's weapons capabiliites. Few reporters checked with experts in the field who could have shot down the administration claims.
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05:59 PM on 06/02/2008
I think the New York Times should challenge Luttwak to write an actual news article instead of hiding behind an op-ed piece, so that he would have to actually do some research and allocate sources to back up his claims Only then would he figure out that his article attributed to fact doesn't support his heinous assertions.

We need more journalists like Hoyt to continue calling out hacks like Luttwak .
05:48 PM on 06/02/2008
I can't take the NYT seriously anymore. It used to be a great paper but not anymore. Don't forget their brilliant reporting prior to the Iraq war and the woman responsible for that was promoted.

But Clark Hoyt is excellent and he is doing a really good job addressing the paper on behalf of the public.
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05:26 PM on 06/02/2008
Because they aren't the kind of journalists we used to have-the ones who found and developed a story. These people are cue card readers and nothing else.

Just Cue Card Readers.

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05:17 PM on 06/02/2008
Because they are not journalists... they are people with opinions.
04:48 PM on 06/02/2008
Maybe if people would start 'calling them on articles' that are not true OR suing them for libel maybe they would check their facts before they submit them for publication.
04:46 PM on 06/02/2008
One hopes for a full broadside below the waterline!