Cheney Kept File Marked 'Detainees'
Dick Cheney wants a few reports released.
The former Vice President, a man so secretive that while serving as Vice President he had his home removed from Google Earth, who repeatedly blocked the release of any documents from the National Archive while he was in office under the dubious claim that he existed in some netherworld outside of all branches of government, has asked the National Archive to release two secret CIA reports; the request from the former Vice President has been reported by a Washington insider blog called Who Runs Gov.
In one of his frequent appearances on Fox News, Cheney said he would be asking for the release because these reports prove that the 'harsh interrogation methods' approved under his administration resulted in the gathering of useful intelligence information. As Cheney put it, "There are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity."
The reports requests are from a file labeled 'Detainees' that Vice President Dick Cheney kept in his office.
Since no other information is currently forthcoming, this new information leads to a variety of questions regarding the contents of the file. How thick is it? How detailed is it? Does the file include an account of every one of the 183 waterboarding sessions conducted in one month on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
This request for two reports raises one more question: If torture worked so successfully, why not release the entire file instead of just two reports? There must be lots more to see in Dick Cheney's file labeled 'Detainees.'
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Let us all hope that he will soon have his name included in that file.
Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, tonight told Rachel Maddow that Cheney is a "frightened" man... he both employs fear and suffers from it, and Wilkerson speculates that Cheney is suffering from it now as he desperately struggles to construct a defense for himself.
Odds are, before they can get to him, he'll find his own way out.
I think, despite what Obama says, the country needs to make an example of at least one senior member of the Bush administration over the torture issue. There would be little support for prosecuting Rice or Powell, they are seen as moderating influences in the Bush administration. Rumsfeld has been gone for awhile. It would be difficult to make the case against Bush (not because he is not involved in all this) but because he was the CinC. Cheney's arogance makes him the perfect candidate and while he may have been an influential VP, the VP is the least significant of all the constitutional or cabinet officers.
Cheney actually said waterboarding is not torture because the Navy SEALS go through waterboarding as part of their training to learn to cope with the tactic, and since the US government does not torture its own people, waterboarding therefore cannot be torture.
The basis of Cheney's argument rests on his assertion that the subject of the waterboarding believes that they will or will not be ultimately harmed or actually drowned. How many trainees in SERE thought they would actually be drowned?
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God help is.
The radical right certainly is'nt.
The more he talks, the more we may be able to glean from his incredibly evil part of the past administration. However, in the greater scheme of things - our country for example, he needs to go away. He is a huge embarrassment.
I wonder if the pages he's requesting are pages that he made whoever wrote the report revise. Remember when he kept going back to the CIA telling them to give him "better" intelligence when they kept telling him there were no WMD in Iraq. Maybe these are revised pages for that report because he only had the original report at home. I wonder just how many documents they destroyed other than the missing emails? I hope we find out in an investigation.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/24/cheney-cherry-picks-intelligence-again/
"One thing is immediately clear from this request: Cheney is cherry-picking the documents that will prove his case (I know. You're shocked.)
Cheney doesn't request, after all, the roughly 6 pages of the CIA IG Report which directly addresses the efficacy of torture in collecting intelligence, which I discuss at length here. He probably doesn't want that document because some of its conclusions--such as that "it is difficult to determine conclusively whether interrogations have provided information critical to interdicting specific imminent attacks"--really don't help his case. By not FOIAing this document, though, Cheney makes it clear that he is just trying to get two documents that do prove his case, while leaving the counterarguments buried as still-classified documents. Just like he did, you'll recall, with the intelligence that disproved the aluminum tubes and uranium acquisition claims he used to drag us into the Iraq War."
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they will see through this weak attempt, of course that is probably unrealistic of me to do so.
There is another question I have. Did he illegally take that file to his Virginia home and is that how he knows exactly which pages he wants released as he is NOT asking for all pages to be released? From the report on KO in which a document of his request was gotten by a reporter and shown on television. he only asked for a certain group of pages. Nobody's memory good enoiugh to know which pages to ask for, so we can assume maybe those were iin the boxes he hurt his back carrying in right before the inauguration so he had to be there in a wheelchair.
Maybe Chris Matthews could get answers to these interesting questions!
Well of course torture works. The fact that we have Osama bin Laden in custody and ready to answer for his crimes while Al-Qaeda is running scared and unable to carry out terrorist attacts proves that tortureworks. . . . Oh, wait . . . maybe not.
He must have copies at home, dik listed two dates and the specific pages for those dates.
Yes, and that means he carried out classified information which others have gotten charged for doing. I am not sure he legally can have copies and I think maybe a search warrant of his home is long overdue. Even Presidents can't take classified information from governmental agencies and reports with them for their libraries, can they? Just because he thinks he is above the law doesn't make it so.
Obama was asked about this. He said he is looking forward .....
The worst fears of this frightened man are becoming realized.
Caught like a rat in a trap.
They can create files and documents on demand.
Torture is repeated because you don't hear what you want and what did Cheney, the prime architect of torture,want to hear? It wasn't intelligence on future attacks. Months had passed and al Qaida wasn't too stupid to adapt. It wasn't to scare al qaida. They'd demonstrated a willingness to die for their cause and reap their divine rewards. We weren't torturing for knowledge or plans or to break their spirit.
Cheney and company were torturing because they wanted to prove something about themselves, not al qaida! The world knew the USA had the biggest and best military, and that we would use it. What the world did NOT know was the Bush -Cheney administration.
After the 08/06/01 intelligence was ignored, on 9/11 the world learned this: Cheney had Bush run on AF1, then Cheney hid in his "undisclosed location". When Cheney emerged talking tough later that day he was photographed wearing a different pair of pants than he'd worn earlier. Later, against the VP's advise, Bush returned to Washington where he had belonged all along.
By then, NOTHING, no matter what was said, who was blamed or for what reasons, or how much anyone was tortured, NOTHING, would erase the world's knowledge that Cheney was pissed pants afraid on 9/11!
Perhaps, if he hadn't taken 5 deferments he would've known that everyone knows fear and that its how you act when you know fear that's important. I think Bush knew that day, But Cheney didn't!
colin powell's chief of staff called cheney the most scaried person he knows. He says that fear runs the man's life. Everything Cheney does is out of the fact that he is scared of one thing or another.
I feel this is the true Cheney. He is simply a terrified coward at heart. He overreacts to being or feeling threatened and puts all his energy in getting rid of his fears. He is a truly pathetic individual
Good point. Without his money and position he would be a no man. Come to think of it, He is one anyway. Thank God he has gone from Washington, but make no mistake he is not far away plotting and grabbing. A truly terrible man.
I seem to recall a couple of fires that were in his offices, not a lot of news on that, but I am just wondering if those were set on purpose or what, seemed strange at the time.Anyone else recall this?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/221207_b_cheney.htm
Did Cheney keep that file in his man-sized Mosler safe in his office? Did it have his personal stamp - his own security designation, "Treated As: Top Secret/SCI" (special compartmented intelligence)?
Vice President for Torture
Wednesday, October 26, 2005; Page A18
VICE PRESIDENT Cheney is aggressively pursuing an initiative that may be unprecedented for an elected official of the executive branch: He is proposing that Congress legally authorize human rights abuses by Americans.
Dick Cheney, in his lust to vindicate himself, is about to incriminate himself. Those files would put him at the center of the probe on 'torture' and how much he knew about the methods used.
It is so funny to see how a devious individual will throw the net to catch himself...
My thoughts also. Thank you, Mr. Cheney, for providing the path to what you knew and when you knew it.
watch how they all start throwing each-other under the bus when it really hits the fan.
i predicted this a long time ago because these sort of people lack morality and honor and have no empathy in there body. therefor they will out each-other to save there worthless skins. Im going to make popcorn!
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