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Passing the Torch... Who's Going to Run With It?

Posted: 08/01/11 12:01 AM ET

It's hard to believe now, but it wasn't that long ago in this country when, if you stood in a hospital hallway and looked through the glass window of the nursery, you could point to all the babies wrapped in pink and know exactly what they'd be doing in 20 years.

The babies swaddled in blue? Who knew? They had so many choices and adventures in front of them. Scientist? Salesman? Soldier? But for the girl babies, the choices were prescribed: wife, mother, maybe a teacher. And the expectations for girls were low. I still remember struggling with math when I was in grade school and being told by a nun, "Don't worry, you won't need it.''

You're reading this on the new Women's Page official launch day on Huffington Post, so it seems like a good time to take stock of how far women have come in this world. From my vantage point, I can't think of a more exciting time to be a woman: We've finally reached our era of great expectations.

Believe me, it's been a long road. In 1966, when I was convincing TV executives to produce my show That Girl, about a single girl living on her own and pursuing a career, they asked me "would anyone watch a show like that?" The men at the network were afraid America wasn't ready for a girl "living outside of a family unit." These were the days when most women felt they had two choices if they wanted higher education: you could become a teacher or a dental hygienist. (Yes, even me -- in case you're wondering, my degree is in education. But you should still floss.)

If you wanted money -- say, to start a business or buy a house -- you either had to do it through your husband, or you had to pick a state to live in where banks loaned to women. If you wanted a job, you'd look at the "Want Ads for Women."

Sex discrimination was perfectly legal. Women were paid less because they weren't men. End of story. (As we know, women still are getting just 77 cents to a man's dollar but at least we have a claim.) And phrases like "glass ceiling,'' "the mommy track'' and "paternity leave'' weren't even in our vocabulary.

Here are other phrases you didn't hear because they didn't exist: "sexual harassment,'' "reproductive freedom '' and "Rape Crisis Center''.

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Sometimes, when I look back at the work women did -- women like Gloria Steinem, Shirley Chisholm, Betty Friedan -- I think of all of us as pioneers, hacking a trail through the wild. When I helped to start the Ms. Foundation for Women in 1973, we were doing something new: giving seed money to help women kick-start organizations to help other women. The funding came from Ms. Magazine and the royalties from Free to Be... You and Me. These days, with funding from multiple sources, the foundation gives out $4 million in annual grants. Think of all the trails that blazes!

Look at a nursery full of babies now and who knows what will happen to that infant girl? She could grow up to be an astronaut or doctor. Maybe she'll start a company and create jobs. Or maybe she'll be a lawyer and become a Supreme Court justice. When Sandra Day O'Connor became the first woman ever to sit on the Supreme Court in 1981, it changed the lives and expectations of women around the country. And she knew what a big job was ahead of her -- that if she failed, it would not just reflect on her, but on all women.

And 10 years later, when Ruth Bader Ginsburg joined the court, much was written about how they would get along -- not just because they were two women (the myth being that women did not know how to share power), but two women with opposing views. O'Connor answered the speculation with her signature straight talk, "It's important to be the first, but it's even more important not to be the last."

If there's one thing we trailblazers figured out, it's that you need to lift up many women, not just one woman. For women there's safety in numbers. If you have only one woman at the table, she's a pest. Two women? That's a team. But three? Now that's a coalition. Look at our Supreme Court: three women justices. Little girls are now growing up knowing they can sit on the highest court in the land, take a corner office at a company, or an Oval one in Washington. And they don't have to give up being a wife and mother if that's what they want as well.

I often think about my own mother, who gave up her singing career (and her radio show) when she married my dad. That was the expectation in her day. Later in life, she told her daughters that as much as she loved being a mom, she wished she hadn't walked away from her singing. It's always haunted me that my mother gave up her whole life to be a good wife and mother when, really, we could have gotten by with half.

So now, after all the marches and the consciousness-raising and the law changing, it's up to the next generation to protect the hard-won rights of women everywhere. These rights have to be defended and protected with vigilance, or they'll be chipped away. It's no different than our democracy. We must be ever-vigilant for both.

A lot of women cleared a lot of rough brush in those wilds to get us to a place of entitlement today. With hope in our hearts, we pass it on to the next generation with these words: Use it. Enjoy it. And grow it for the generation after you.

UPDATE:

I was thrilled and inspired by the hundreds of wonderful responses to this post, but none more so than the email written to me by my friend Gloria Steinem who, in her wise and uniquely Gloria way wrote:


"Thank you for reminding us how very far we've come -- and inspiring us to keep going. As for who will take our places, I see thousands, maybe millions who are doing just that. But I think "passing the torch" was a guy thing. In our women's version, no one gives up her torch, we use it to light others. Think of Fannie Lou Hamer singing, "This Little Light of Mine." More torches mean more light!"

Thanks, Gloria -- I love not having to give up my torch!

 

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Stephenie Foster
04:36 PM on 08/25/2011
Abigail Collazo - from www.fem2pt0.com and I wrote a piece about how young women answer Marlo Thomas' questions in this blog post and about how they view the future of feminism. We did a tweet chat, and this piece describes some of what we learned!
It's at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephenie-foster/feminism-future_b_930785.html
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walkinthedogdude
If you can't be on-time, be early
06:55 AM on 08/13/2011
You were in the nursery Marlo. How could you not include nursing as one of the few opportunities women had?
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Dadfirst
Reasonable comments in an unreasonable world
12:45 AM on 08/11/2011
Very well written Marlo. I had my doubts when I saw the title, but you did well!
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Anti-Panoptic
Conscious Grad Student
02:40 PM on 08/10/2011
Great Article!
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see-ellen2001
10:41 AM on 08/09/2011
Truly wonderful, Ms Thomas. I am so grateful for those woman who laid a path for 51 year old me. Made me stand up and say that a sexist "joke" was not funny, that I and those other women were definitely not "girls", that I could say the F word and be proud. I hope young woman do not forget that rights are not graciously given and that they today have the opportunities because of those women along the spectrum: the prominent Feminists at the forefront, right over to the mother giving her daughter the toy rocket ship instead of the doll. BTW, I loved That Girl. I remember it and the Mary Tyler Moore Show distinctly as showing what a great life (bumps and all) a single woman could have.
06:36 PM on 08/07/2011
I don't agree. Woman have come along way, but we still have miles and miles to go. Don't get lulled into thinking we've made it, because it's still "a man's world". We need to keep up the good work and that means working way overtime!
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01:18 AM on 08/10/2011
Keep feeding Marlo Thomas with opportunities to make money so that she will continue telling you the pretty stories, if they are true or lies.
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see-ellen2001
06:30 PM on 08/10/2011
It's not a "pretty story" . The pretty story was what was told to many woman of my mothers generation: go to university to get your MRS, have sex, have a family and all will be well with your world. Not necessarily.
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undertheinfluence
POW in my own home country
05:21 PM on 08/07/2011
My Dearest Marlo,

It's so good to see more of you on HP. I am a staunch believer in the great things women are capable of, in some areas greater things than a man. I feel blessed to have had many good teachers in my life, especially the women, who, truly, made me a better man that I would possibly otherwise be without them.

America is blessed beyond what I can express to have women, like you, and Arianne as leaders among us. Being a wife, mother, and a teacher, are among God's greatest gifts to mankind. I for one thank Him.

If it wasn't for the fact that I love being a man, and if I were a woman instead, I'd want to be a woman just like you. You're a priceless treasure.

Thank You for being My Girl,
03:53 PM on 08/07/2011
Women have the power to,change our future generations.I raised my sons to respect and treat women as equals .And raised my daughter to demand equal treatment.Please young moms no "You're the man of the house"ideas in your boys.
02:54 PM on 08/07/2011
“Run where?” Many young women possess courage, creativity, and knowledge; they are have developed resilience and a positive self image despite the mass media, and negotiated identity formation in a multi-media platform. They know that the torch is theirs and want to take it from us. The problem is that they are unsure about where to go.

I work closely with young women. One day, when I mentioned to a young woman with whom I was meeting that I had to leave a little early to take my child to the doctor, she quickly said, “Nothing personal or anything, but I am not going to work when I have kids.” I stopped myself from getting defensive. I knew that she was watching me, seeing how I was managing, and observing how I was doing. Pretending that my choice was a “no brainer” would have been dishonest. So, I shared that it can be challenging to have a career and children, but it was the right decision for me. She had more questions as part of her personal journey, so we agreed to talk again. I was glad to help in this small way.

We are fortunate to have young women who will carry the torch for us. We need to spend time with them, listening to their voices and helping them on their journeys with the hope that their choices will lead to a greater openness and equity in our society and the rest of the world.
09:10 PM on 08/07/2011
You should have set her straight. Their are very few men who can afford to support a women and for the next generation their will be fewer than ever. With men only getting 40% of the degrees (and dropping) it might make a lot more sense for her to find a husband to stay home with the kids while she goes to work. Young women already earn more, so it's time for young women recognize they are probably going to be the bread winner.
10:50 AM on 08/08/2011
Once again, it is about having the conversation and not "setting her straight." She needs to ask her questions and gain insight along with knowledge, so she can confidently (and with her eyes wide open) make decisions for herself. As a recent college applicant, she is well aware that young women outnumber young men in higher education and the impact that change will have on the workforce in the decades to come. My role is to listen and respond as one of many women and men in her life who are supporting her. I have to consider that she may not be fully aware of her sexual identity and the more traditional gender-laden decisions may replaced by thoughtful choices made with a partner about providing for a family if they choose to have children. Like many of the young women I know, she needs to have conversations with those who are knowledgeable, caring, and honest about their life experiences. Only then, will she be able to figure out where to run with the torch.
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LemurTech
03:55 PM on 08/08/2011
Thoughtful choice, thoughtful reply.
01:46 PM on 08/07/2011
Since I was there at the time of the feminist movement of the 60s, I do not entirely agree with the writer's statement that women then only had a choice between becoming a teacher or dental hygienist. Most education and work opportunities started opening up for women during WW II from need for workers to replace the soldiers. Afterwards, it was a matter of privilege and opportunity, rather than strict gender, that women could seek a professional niche. If you could afford an education, you could get it if you could get in to college.
What is more worrisome now is the erosion of women's rights, so heartily obtained in those days, regarding reproduction and family life. And I am also concerned about women's understanding of their rights, their history and their future, along with the capacity and willingness to defend them, as citizens of the nation and the world.
If it is well understood and applied, the work of the early feminists would not have to be repeated at each generation, and we could eventually forget those silly gender battles and enjoy our civic equality.
08:33 PM on 08/06/2011
In 1965 I applied for a job with a bank. As a young mother, I was asked if I was taking birth control pills because they didn't want to train me and then have me get pregnant again. In 1987 I was hired by another bank for a much higher level position. My boss told me he loved to hire women. Why? We work harder because we have something to prove. Oh, and he felt we were more trustworthy. As the years passed I found more and more males came to accept women as valued colleagues. Yes, we still have a long way to go, and really, will there ever be a complete absence of discrimination for any variety of reasons? Our job is to pass along what we have gained, what we have learned, and keep the effort alive.
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
03:26 PM on 08/06/2011
"The funding came from Ms. Magazine"

Which is actually to say: The funding came from the CIA, who set up Gloria Steinem (an employee of the CIA who had a long term affair with Henry Kissenger) as editor in chief, and hired several assistant editors from other magazines to assist, since Gloria had no managerial experience to run a magazine.

Steinem herself admitted this years later when she was outed by a female reporter.

Ever wonder why the CIA would fund feminism?
01:39 AM on 08/07/2011
Why don't you tell us?
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
03:07 AM on 08/07/2011
I don't know, but find it disconcerting.

Don't you?
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gayleg
07:22 AM on 08/07/2011
No. In fact its pretty nonsensical. Did the CIA fund all the other women in the movement too? How about the gay rights movement- was the CIA involved?
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Sara Janmaat
01:02 PM on 08/04/2011
I think, reading this article, that although we do carry our own torches, many of them are being extinguished before the light can be shared. Maybe I'm just too much of a pessimist, but almost every article I've seen in this section has been just like all the others. With one or two comments thrown in about being feminists. I don't really think this site can better the still on-going struggle for equality that women in general face. It can't just be a local thing, it needs to be global. So you in your offices all sit there and tell yourselves how far we've all come since the days of women like Gloria, Betty and Shirley and you pat yourself on the back.

But remember this - there are still women being forced into marriages, still women being treated like second class citizens, still women who are used, abused, thrown aside and kept down-trodden. So until we have true equality, the battle isn't anywhere near over. In many ways, and for many women, it hasn't even STARTED yet.
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Jeffin90019
Your religion is your lifestyle choice. Not mine.
07:41 PM on 08/03/2011
I work for a global corporation. In this office, the majority of the leaders are women. They have their cliques, pets, mommy talk, and an enormous amount of back-stabbing and treachery. They are the most ruthless, mirthless people I've ever worked with.

One of these women announced at a staff meeting that she bought sperm and had herself inseminated. (I cannot imagine any scenario where a male leader would share such personal information.) Then when she was successful in her efforts, she announced that she couldn't wait to have this baby and get back to her life. Three weeks after giving birth, she dropped her precious load at daycare and went back to 12-hour days. My heart breaks for this child being raised by strangers.
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gayleg
07:24 AM on 08/07/2011
Yeah, your story is petty and rings false.

Maybe you need to take a look at yourself and figure out why you dislike women so much.
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09:37 AM on 08/07/2011
Let them reap what they sow.
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greenlass
11:25 AM on 08/03/2011
If folks don't think we've slid backwards in this post-modern era, they might want to take stock of the advertising for cleaning products, food prep, etc on tv. It's Mom and (often) boy children and dad's standing by doing nothing, while she cleans up after them. One ad even has boys complaining about mom's inadequacy for not getting strong enough trash bags. Who is sitting in the big conference rooms and creative meetings, coming up with these ads?

To my mind, the biggest offender is the corporate media machine that has co-opted and exploited nearly ever genuine movement (as best it can) to profit. It has effectively neutered people. It has pushed a self-serving agenda which infantilizes and dishonors men and women. The extent to which this country has become a consumer society is appalling and completely unexpected.

I often look beyond our shores to see and be inspired by the younger generation of women.
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Sara Janmaat
01:06 PM on 08/04/2011
I agree, up until I saw your comment about being inspired by the younger generation. I look at the younger generations and I ask myself what on earth are they all doing? Women in their late teens, early twenties? They're all about the boyfriends, the make-up, the latest fashion. I just wish they'd wake up and pay attention. All the work our generation and the ones before us have done, I sometimes feel like it's going to be overlooked. It scares me when I think the younger generations just don't seem to really care, or even notice. Of course they will eventually, when male-run companies try to reduce their wages again. We'll fight alongside them then if that time ever comes, but how I wish they were standing beside us now.
08:17 AM on 08/07/2011
Women are 40% of the mangers and 57% of the new hires out of college. They also earn 60% of the degrees. What makes you think they are in a inferior position when more of them are landing professional roles requiring education than the men. These women don't need to go out and fight old fights because the older generation of women are too stubborn to accept the progress that has been made. They don't need to spend their lives trying to live up to feminist expectations. They are free to be who they want to be and that is what they are doing. You should be happy for them. Yes they can be about make up and boyfriends, since when does a women have to give those things up? It seems your hostile towards women being feminine and liking the opposite sex.

We need to stop the gender wars. Men and women don't need to resent one another.