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Love Grind (Part 1)

Posted: 01/12/12 05:25 PM ET

Social dating apps are changing the way we find sex partners and fall in love. In a two-part article, Scott Alexander Hess (author of Diary of a Sex Addict) and I explore the implications of these handy little widgets, both on traditional dating options and the psyche of those addicted to social apps.

In an interview with a long-time bar owner in Sydney, Australia, we quickly learned that Grindr and company are the work of the devil: "They are destroying the gay scene. Pubs are disappearing everywhere." On the other side of the world, in the famous 18th-century sauna Kaiserbrundl (which served as the blueprint for the Turkish bath in Bendetto Casanova: The Memoirs), we talked to Markus, 31, who has been going there for sex for seven years: "This is my last time. I won't come again. There are no more young guys here, only old men. All the hot young guys are on GayRomeo." (GayRomeo is Europe's answer to online dating.)

If gay bars and saunas are a way to meet people, then social apps are indeed the competition. The whole purpose of a gay bar is to identify those of us susceptible to the charms of the same sex. What's left of a gay bar, once the identification function is gone? "Nothing," a patron at the Savoy in Vienna explains. "It's just a bar. We'll all become like Copenhagen."

What's in Copenhagen? you ask. Well, the Danish gays and lesbians are known to mingle anywhere. Society is very open, and gays hang out in normal clubs. If you like boys, you hit on boys, that simple. No risk of a bar brawl. If only all countries were that progressive.

In Vienna, we moved on to a leather bar around the corner. It was empty, the darkroom deserted. Online, we counted 150 horny souls in a radius of 1 kilometer, all waiting in their heated living rooms to be visited by broad-chested strangers. "Going out is expensive. And people don't want to meet 'strangers' anymore. They want to know all your stats and see all your pics before you drop your trousers."

Standing in WeHo in line with my publicist, Mike, to get into Micky's, the whole talk of disappearing gay bars that has gripped Australia and Europe seems nonsense: there are hot guys everywhere. Some even without a phone in their hands. Until you talk to bar owners. They increasingly have to rely on live entertainment (strip shows, sex shows, etc.) to attract customers. "You should have seen the Friday night crowd five, 10 years ago!"

New places are popping up, with the help of Scruff and friends. Some coffee shops and book stores (those too threatened by the Internet) have become casual meeting places where the Grindrati "check in."

"The fears are overdone," explains Peter, a friend and sociology major. "If social apps are to replace bars, most people must be identifiable, i.e. have face pics. If they do, they are out. If they are out -- and more and more young people are -- then that's a good thing. We won't need gay bars to hide in anymore. We'll be able to be gay in any bar. Yes, we'll all be Danish! It's a good thing."

Perhaps. But does the social app change the way we date, too? What happens to people who grow up cyber-dating, making life choices based on a handful of pics rather than the impression gathered from a whole person: the smell, the way he talks...? What about those wonderful chance encounters with totally unexpected people whose online profile you would never, ever click on? How does online dating change the daters?

We'll explore that in part 2.

 
 
 

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Social dating apps are changing the way we find sex partners and fall in love. In a two-part article, Scott Alexander Hess (author of Diary of a Sex Addict) and I explore the implications of these han...
Social dating apps are changing the way we find sex partners and fall in love. In a two-part article, Scott Alexander Hess (author of Diary of a Sex Addict) and I explore the implications of these han...
 
 
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randallr01
randall reynolds refuses to tan
02:05 PM on 01/15/2012
Killing the gay bar? Maybe.

Killing hopes of finding relationships? Definitely.
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Venmaker1
I am deeply suspicious
01:17 PM on 01/15/2012
While I don't disagree with the article’s thesis I think there are other mitigating factors such as acceptance of gay people into more mainstream bars and social settings making "gay" bars somewhat obsolete and tired.

Most of my 40 something gay friends would rather have a great meal with a drink and meet and talk with people, and this is where many are meeting others. In my world many of our straight male and female friends are having a good time playing matchmaker. If nothing else it makes for interesting follow up dinners.

As gay people become more mainstream things that were gay centered out of necessity will need to reinvent themselves.
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DavidEm
Estne Volumen in Toga...?
12:40 PM on 01/15/2012
There's just something tragically consumerist about the apps and websites. It's like, detailing all your requirements from a menu, and rejecting the product if not exactly as the customer specified.

Dehumanizing the whole process, I would say.
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jabailo
(Participant) Texeme.Construct()
07:25 PM on 01/13/2012
Here's what I want.

I walk into a mall. My android GPS sends out a signal...ladies, he's here. Then all ladies who match me are invited to join me at the food court. That is my idea of social dating. No browsers, no long distance calls for weeks and weeks. Whoever is here gets it.
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waldopepper
I'd tell you all about me if you were my friend.
01:31 PM on 01/16/2012
I can see it now. The grease, that not so subtle aroma of industrial detergents. The clattering of plastic chairs on tiles. The surly staff shuffling through their shifts. The plastic plants. Yes the food court is the ultimate in romance. Magical! What Woman could resist?
04:42 PM on 01/13/2012
Alas, 'tis true.
01:09 PM on 01/13/2012
The social online gay scene is filled with ageism and other nasty attitudes. Even guys who are older than I am reject me as, "too old". I constantly see guys on-line over 40 who demand that all their sexual contacts are under 30, or younger. "It's just a preference," they say.

I happen to like guys over 40; I am way too old for twinks with whom I have nothing in common. But every guy I encounter over 40 who is reasonably good looking or interesting is either 1) attached, or 2) busy chasing guys under 30. As for the guys under 30, they're busy chasing each other. I don't blame them -- I have always been attracted to guys my own age. But what is with all these older guys who want nothing to do with people their own age?

Or, as I've said many times to a lot of them, "If YOU would not date YOU, how can you expect anyone else to want to?"
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Ghostberry
All empty souls tend toward extreme opinions.
12:24 AM on 01/15/2012
The reality of gay old age hasnt been a mainstream reality YET, too many guys chasing the young hung rainbow until they are set aside and marginalized. Sad story, learn from it.
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Venmaker1
I am deeply suspicious
01:20 PM on 01/15/2012
Spot on! Although most older guys who are looking to "date" younger are just really wanting to bone someone younger. Really, while I suppose there are exceptions to all rules, what does a 40 something have to talk about with someone in their 20s?
01:08 PM on 01/13/2012
Its more complicated than hookup sites. Yes, that is certainly part of it. But other factors include the costs, between cover charges and outrageous drink prices $50 is gone in a flash. Second, is that younger people no longer see their lives in terms of just going to bars. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, that is what you did to be out and social.
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09:39 AM on 01/13/2012
As other posters have noted, economics seem to drive gay bar attendance more than the apps. Covers and high drink prices are an immediate turn off. I have Grindr, which was initially amusing, but never use it unless I'm out of town. Even then I'd still rather interact with a person in 3D land.
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DanielSC
09:37 AM on 01/13/2012
We have a little local bar here in Laurel, MD... it is a blast, grant it, I do not go there to "hook-up," more into being social--it is almost like our Cheers. The people there are down to earth, nice folk... and unlike Grindr, you get to see the faces that go with the torsos. Grindr provides most of us with more entertainment than prospects.
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DCmykl
A long seemingly endless edge
04:35 AM on 01/13/2012
Social apps aren't "killing" the gay bar, but the success of the movement for GLBT equality and evolving social mores are, at least in large cities and metropolitan areas. In these places many gay people, particularly younger gays, don't feel a need to restrict their socializing or cruising to gay bars or clubs when their business and they are not only welcome but even agressively sought after by many if not most general interest establishments.
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mikeyaz17
a conservative's worst nightmare
02:06 PM on 01/14/2012
youre exactly correct
04:37 PM on 01/14/2012
what I was going to sAY.

As gay people become more integrated into society, the need for bars as a place to meet, socialize, and cruise becomes less and less necessary.
03:17 AM on 01/13/2012
Technology has weakened several hook-up methods and saved folks money too. Cruising in cars disappeared. This has saved gas and lessened pollution. Now, one need not leave home. Computers and smart-phones allow people to trade pics and messages and avoid the process of really dating. Let's trade pics, discuss fantasies and hook-up. The process is efficient and empty. Once again, no dressing up, buying drinks/dinner or a movie. Cheap quick sex.
03:02 AM on 01/13/2012
So we've used technology to reduce life to sex dates? How progressive.
04:31 AM on 01/13/2012
Another method to avoid learning to really date.
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oxjr
02:45 AM on 01/13/2012
Dude- it is a world wide recession. No one can afford a $30 cover, $300 8-ball to go out and be a disco-queen showing off their personal trainer created abs ($100 per hour) under a super sheer Prada tank ($350); Nope - its online to hook up with meth heads ($60 bucks for week of sketchy) who under the $1 store tea-lights is not going to notice you had to cancel the gym membership (or those ratty Calvin's that are as old as the trick you invited over). Best part - tap water is not $5 a pop, cause those online tweakers go through a lot of it.
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hippie canyon
not available on gps
04:04 PM on 01/15/2012
Ok, you've stolen my spot light. F&F.
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Jeff Lassiter
http://jefflassiter.com
11:33 PM on 01/12/2012
In NYC there seems to be a real effort to get rid of some of the gay bars that cater to men of color. It has nothing to do with Grindr or Scruff, more about the gentrification of the city. The only thing that Grindr seems to have changed here is that instead of standing back and scanning the crowd, everyone is checking their phones constantly.
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queertodaydotcom
10:20 PM on 01/12/2012
Gentrification is what is killing the gay bar. Fancy condos are replacing gay bars left and right.