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Will Robots and Automation Make Human Workers Obsolete?

Posted: 06/18/2012 7:05 pm

PBS News Hour recently had a special on the main topic I've been writing about here on The Huffington Post and elsewhere: unemployment and inequality caused by technology and, in particular, automation.

You can watch the video below:


The video includes input from two very prominent technology futurists: Ray Kurzweil and Peter Diamandis. Kurzweil is author of the book (and forthcoming movie) The Singularity Is Near and believes we're headed for a future where humans and machines merge (sort of like the Borg on Star Trek, but hopefully better-looking). Peter Diamandis is one of the leaders of the personal space flight industry and chairman of Singularity University, which offers graduate courses in futuristic technologies and their implications.

Both Kurzweil and Diamandis are strong believers (and advocates for) the so-called "technological singularity." The singularity is a future event in which technological progress begins moving at an incomprehensibly rapid rate. Things would be changing so fast that humans wouldn't be able to understand or follow the progress. Most people who believe in the singularity (singularians) associate it with the development of true artificial intelligence. Kurzweil, for example, believes that we'll build the first truly intelligent machines by 2029, and then the singularity will follow at around the year 2045.

While all this may seem a bit far-fetched, the singularity and proponents like Kurzweil and Diamandis have a strong following among the technology elite -- and in particular among Silicon Valley billionaires. People like Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, as well as Facebook investor Peter Thiel, have all been associated with the idea.

In the video above, Ray Kurzweil is asked about the possibility of a "digital divide" -- meaning that only a small percentage of the population is able to take advantage of new technologies, even as traditional employment opportunities are destroyed. Kurzweil seems to argue that we won't have a problem, because these new technologies will be affordable and widely available (he gives the example of cellphones). A little later in the video Diamandis makes essentially the same point.

These views strike me as both unrealistic and elitist. There is little evidence to suggest that most average people are going to be able to parlay access to a cellphone, social media, or other personal technologies into a livable income. Even among the minority of people who actually have the necessary skills and training, there is a strong element of luck associated with the success of any entrepreneurial activity. Most new businesses of any type fail. Assuming that a huge percentage (perhaps most) of the population will someday generate a meaningful income by independently leveraging technology is really quite a stretch.

A second problem with techno-optimists like Kurzweil and Diamandis is their near-exclusive focus on the cost side of technology. Many technologists believe that advancing technology and increased automation are likely to drive down costs and possibly make most products and services far more affordable. At the extreme, some techno-optimists believe in the promise of a "post-scarcity" economy. Even if we go along with that -- and there are certainly powerful opposing arguments based on energy and resource depletion and environmental degradation -- simply making "stuff" cheaper is not an adequate solution.

Imagine for a moment that you were living in the year 1900. Suppose you could look through a time portal and see the world of 2012. You might well suppose that a "post-scarcity" world had already been realized, given the far higher living standards that average people now enjoy. On the other hand, if you got a look at 2012 prices (as opposed to what you were used to in 1900), you certainly wouldn't feel that things had become more affordable!

The reality, of course, is that prices have increased dramatically in nominal terms since 1900 -- but average incomes have increased even more. The average U.S. worker in 1900 earned just $438 per year. Over the past 112 years, incomes have increased dramatically in real terms (after adjusting for inflation), leaving nearly everyone better off, even as prices have increased.

The problem is that if, rather than a period of 112 years, we look at just the last 30 years -- say since the mid 1980s -- the story is very different. Incomes (wages) for most average workers have been completely stagnant in real terms; after adjusting for inflation, most workers have made little or any progress. And for a number of big-ticket items -- like health care, housing, and education -- the situation has actually worsened significantly for most Americans.

So will making all kinds of stuff cheaper, even as incomes continue to stagnate and even fall, solve our problems? No, it will not. If we actually had a situation where prices for nearly everything fell while wages likewise fell and unemployment increased, that would be deflation. You won't find many economists who would advocate long-term deflation as a good strategy for the future.

Deflation destroys the incentive to invest in the future and, if prolonged, would likely slow the pace of innovation. The problem with deflation is that while incomes, prices, and asset values may well fall, debts do not deflate. The result would be widespread insolvency, potentially catastrophic financial crises, and lower living standards for virtually everyone.

The true challenge we face in the future is really about incomes. As technology and globalization advance, how do we get incomes for the majority of the population to continue increasing in real terms? This has been the historical path to prosperity, and we have to figure out how to maintain that trend going forward. One of the main ideas I focus on in my book The Lights in the Tunnel is that incomes power consumers -- and consumers ultimately power the economy.

If we can't find a way to maintain, and even increase, real incomes for the majority of our population, broad-based prosperity will become increasingly elusive.

See also this post on my EconFuture blog: "Technology, Globalization, Consumer Spending and Purchasing Power"

Martin Ford is the author of The Lights in the Tunnel: Automation, Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future (available from Amazon or as a PDF download). The book argues that accelerating information technology, and in particular robotics and artificial intelligence, is likely to have a disruptive impact on the future job market and economy. He also has a blog at econfuture.wordpress.com.

 
 
 
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10:13 PM on 06/24/2012
Everyone likes to show Germany as the one world economy that got it right. I watched a documentary on BMW's made in that country. Their factories are full of robots.
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jabailo
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05:01 PM on 06/21/2012
What you have to realize is that these technologies are dispersive, not convergent.

Hence, yes, it's hard to make money from them, when everyone ends up having the power of a supercomputer in their hand.

But you also have to realize what the "elites" are -- they are essentially lottery winners who by luck benefited from a monetary system which still is not normalized in any way or fashion to actual productive input into the system.
11:26 PM on 06/20/2012
Watch Zeitgeist: Moving Forward for free on YouTube to see how we could move to a sane and productive future with new technology. We can't just update technology. Our society needs to be updated as well. No use for an Atari in an X-Box 360 world.
10:15 AM on 06/20/2012
If none of this came true or if all of this came true NOTHING can get better when 2 billion more people are left useless by the year 2025. Too many people. Even if you had a world war that killed 2 BILLION people it would only get us back to where we are today.
03:49 AM on 06/21/2012
The interesting thing is that we even today have more than enough food that we make.
-and we make way to mutch stuff for people to get.
So the problem is to make shit that dont brake to fast...
I recommend the documentary:
"pyramid of waste" also know as "the lightbulb theory"
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glockman
08:14 AM on 06/20/2012
"Will Robots and Automation Make Human Workers Obsolete?"

No. Robots do not have hands. Something we've completely forgotten in this country is that humans have hands, and hands can build and mold things from the soul of who we are. We're losing our craftsmanship skills at an alarming rate. We once had artisans who could create beautiful, warm pieces of wood furniture, and gleaming curvy fantastic motor vehicles (think of 50's car design). Welders could lay a bead more perfect than a laid out roll of nickels; a human welder understood the nuances of the metal he or she was working with. Now we let machines, cold and lifeless machines, weld for us. Machines that do not feel the metal, machines that can not shape and mend material with heart.
09:52 AM on 06/20/2012
Some robots do have dextrous hands. Upload an STL file, and a CNC milling machine can produce perfect three-dimensional parts in a wide variety of materials. CNC mill a block of foam, use it pull a fiberglass negative mold, and you can stamp or hydroform sculpted body parts on an assembly line. Modern cars are shaped like they are because they are designed with CFD and wind tunnels to optimize aerodynamic performance and interior volume.

Manual welding is highly problematic when perfection is required. Douglas Aircraft had to invent a new type of robotic welding rig in order to fabricate the second stage of the Saturn V moon rocket, which used sheets of aluminum-lithium alloy that varied in thickness from top to bottom. They had some of the best human welders in the world, and they just couldn't do it well enough. Today, SpaceX has pioneered the use of automated friction stir welding in the production of super-lightweight rocket stages. This is an industry where the cost of elite human craftsmen would be easily justified if they could produce better results. But they can't. As far as I know, all friction stir welding applications are robotic.
03:59 AM on 06/20/2012
After the Great Depression nominal wages went up very fast. The last 30 years is comparable in many ways to 1915-1945 except that then there existed the gold standard which caused deflation while this time there is no gold standard and inflation, real inflation not the government contrived numbers, has been and will continue to result. This time the financial problems will very likely also be dragged out much longer because money is not tied to anything in the governments eyes so they will use every trick conceivable to forestall the resolution of the real problem which is debt. Debt has been driving consumers, the real engines of the economy, for the last 30 years but the ability for them to get more is quickly drying up. This mirrors the period leading up to the great depression and it will cause businesses to invest capital into processes that replace labor as a cost cutting measure and a way to tighten up their belts, temporarily making matters worse. Nothing will really change until the debt overhang is liquidated from the system through either massive inflation or, hopefully, massive and quick defaults and then there will be a new period of relative prosperity, exactly like what occurred in the 50s-70s, when the efficiency advancements of the last 30 years will become readily apparent to the average person. That is if the threat of financial collapse due to the debt overhang does not trigger a disastrous world war.
03:11 AM on 06/20/2012
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11:00 PM on 06/19/2012
People aren't needed to produce everything and more and fewer and fewer people are needed yet they never stop telling us about the demographic time bomb of not many workers forced to support retired people. It seems to me that both problems cancel each other out unless of course you are part of the ruling kleptocracy who absolutely must keep them both separated in order to justify creating poverty for both workers and pensioners.
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abluevoice
07:36 PM on 06/19/2012
Did somebody say guaranteed incomes? Try selling that to the Republican/T-Party. Their solution to robotics, artificial intelligence and automation replacing the working class will be more tax cuts and budget cuts.
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glockman
08:15 AM on 06/20/2012
Yeah, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but automation pre-dates your GOP hysteria.
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abluevoice
10:10 AM on 06/20/2012
Duh! So what's your point glockman. Are you denying that the GOP will try to sell the voters more trickle down as the solution to the massive unemployment caused in the future by more structural and technology caused jobs elimination?
02:39 PM on 06/19/2012
Human time will remain valuable. Machines just make more and better stuff but without people that stuff has no value. The work we will do is whatever work has value to other people. If there was no work of value for people to do then I suppose we can follow the example set in WALL-E or Star Trek where machines provide for everyone's basic needs.
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12:02 PM on 06/19/2012
I suppose borgs or robots have a better shot at living on a desert planet than living organisms do.

I guess the *singularity* better happen soon if even that potential future has a chance of happening.

Embrace the Desert !
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NetLoa
11:42 AM on 06/19/2012
Back in the 1980's a guy named Steve Max stated "Robots don't go shopping." It really is that simple. What that actually means, however, is that businesses become more capital-intensive and squeeze out labor as a factor input, and as a consequence effective demand disappears. What a surprise!
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Wayne Caswell
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11:37 AM on 06/19/2012
Moore's Law is enabling tech innovation faster than population growth, making even more jobs obsolete at a faster rate. While I was born into a world with about 2.5 billion people, there are now over 7 billion (see http://www.mhealthtalk.com/2012/05/7-billion-people/). Better medicine and improved agriculture have extended life expectancies and increased in world population, but given exponential advancements in automation, what will become of these unneeded people? Will the 1% dream up a form of genocide, such as war, engineered pandemic, regulated birth control, etc.?
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12:05 PM on 06/19/2012
I think the exhaustion of resources- especially water, which is being privatized- will do the trick.
10:42 AM on 06/19/2012
>Both Kurzweil and Diamandis are strong believers (and advocates for) the so-called "technological singularity." The singularity is a future event in which technological progress begins moving at an incomprehensibly rapid rate.

Then Kurzweil and Diamandis need to address the argument their friend Peter Thiel has made in several venues recently that we have lived in an era of technological stagnation since the 1970's, except for computing. The economist Tyler Cowen and the science fiction writer Neal Stephenson have lately made similar arguments. In fact Thiel says that most forms of engineering and many areas of scientific research face so many restrictions these days that they have become effectively illegal.
10:39 AM on 06/19/2012
“if, rather than a period of 112 years, we look at just the last 30 years -- say since the mid 1980s -- the story is very different. Incomes (wages) for most average workers have been completely stagnant in real terms; after adjusting for inflation, most workers have made little or any progress.”

After WWII, America enjoyed a unique temporary advantage. All America’s competitors had been devastated physically and economically. America only joined in the last weeks of 1941 and had minimal physical damage and low casualties relative to other combatants. Post war, it took competitors many decades to catch up as America continued to advance in the meantime. America’s advantage allowed it to pay its own citizens much higher incomes than people received for performing the same job elsewhere. Employers were prepared to pay more because their factories and investments were safer in America. Incomes for average workers haven’t been completely stagnant - they have been equalizing across the world as America’s post WWII advantage faded. In emerging economies, the rapid growth in labor costs is a major issue.
11:01 PM on 06/19/2012
I don't accept this idea that as China can make things now that it couldn't in 1970 that therefore the US cannot...  What does what others do have to do with what the US can do? Well?!!!