Is There Something the U.S. Can Learn from Argentina?

Posted January 11, 2008 | 06:03 PM (EST)



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I come from Argentina, one of the only countries in the world that has moved from the ranks of the developed world to the less developed world. Argentina's GDP per capita was higher and better distributed when I was born in the '60s than now. And as recently as 2002 the country was on the ropes with nearly half of the population living below the poverty line, the largest default in human history (3 times the size of Enron) and enormous unemployment.

Yet, declaring default and mostly not paying its foreign debt turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Argetina. After defaulting borrowing became impossible, most credit disappeared and the economy became a mostly cash/equity game. Since then, surprisingly, the country has been doing better and better. Argentina has grown at 9% compounded -- all this while having very little consumer credit, very little foreign debt, very little national debt, very little corporate debt and very little mortgage debt.

In Argentina, cash really is king as the other forms of payment are practically non-existent. So as the world goes into a US-originated credit crunch, Argentina finds itself in a unique position: that of having high reserves, no net debt and isolated from global financial turmoil. It is ironic that the U.S. has been going around the world promoting credit as the cure to anemic economic growth using the IMF and the World Bank as its flagships and now finds itself intoxicated by its own medicine. In the meantime, former failed states such as Argentina discover that a mostly equity-based economy is much better in times of financial crisis, that the indebtedness that the US was predicating for decades has a lot of drawbacks. Especially when you become, by far, the largest debtor in the world, your currency sinks and people begin to wonder if it still makes sense to continue to collect your paper.

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Handyman, Ghost,

No re-read necessary... I read it very well.

(the character limit for comments here was too small for my full remarks... see some fulsome discussion at www.yanquimike.com.ar)

The article is schizophrenic... it starts out so very derogatory but segues into how the "Cash is King" aspect of live here is what Argentina can bring to US policy. Cash is/has traditionally been king here... but that is changing very rapidly as US banking styles pervade even the "mattress" attitudes in Buenos Aires.

Argentina does, indeed, have much to teach the US... in fact, no other American nation so resembles the US other than maybe Canada.

Varsavsky, however, won't be the one that points out the lessons to be learned.

Thanks,
Yanqui Mike

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 01/16/2008

My problem is how many Americans are going to die from hunger soon because of what is coming. Those who live in euro zone are desperate, dying already! I have no pension plan, no medical insurance, and no ability to buy gasoline. I am dying from stomach disease, and cannot see a doctor! I am American citizen. Is this the American Dream the globalist Gateses, Friedmanses, Barneckeses, and Buffetteses are offering the 250 million Americans! To hell with them! We do not want any more free market! We hate globalism that benefits a selected group! To hell with them!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 01/14/2008

Wow, these are wonderful comments, to a very clear thinking ecomony seer. During the seventys I felt so sorry for Argentina...Now were in the same boat,sucking up to the world Banks...The rich want us to keep on pursing our lips for their big fat tush...It's a Mystery how this will all turn out.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 01/13/2008

Mr. Varsavsky,

I am a yanqui that emmigrated to Argentina more than four years ago.

I take issue with your assertion that Argentina has moved from the "ranks of the developed world to the less developed world." Please do us all a favor and describe what, in your opinion, was "developed" when your opinion of Argentina was higher... and what about Argentina today is "less developed".

You say that, in the country of your birth, "GDP per capita was higher and better distributed when I was born in the '60s than now." Very true, I believe. But all I can think of saying to that is, "me, too."

The default only affected private speculators (and those poor, foreign souls that trusted them.) Even then, the "investors", that had no reason to believe that they would ever receive a return other than a government bailout, protested when Argentina offered them more than 20 cents on the dollar for their folly. Some default, eh? They just don't make capitalists like they did when we were born.

Argentina paid and is paying every dollar the IMF and the World Bank ever loaned them. The big thing is: on top of the repayment, they're not asking for anything more. Believe it or not, the IMF and WB don't like that. We can only guess for ourselves as to why.

Then, after painting such a negative portrait, your article seems to change color... you seem to credit the "stiffing" of some rather few piratical "welfare-capitalists" with Argentina's dramatic recovery.

Maybe you're just being aplogetic for such a strong showing from "one of the only countries in the world that has moved from the ranks of the developed world to the less developed world."

Yes, Argentina has much to teach the US. But not from the position of "failed state"

Now what do you suggest to restore Argentina to it's throne of "a bigger middle-class than all of Latin America combined"? Something that still actually may be true.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 01/12/2008



Excellent posting. Argentina has got it right.

The truly great irony here in the US is that, after having cajoled us all into living a life based on credit, our corporate traitors have the audacity to ship our US jobs overseas at an unprecedented rate.

You can see how this equation ultimately plays itself out: get everyone in debt + ship jobs overseas = US credit meltdown. We really are screwed...




favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 01/12/2008

THE SUPPLY-SIDE SCAM

George Bush"s $3 trillion dollar tax giveaway to the rich over the past 7 years has been a disaster for average Americans. Supply-side (trickle-down) economics is a bogus theory promoted by those who benefit from it. In a mature capitalist system, supply side never rules, it"s always the demand side of the equation that governs growth and well-being. Think about the 1930s Depression, General Motors had plenty of supply, but demand evaporated.

Previous U.S. economic downturns have been cured with only $200-300 billion in tax cuts targeted to the middle class, because the consumer (the great middle class and 2/3rd of the economy) spends that tax cut and primes the economic pump. But George Bush has raised the debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay from $6 trillion to over $9 trillion for current economic growth (i.e. we all get trickled on, as the rich spend some small fraction of their gains). Unfortunately, this growth is largely and uniquely without wage gains, and so has shrunk the middle class that makes America strong and great. Also, this growth has already over ($3 trillion flushed down the toilet and gone!), as the FED has had to cut interest rates because recession is looming. Massive debt has led to a weak dollar, which is now at record lows vs. other major currencies because of FED interest rate cuts. In turn, the record low dollar has produced record oil prices ($100/barrel); and any additional needed FED interest rate cuts could cause a free fall in the value of the dollar, guaranteeing recession or worse, stagflation.

The middle class is slowly being tapped out, as home values (most of their net worth and the credit card of last resort) are falling in price, and a considerable number of homeowners are heading for foreclosure. With the rich-poor divide increasing, we"re headed toward previous shining examples of trickle-down economics: South America of the recent past and feudalism in the Middle Ages. SUPPY-SIDE ECONOMICS IS NEW FEUDALISM AND SERFDOM!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 01/12/2008


The US economy meltdown is being made to happen by the powers that be. Aided and abetted by people with red state mentality.
What their goal is I don't know, perhaps they don't even know. Driven by greed and stupidity.
The bunch leading this place should never have been allowed to gain positions of authority. They are sick and demented.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 01/12/2008

Argentina has figured out that the 'Road to Serfdom' is paved with University if Chicago Straussian and Freidman philosophy. They have figured out that the World Bank, IMF and WTO are captive to interests that do not align with their own or that of their neighbors. They have also figured out, at great cost, that strong, authoritarian central governments can do more evil than most could ever imagine.

I hope that my fellow Americans figure the same out without having to suffer as the people of Argentina have.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 AM on 01/12/2008

Argentina learned it's lesson the hard way and it costs them dearly.

I am glad to hear that Argentina no longer believes in globalization, privatization and free markets.

Americans have been fed globalization ala Milton Friedman economics, but they just don't know it.

Bush is taking the fatted calf up to the altar to be slaughtered.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 01/12/2008

AMERICA and it's CIA created the crisis in Argentina. The CIA helped oust Allende in the 1970's and put Pinochet in to run Shock Therapy economics created by Milton Friedman.

Milton Friedman economics has systematically destroyed country after country since the 1970's with it's Shock Therapy economics.

Milton Friedman's economic plan was put into fast forward mode in America after 9-11.

9-11 was the shock.

Since 9-11 BUSH has paved the way for Corporatism, privatization of services and free market economics - all espouted by Milton Friedman and neo-conservatives.

Milton Friedman economics creates '' rich get richer'' society and the rest fall into state of poverty.

Americans need to realize that this economic meltdown we are teetering on has been planned for a long time.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 01/12/2008
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