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Why Black People Shouldn't Talk to Black People

Posted: 10/05/2012 12:00 pm

The latest non-flap over President Obama, is the October Surprise that Black people sometimes talk to Black people. This, of course, has long been a source of white mistrust and apprehension. The commentators who have flooded television, blogs and Twitter with their horror over then-Senator Obama's 2007 speech at Hampton University are manifesting that age-old anxiety that if African Americans somehow address each other - especially on political topics - then it must be about division, separatism and conspiracy. Suddenly, the Fear of the Black Planet takes hold, and no matter what words are actually said, some folks with a deeply ingrained (and probably guilt-induced) phobia of Black people are going to produce their own pre-emptive narratives of imagined, future victimization.

It's worth acknowledging again that this kind of paranoia has deep roots in American culture. In American history there have been numerous attempts to legislatively prevent Black people from speaking to each other. Slave codes often banned gatherings of African Americans on the presumption that the only thing that Black people really wanted to talk about was rebelling against their oppression. Words of freedom coming from Black mouths must be a threat to the Republic and a threat to white life and property. Let's remember, however, that there are other moments that are lauded in US History that we also consider the height of patriotism. The mythos of the Founding Fathers is built on precisely such gatherings. Yet when such legalistic attempts to silence this devious talk of liberty failed, then there was always the option of terrorizing Black communities that might be invoked; the 19th and 20th centuries are replete with such examples, from the rise of the Klan to the counter Civil Rights Movement. But such suspicions linger in the post Civil Rights Era because history is not simply something we "get over." Some people take as an affront (or worse) any reminder that past injustices still underlie present inequalities. It's as if we should all dismiss the past as simply a past that had no bearing on the present; well, at least when it comes to some vision of the past that does not posit a present of perfect meritocracy. However, when the only African American president seems to be in need of excoriation for talking to other Black people, then the past is relevant. What's at stake in the revival of these videos is the care and maintenance of a double standard that has continually cast African American patriots, freedom fighters, politicians and intellectuals as being the un-American antithesis of the Founding Fathers.

Yet there is more than just a lesson is history and politics here. There is also in the (re)dissemination and promotion of this anti-Obama "evidence," a window into the on-going evolution of American social relations that are based on race. Let me put this another way, when a Black presidential candidate or president addresses a Black audience, it raises another version of that old cliché: "Why do the Black kids always sit together in the lunch room?". Of course, that tired, old query begs the question of segregation. Why do white kids do it, too? Yet there is great power even in logical fallacies, and the rhetoric of race-baiting is anything but logical (in the sense of making coherent, uncontradictory sense; racism, of course, has its own twisted logic). What's really significant about the question are some of the unspoken assumptions it carries with it:

  • If you can't hear what a seemingly similar group is talking about, then they must be talking about you, the dissimilar one. Of course, this is the privilege of egotism at work. They may or may not be, and if they are, the discussion may be positive, negative or neutral. The irony of these "October Surprise" tapes is that they were readily available and given in a public forum in the first place, so there was never any reason to be paranoid about the content of the remarks, only about the social fact of Black people speaking to each other.
  • Why should the asker of the lunchroom question assume that s/he is unwelcome to sit there also? Did you ever ask to sit there? Or just go claim your right to sit wherever you wish? Would it be taboo to do so? If so, doesn't NOT sitting there simply reinforce that taboo, rather than breaking it? Perhaps, we might not want to break it; it's just socially easier to assume than to know. And the broad strokes of American racial knowledge are always based on assumptions.
  • African American public figures are expected to address the "majority." Only be doing so consistently and publicly can they come to be seen as "non-threatening." Black words must be vetted and dissected by white ears for them to be acceptable for the national norm. They must reassure the insecure of non-threatening nature. At the worst, those words need to pander to a kind of apathetic self-satisfaction that reinscribes the social hierarchies of the past.

Let's forget the fact that Black people might talk to other Black people because, well, they just happen to like Black people. They speak to them because they don't have to be "tolerated," "humored," or inexplicably categorized by their audience. The one thing that gives me hope in all this is how, for so many people, the revival of these tapes failed to be a topic of serious discussion. Perhaps we are, indeed, slowly changing America's past.

 

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The latest non-flap over President Obama, is the October Surprise that Black people sometimes talk to Black people. This, of course, has long been a source of white mistrust and apprehension. The com...
The latest non-flap over President Obama, is the October Surprise that Black people sometimes talk to Black people. This, of course, has long been a source of white mistrust and apprehension. The com...
 
 
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06:29 PM on 10/15/2012
This article is so on point its crazy!!!! I'm Jamaican British born and believe me when I say the parallels in the UK are exactly the same, which leads me to believe that this is most likely the general issue in regards to the Black, White dichotomy internationally. The paranoia of needing to be close enough to know what we're up to or what we maybe thinking, being offended at the slightest hint of what may be perceived separatism but not wanting us in the same space as them! Lol!
Ever heard of the term 'White Flight'?? Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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06:50 PM on 10/09/2012
Suffering needlessly can become a habit. Some say we become a creature of our environment which will be manifested in the final output of our lives and the attitude we portray in the everyday, mundane things we are involved in. We are what we have learned and identify with. Yes, we can legislate many things common to man but the success of a thing begins with a change of heart.
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blackhawaiian
11:08 PM on 10/08/2012
This is just another example of white, arrogance. The idea that a white man can tell an entire race what do, say and think, is ludicrous? Don't tell us what to do, and we won't tell white people, what to do.
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Marty Favor
02:28 PM on 10/09/2012
Just for the record, I'm African American. As the great Zora Hurston wrote, "We'se uh mingled people and all of us got black kinfolks as well as yaller kinfolks" (Their Eyes Were Watching God). That said, I'm not sure where the comment on the article is coming from except from a misplaced ability (like Scott Brown's) to know race when one sees it. I'm all for freedom of speech; the title is ironic, a figure os speech I quite enjoy.
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blackhawaiian
03:57 PM on 10/09/2012
Whether you're black, white, or green, nobody can speak for an entire race, or tell them what to do, and what to say. Black preachers have tried that, and failed. As for freedom of speech, I'm definitely in favor of it. Right now, I'm exercising my freedom of speech, in disagreeing, with you.
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Seattle Noir
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11:45 AM on 10/10/2012
If your picture represents you are a one dropper at best and because of it. I enjoyed this article very much and will look forward to reading what you have/will write, however people only know if you tell them
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blackhawaiian
10:47 PM on 10/08/2012
What makes a white man an expert and gives him insight, on what black people should talk about? Black people can talk about, and to, whomever they choose. It's called, Freedom Of Speech. He should, read the first amendment, of the constitution.
10:23 PM on 10/08/2012
Right on!
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talkbackamerica
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05:09 PM on 10/08/2012
The President need not become an angry Black Man. He only needs to be the President of a nation that is diverse and because of its diversity suffers from diseases: social, political, fiscal, and others. Many of the problems the president is expected to solve should to be addressed individually and locally.Statements from several observers indicating dissatisfaction on the part of the president’s failure to place more emphasis on the plight of the homeless, neighborhood blight, violence, and areas, should be addressed individually. He is one man that has immense power and authority but not the captain of his ship. He is not responsible for the homelessness, rampant sexual activities resulting in abnormally high out-of-wedlock births among young women, high numbers of high school dropouts among minorities, rampant gun violence among Afro Americans and others. Many national, state, and local policies have contributed to these deplorable conditions but they were in place years prior to this president’s tenure. Because he is, an African American President does not make him any less President for everyone. In addition to these deplorable, untruthful and misguided allegations, there are those African Americans such as the Black Man who trumpets his perceived failures by the President in Mr. Romney’s campaign ads, trumpeting his support for Romney. While the GOP in an effort to appease the extreme support in their ranks still spout their belief that slavery was a blessing for blacks. Where do these people hail from?
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04:50 PM on 10/08/2012
Marty Favor, thank you for writing such an excellent and much-needed essay! As a Southern Black person, frequently my manner of communicating and thinking is NOT consistent with the status quo. I probably should have changed my ways, but I seem to be incorrigible about speaking about things of which I feel passionate. Therefore, I've experienced some backlash your essay describes –particularly when I’m attempting to dialogue about religion and rationality in conjunction my Christian faith.

Nonetheless, I believe that among the most serious things that Black people R-E-A-L-L-Y should talk to Black people about involves "organized religion," or simply religion. Of course people should talk regardless of color or race, when they wish to acquire substantive information and viewpoints for purposes of good decisions and choices, regarding matters of faith and belief. As for me, NOT talking and sharing information concerning religious imprudence (and other things!) is just something I seem unable to do. http://www.lawgrace.org/2012/09/22/organized-religion-farewell-religion-divine-hello/
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04:20 PM on 10/08/2012
Great article, and full of a lot of truths that probably would make many in our country uneasy to hear. As a gay, man of color, I'd like to draw a parallel: you also see this kind of thing happen when it comes to ANY non-white minority community. Many people assume that any kind of gathering of minorities is some attempt at pushing or plotting an agenda that would harm the white majority in this country; and thus anytime a minority group wants to address anything seriously, it has devolved into pandering to insecure, and/or racist whites, and forcing this notion that if they tolerate us we'll try our best to be as non-threatening and "just like them" as possible.

Fear really is the mind killer.
02:45 PM on 10/07/2012
Marty,

Your article is so on point, I wish I could have articulated this issues as well as you have. It's sad that some members of my own community can't understand the profound and truthful message of your article.
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TLKelly
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07:43 PM on 10/06/2012
So if we had a Latino president and he started talking Spanish to an all Latino audience the GOP would whine, kick, and scream for him to only speak English?
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george martini
I wasn't always this introverted.
03:24 PM on 10/08/2012
Home run
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Absolute
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11:27 AM on 10/09/2012
Yep, you nailed it.
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sahara queen
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12:11 PM on 10/06/2012
So Fox News and the rest thought that President Obama way of addressing his audience was some kind of a ralling cry to African Americans. That is so stupid. As a matter of fact, I did not agree with him and countless others that President Bush did nothing for Katrina Victims because of color. He would never sacrifice one White person to to destroy African Americans. My belief was President Bush was dumb and did not know how to handle this, May have been drinking on that day and all the days after.
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Absolute
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11:15 AM on 10/06/2012
Just don't tell white people about our monthly BlackPeople meetings. They'll really get nervous.
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03:04 PM on 10/06/2012
Don't understand why White People spend soooooo much time trying to figure out how Black People communicate, think or vote. Is it because we may not have their best interest in mind. Romney's comments abut 47% struck a cord with me because I believe he was speaking about people like me. After hearing those comments, I went out the next day & every available day afterwards to volunteer for voter registration, phone banking & work in office evenings. I am a struggling small business owner, just holding on. I am also a person that believes in the President & nothing all the "TALKING HEADS" can say or do to change my mind.
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08:31 PM on 10/06/2012
Hello Absolute; Now you've done it. You know you ain't supposed to mention nothin' 'bout "The" meeting'. You in trouble now, Sista(smile). I couldn't resist having read your comment. I hope my response wasn't taken seriously. Hope-a, Hope-a, hope-a. Life.
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george martini
I wasn't always this introverted.
04:09 PM on 10/07/2012
I listen to Earl Hooker who is my favorite slide guitarist. Doesn't that count for something?
11:00 AM on 10/06/2012
Wow, talk about disingenuous--this article epitomizes it. The controversy, to that extent that there is one, is not over Obama speaking to a Black audience...no one cares about that Marty, not even conservatives...the controversy is over WHAT was said. Here you have Obama, a man who presented himself to the American public as a post-racial, bi-partisan candidate. A man who gave speeches extolling “...there is not a liberal America and a conservative America--there is the United States of America, there is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America--there’s the United States of America.” Yet, he gives a speech to a Black audience in which he says the reason for the slow Federal response to Katrina was because the victims were Black: injecting race into an issue that had nothing to do with race and everything to do with governmental incompetence--primarily at the state and local level, but also at the federal level. Obama’s remarks to that audience speak directly to a question Obama himself posed during a speech at the 04 Democratic convention when he asked “...do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?” I’ll leave that answer to you Marty.
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lionzion
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05:49 AM on 10/07/2012
You might want to see the racist Arkansas state congressman story here on HP and asked yourself, are there anymore like him in the south? Now, ask yourself, what state is new Orleans located in?
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george martini
I wasn't always this introverted.
03:26 PM on 10/08/2012
The bible belt is full of them.
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09:25 AM on 10/07/2012
Oh yeah, the President is the one who decided racism was over when he was elected....riiiight

Post-racial is a word used by those who didn't vote for the President but wanted to use his election to pretend that racism is over in America....but here's the thing...the people who elected the President weren't racist in the first place and those who were horrified that he was elected couldn't even allow themselves to believe he was American.

Post-racial.... I don't know anyone who watched NOLA drown who wasn't shocked and horrified at the lack of response. A friend in Florida actually hitched his boat up and drove through the night to help and he was turned back by the national guard...he went home to continue to watch as people sat atop roofs or were shot at as they tried to cross a bridge.

Repub obstructionism meant it didn't matter how much the President tried to work together, it couldn't happen. Filibustering was not only at an all-time high but tenfold....how very post-racial
10:45 AM on 10/07/2012
Who has made the claim that racism is over? I never made that claim nor do I know of anyone who has, so what point are you trying to make? My post is a critique of a man who ran as someone who had moved beyond the politics of race and the cynical policies advocated by those with a racial animus. That, by the way, is what is meant by post-racial..it does not mean racism is over. That is your definition, not mine, so don’t try and pawn off your personal resentments, insecurities and racial baggage on me.

As for the lack of response after Katrina, as I said before, it was a failure at all levels of government, including and most especially at the local level. The response of Mayor Nagin’s administration was a total and abject failure--as was Governor Blanco’s. But back to the topic of my original post: the hypocrisy and cynicism of Obama. In 2007, then Senator Obama, speaking to a largely Black audience, told them that the federal government refused to waive the Stafford Act--legislation that requires communities hit be disasters to match 10% of federal aid--implying that the reason was based on race (since it was waived for Hurricane Andrew relief and 9/11) . What he failed to mention was that Congress had indeed waived the Stafford act requirement for Katrina, but that Obama himself had voted against the waiver. Cynicism and hypocrisy at its finest.
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littlebrowngirl
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10:29 AM on 10/06/2012
Black folks don't spend their time thinking about white folks. Apparently some white folks can't stop thinking about us. Hmmmm.
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george martini
I wasn't always this introverted.
08:46 PM on 10/06/2012
Well.... we're all in this together aren't we? I've had some black friends that I trust more than my own relatives.
01:10 AM on 10/06/2012
This reminds me of an incident that occurred when I was teaching in a very diversely populated public high school.

One day, while the students were passing from one class to the other, a black student said or did something that a white counselor saw or overheard, and found offensive. In fact, this particular white counselor seemed to have a penchant for being offended by black students.

The counselor followed the student to the classroom, and asked the teacher to call for security to escort the offender to the main office. However, the security guard who came to the classroom to escort the student also happened to be black.

The counselor immediately interceded, and refused to release the student to the security guard because ... and she actually said this ... they were both black and she could not therefore trust the security guard to execute his duties responsibly.

So she called for the white security guard to escort the student instead.

We have seen this same dynamic played out over and over again since the President's election. When there are black guests at the White House, when he's with his black friends, or addressing a black audience, or speaking in black dialect, etc., suspicions arise, specifically among white right-wingers. When black people are interacting with black people, the distrust is palpable, and suddenly it becomes "breaking news!"
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robXdion
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10:29 AM on 10/06/2012
This happens in various ways that touch most aspects of life and sadly many blacks don't understand it, deny it, and will even support whites who act this way because all they know is appeasing whites insures their social acceptance.
01:22 PM on 10/08/2012
The bigger question with this scenario is WHY we allowed this counselor who has " biased laser like focus on black students" in this school to even call the shots in the first place?

if not US then who? if not now then when? jfk