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How to Talk Turkey on Immigration

Posted: 11/23/11 04:32 PM ET

Washington, D.C. area schools participate in the Urban Debate program, which gives middle school children the opportunity to learn the art of debate. My sixth grader signed up right away. She was surprised to learn, however, at her first tournament that many people have no qualms debating either side of an issue, no matter how they personally feel about it. She also discovered that a few kids had no problems saying whatever they had to say to win. She was in tears because another twelve year old insisted that American lives were more valuable than others in a debate over U.S. military involvement abroad.

I didn't have the heart to tell her that in the debate over immigration we see far worse nearly every day. The misinformation that is routinely spread and the disregard for human lives is common in the immigration debate. Whether it is politicians calling for electrified fences, schoolchildren herded into gymnasiums to determine their legal status, or blatant misuse of statistics to scare the public, immigration is hardly a genteel topic.

This year in particular, as the Alabama law unleashes a civil rights crisis in that state, I can only imagine that there will be some very difficult conversations around the Thanksgiving dinner table. Although proponents of immigration reform are armed with more anecdotes and statistical information than ever, the increasingly preposterous stories coming out of Alabama will make some people shake their heads and say -- it just can't be so.

So what to do? We offer a list of tips for making the case, politely but firmly, for a rational immigration policy.


  1. Be prepared. The Immigration Policy Center's (IPC) website contains numerous short fact sheets on immigrants and the economy, crime, unemployment, immigration reform and more. At a minimum, download your state fact sheet. And since Alabama is all over the news, check out IPC's recent publications and blog posts that detail some of the absurd consequences of HB 56.



  1. Be sympathetic. The evidence is mounting that most people who fear immigrants are really afraid of the change that immigrants represent. This is particularly true in states that have relatively little immigration, such as Georgia and Alabama. The number of immigrants is small, but the percentage of growth can seem huge. Try to figure out what is really irking your relative--are they angry that their favorite restaurant has changed hands? Ask them what they would do if that same restaurant closed. Are they afraid that there will be no jobs for Americans? Ask them if they believe immigrants, rather than lack of job training and job growth are better targets for their ire. Helping them to see that change can be positive and is rejuvenating many communities can help to reframe the conversation.



  1. Avoid the blame game. Don't get trapped into arguments that start out, "well, those people broke the law." Try to move the conversation forward by stressing that rather than focusing on punishing the past, you want to think about how we make the future better for everyone. I often say--because I believe it--"I can't get the jobs back that may or may not have been lost in your community. All the economic studies show, however, that immigration is essential to further economic growth. So, if we want a better future for everyone, we have to find solutions that work right now."



  1. Know your audience. There are issues you just shouldn't touch and maybe immigration is one of them. But it might also depend on the way your present your arguments. A deeply religious person could be unmoved by your crisp economic analysis, but genuinely touched by the biblical call to aid the stranger. There are so many different reasons to support immigration reform--you don't have try to list every one of them in one breath. Less, in fact, may be more.



  1. Be practical. You are not necessarily going to win your loved ones over with a single brilliant analysis. But you can ask questions that get them thinking differently. Ask them what the solution is from their perspective? Can we really afford to deport 12 million people? How can legalization be an amnesty when it requires people to register, pay taxes, stay right with the law and "earn" citizenship? Wouldn't you rather have folks paying taxes at their full potential than being paid under the table and not paying their full share? These kinds of questions really do start the dialogue.



  1. Find common ground. The fact that most of us have an immigrant past--no matter how distant--sets the stage for a conversation. How was grandma or even great-grandpa treated when they came over from Italy, Germany or Ireland? What did they want for their future? Where would America be today without those immigrants who took a risk? The more people realize that they have a personal stake in keeping those opportunities alive for others, the more they might listen to your point of view.



  1. Find the exception to the rule. No matter how anti-immigrant someone is, they will have at least one friend or colleague who defies their stereotypes of immigrants. If you let people talk for a while, the story of that friend will inevitably come up. Start asking questions about that exceptional immigrant's life.



  1. Have another piece of pie and a cup of coffee. Food is a universal facilitator of conversation. It's much harder to yell at someone with pumpkin pie in your mouth.


Sooner or later, Urban Debate will probably tackle the question of immigration, but when it does, I want my daughter to be able to draw a distinction between arguments grounded in reality and compassion and those that are motivated by nothing but fear or a desire to win. There are legitimate policy debates to be had on the immigration question, but for many people, the conversation never gets that far. If you can get past square one, I'm convinced that most people will see that immigration reform is in the country's best interests. And if that happens, then maybe next year's feast will be a bit more pleasant.

 

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Mark Lindley
09:24 AM on 11/29/2011
To the editor of this article:

We already have a rational immigration policy. We take in over a million legal immigrants per year which is based on our ability to supply them with jobs and resources and not negatively impact our own citizens. We should change this sound policy to accomodate the millions of excess here illegally? Doesn't that negate that sound policy? Why even have immigration laws then?
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Mark Lindley
10:00 PM on 11/27/2011
Why would any "honest" person refer to illegal aliens as immigrants? Why would any loyal American object to the enforcement of our immigration laws?
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Joel Wischkaemper
11:22 AM on 11/24/2011
I didn't have the heart to tell her that in the debate over immigration we see far worse nearly every day. The misinformation that is routinely spread and the disregard for human lives is common in the immigration debate.
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Boy do I agree. The American Taxpayers have been kicked under the bus, and we have been paying something over $113 billion a year. That does NOT include the bills the illegal aliens with fake I.D.s run up, and run out on. If the sticker price on the illegal aliens, over the last ten years only, is not over a trillion dollars, I would be very suprised.. and it is going up. That is totally unacceptable and congress has simply ignored us. Those cheap wages were just to important to them.
Blantent misuse of statistics? They come from the Genral Accounting Office, and investment houses that MUST tell their customers the truth no matter what the Feds say. We ask them to show us what is wrong with the figures.. no response.
We need to vote on this issue. We need to vote on the issue of the Birthright Citizenship too!! Soon. http://www.congress.org and talk to your Federal AND State reps.
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Rastageneral
Babylon can't fool I - Rastafari rule I
11:51 AM on 11/24/2011
Where do you get your 113 billion a year figure from? You got a link?
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
01:50 AM on 11/24/2011
1. CIS fact sheets are mostly scraping the bottom of the barrel
2. Why defend the worst human ponzi scheme in history.
3. Studies show that skilled immigrants bring prosperity not unskilled illegals.
4. Immigration reform is no the issue - immigration enforcement is. Without effective enforcement, all other arguments are moot.
5. After SB1070, 100,000 illegals self deported. If we extrapolate that over 50 states, we will be half way to resolving teh problem at no cost.
6. Nobody is arguing about immigration - just illegal immigration. The US currently admits over 1 million legal immigrants annually.
7. See point #6
8. Pie is no antidote for self righteousness.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Rastageneral
Babylon can't fool I - Rastafari rule I
11:15 AM on 11/24/2011
1 CIS fact sheets? The author proposes using an IPC fact sheet: read again.
2 Human ponzi scheme? Pure rhetoric and a made-up term. Frank Luntz?
3 Wrong. Even the liberty-espousing, free market-loving conservatives at the libertarian CATO Institute have published studies showing that low skilled illegals bring prosperity to everyone:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12730

4 Comprehensive immigration reform incorporates increased enforcement as one part of its overall goals: don't pretend it doesn't.
5 There are many unresolved questions over the constitutionality of SB1070 & all the other recently passed state laws in Red States: don't pretend that there aren't.
6 Nice try. The most influential intellectual of the anti-illegal movement of the last few decades, John Tanton (founder of FAIR and CIS by the way), tried saying the same thing until he outed himself as being racist and for making cultural arguments against legal immigration as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/us/17immig.html?pagewanted=1&_r=4&sq=john%20tanton&st=cse&scp=1

7 I'm not saying that everyone who is anti-illegal-immigration is racist. There are those that aren't and I totally respect them because there is a point to be made; namely, that American taxpayers do end up paying some unknown, unproven amount of money for them (but that amount is probably modest).
8 Pie is good for the piehole... so stuff it buddy.
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Joel Wischkaemper
11:27 AM on 11/24/2011
The people who want the illegal aliens sanctified desperately want them called immigrants. Illegal aliens are illegal aliens, and very frequently do not speak English, and in better days have suggested the U.S. should be a dual language Nation.. Spanish and English. Write your congressperson.