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Posted: November 20, 2007 02:46 PM

NH Cop To McCain: Drug War Blows


The following piece was produced by HuffPost's OffTheBus. A related post can be found on Send the Right Message.

John McCain does a lot of town hall meetings, and he's usually quite pleased to get questions from law enforcement officers, firefighters, and military personnel. Sunday evening at Franklin Pierce College in Rindge, NH, may have provided an exception.

It would be an understatement to observe that this was not the usual question: "I've served here in my state as a law enforcement officer for going on 9 years now, and after nine years working the street, I've come to the conclusion that the War on Drugs is a terrible failure... I have seen firsthand that the War on Drugs causes crime, it causes children to have access to drugs easier, and it does nothing to curb the problem of drug abuse. Just like Alcohol Prohibition after the the 18th Amendment passed, the country wised up and we passed the 21st Amendment which curbed the violence problem in this country greatly. What is it going to take for powerful politicians such as yourself to realize that the War on Drugs is a failure and we need to... we need to get smart about drugs, not tough. We need to be smart."

McCain responded: "Thank you, sir. It's going to take a lot before I adopt your viewpoint."

This drew some laughs and scattered applause from the crowd. But it was only the beginning of a three minute answer.

McCain rested the first part of his rationale for the War on Drugs on the pharmacological differences between alcohol and drugs. He claimed that most experts agree alcohol is fundamentally different in that only alcohol can be moderately consumed.

The senator did say he would support a small increment of reform. "I will agree with you to this extent, that too often we put first-time drug users in prison," he said, and was quickly interrupted by applause from a smattering of college students.

This drew a smile and a joke from McCain, who then went on to say he supports a program in Arizona that gives first-time offenders a treatment option. McCain said such a program should be implemented nationally.

"We have too many first-time drug offenders in prison," he repeated. "I think we all know that."

But McCain cited policy experiments in Europe which he said were a failure, and he said the U.S. should work with Mexico to do continuing battle with drug cartels.

"I will do whatever I can to help you combat these drug dealers, these terrible people who prey on America," he told the officer.

The New Hampshire police officer questioning McCain was Bradley Jardis, a speaker with the organization Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (L.E.A.P.). Jardis rocked the boat earlier this year when he testified in favor of ending Marijuana Prohibition before New Hampshire legislators. He says he enforces the laws because it's his job to do so, but he feels it is his duty as a citizen to speak out against a policy which he says needlessly destroys lives.

McCain then directed a question at Jardis, continuing the exchange:


McCain: I just want to ask one other thing. Do you think methamphetamine ought to be legal?

Jardis: I think what we need to look at is the drug policy.

McCain: Yeah, but you know, it's one thing to talk about policy. It's another thing to talk about specifics, and with all due respect, do you think methamphetamine ought to be made legal?

Jardis: I don't think that if someone gets caught with methamphetamine, we should be putting them in prison, period. We should be helping them. We should help people who are addicted to drugs, not spend $69 billion a year to put people in jail. If you arrest somebody, it does not solve the problem. You just said that there are drug cartels. There would not be drug cartels if we were to regulate drugs. In Switzerland they have public heroin clinics where people can go and get help with clean needles to come off drugs There's no doubt that drugs are dangerous, but our policy does not do anything to help people who are addicted. If you arrest a 16-year-old for possession of marijuana, and they get a criminal conviction, you can get over an addiction but you can never get over a conviction. They lose their funding to go to college, and no one could ever say that keeping a kid from going to college accomplishes something good. Not at all.

McCain: (interrupts) Thank you very much. I'm sorry you didn't have a position on methamphetamine, but I do agree with you. I do agree with you strongly. As I said, we have this program in Arizona that I'd like to see adopted nationwide that first-time offenders are given an opportunity to rehabilitate themselves and to have a clean record. I thank you for your service, and I appreciate the discussion, and I look forward to continuing this dialogue because I in no way... do I in any way mean to diminish the magnitude of this problem and the terrible tragedies it inflicts on America every single day. Thank you, and thank you for your service.

At the event's conclusion, Jardis approached McCain, shook his hand, and handed him a L.E.A.P. DVD to watch.


The following piece was produced by HuffPost's OffTheBus. A related post can be found on Send the Right Message. John McCain does a lot of town hall meetings, and he's usually quite pleased to get q...
The following piece was produced by HuffPost's OffTheBus. A related post can be found on Send the Right Message. John McCain does a lot of town hall meetings, and he's usually quite pleased to get q...
 
 
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03:33 PM on 11/23/2007
The war on drugs is a monumental failure and to continue down this path proves the idiocy of following America's religious leaders and their warped morality. Abortion is murder but killing thousands of innocent civilians in an unecessary war is perfectly acceptable. What person in their right mind could believe this crap.
09:47 PM on 11/21/2007
I would like to correct a part of my last post. I inadvertently said that the war on terrorism was unproved. The attacks on 911 were most certainly provocative and responding by taking military action against the Taliban in Afghanistan was the right thing to do. I meant to say that the war in Iraq was unprovoked.
04:20 PM on 11/21/2007
The War on drugs was first about Black Jazz musician's, then about Dow Chemical wanting to replace Hemp (pot) rope with their new Nylon, then it was about the Beatniks, then the Hippies. now the poor and the liberals.

It's just Daddy fascism "protecting us from ourselves".
04:07 PM on 11/21/2007
Senator McCain is not a "liberal" thinker, as in the personal liberty that our founders sought to insure with The Bill of Rights aka Bill of Protections. He also is not a conservative thinker along the lines of personal responsibility for one's own actions. He is not a "constitutionalist" as he chooses to ignore the fourth amendment protections against government intrusion into a person's private life, home, car, and etc. One is ONLY fit to be President if he or she "defends the Constitution" as provided for in the Presidential oath. That means that they understand, abide by, and enforce it. While in office as a Senator, Mr. McCain could have objected to every unconstitutional act of either house but, he chose not to. This could have been his ticket to the Presidency as it could have been for any other politician. Sadly, all the candidates are running on issues, pro or con, and as a result "the People" are bent on installing a proxy. The job of the President is not about issues because only the legislatures can make laws. What McCain ought to have said was that all drug laws are uncontitutional---period. I guess I must be all of the things I believe McCain isn't because I don't believe it is the job of government to protect me from myself. I also do not want to foot the bill for those who have become addicted to drugs. I believe that I can do anything I want to MY body and live MY life as I see fit as long as it infringes on no one else's rights. This isn't about drugs ---it is about personal liberty. See it as it really is. Go to newswithviews.com and read the article by Joe American, a politician in office today.
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03:56 PM on 11/21/2007
Any feeling for the history of the human race and especially western history, will convince that the war on drugs is a religious war no more or less bitter than the Reformation.

What is an individual life for? Who owns the human sense of spirituallity or religious autonomy? Does an individual owe the most private life bits to government? To culture? To family?

The antibaptists were not up against any less because the real issue is not medical. It is instead about control of common reality. In the end it's about keeping taxes flowing. Isn't it always?

This explains why primal cultures, that is, cultures that require few taxes, also encourage ordinary people to go looking for their own, original reality. Gods still speak to them. Such people don't require priests. Life is an experience, not a theory. Or not. Stay asleep. Let Big Brother tell you what life is. I say this because this culture is no less friendly to any experiential religion (i.e. Buddhism) than it is to drugs that shatter common reality.

You might note here we are not putting Buddhists in prison. No, not yet. The common reality leaders like to talk about mind eating drugs like meth, but those are not the drugs they are really afraid of. The worst drugs from their point of view will always be drugs that create alternate cultures.

"There doesn't have to be a conspiracy. If enough people agree, not a word needs saying."-me

"You can say anything you want in this country right up until people start listening to you". -angela davis

"It's a culture war." -pat buchanan
03:05 PM on 11/21/2007
No politician appreciates continuing a dialogue, despite what McCain may say here.

Our election process machine is set to "sound byte" rather than "logical discussion." Until the selector gets closer to the latter, we are stuck in a rut of slow evolution toward Jardis's "smart" policy.

If we made smart, considered, and discussed policies in this country, well, that would resemble democracy in ideal form.

How do we move toward this?
01:23 PM on 11/21/2007
Equating pot with methaphetamines is stupid. Alcohol is much more dangerous than Alcohol or even Coffee for that matter. People have died from coffee , no one has ever died from pot. 100,000 people die a year from alcohol, no one has ever died from pot. Furthermore pot smokers don't get cancer like tobacco smokers because the THC kills cancer.

Pot cures 3 types of cancer and grows nuerons (a treatment for alzhimers.) These are well known govt studies done as early as the 70's.

abovetheignorance.org

Not only that hemp / pot is 5 times more efficient than corn in making ethanol and has thousands of industrial uses that replace crude oil.

go to abovetheignorance.org and learn the truth.

Hemp is illegal because oil and pharmacutical companies want it illegal.

McCain, Romney, Giuliani are all ignorant Jackasses who just like Hitler want to control peoples lives. Karma dictates that they die of cancer or alzhiemers. They are immoral putting people in prison who harm no one.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb!

AND END OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREING OIL.

http://abovetheignorance.org/hemp.html
01:16 PM on 11/21/2007
Speaking of meth, someone should ask McCain why the decongestant pseudoephedrine should be locked behind the pharmacy counter.

People shouldn't have to show ID and sign for a 10-day-maximum supply of Claritin-D. I understand that meth dealers use PSE to synthesize meth in their kitchens. Guess what! They still do! Meth dealers have friends to go shopping for them. Meth dealers have fake ID's. Meth dealers can go to Mexico.

This policy is stupider than making people remove shoes at airports. It's a pointless inconvenience disguised as good government. That and a pile of dog droppings gets you a stinky, messy shoe.
01:04 PM on 11/21/2007
There's too much money being made by the Legal Prison Complex to ever end the war on drugs. To do so would be a war on the war profiteers: prosecutors, judges, public defenders, prison builders, guard's unions, food & uniform suppliers, et. al.

As long as lawyers are law makers who write legislation that clearly benefit lawyers, the war will continue, in other words, forever.
12:47 PM on 11/21/2007
I agree with most of the posts here - the War On Drugs is not working, it's a waste of manpower, money and I think it's only making the problem worse.
What struck me first on this article though was McCain and his response. I used to have a lot of respect for McCain, even if I didn't always agree with him. But he is just getting weird now. And typical of most politicians - instead of the "straight shooter" he used to be - he never completely answers a question, goes around and around on something "safe". He just doesn't seem to be in touch with reality (like when he went to Iraq and harped on about how SAFE it was). I thank him for his service, but I think it is time for him to retire.
12:22 PM on 11/21/2007
Drugs will be misused by the masses no matter which ones are legal and which ones are not legal. Tom Cruise seems to understand better than most.
Can you imagine all the advertising that would occur if all of a sudden you could sell any drug to anyone for anything. No prescription required.
The Viagra ads would pale in comparison to the new ads for meth. The anti-depressant ads would also just become a small annoyance, as opposed to a major one.
I have never understood why we legalize alcohol and we put people in jail for marijuana. But then again, I don't understand how drug companies can put ads on tv that discuss the duration of a hard-on, but singers are punished if they show their breast for one second. It's a weird world.
12:19 PM on 11/21/2007
McCain ias a criminal jack-ass.

Prohibition in the name of regulation is illegal.

He and his ilk should be arrested and held accountable for crimes against the Constitution and u.s. citizens!

After we let out all victims of victimless crimes we may have enough room to incarcerate most mainstream prohibitionists.

MuzzleFlash
12:12 PM on 11/21/2007
As is typical of the political establishment, McCain has no informed thoughts on this issue. The officer is absolutely correct. And marijuana, a plant, is no more addictive than alcohol and far less harmful. Just look at the statistics on the death and destruction caused by alcoholism in this country each year. Yet liquor is legal, but pot is not. That is just ridiculous.
12:05 PM on 11/21/2007
We must all understand that the war on drugs, just like the war on terrorism, is being fought so that US can keep a military presence in many different countries so it can influence the internal politics of these countries by attaching itself to the military arm of their governments'.

Many dictators throughout the world enjoyed some of the best US trained armies which they then used to oppress their people and enjoy American support so long as these dictators played ball with the US i.e Panama's Trujillo.

Just like the war on terrorism, it is unprovoked and can not be won militarily. It also requires a political solution wherein the US uses diplomacy and economic incentives to convince countries whose economies depend on drugs as cash crops to forgo them as a source of revenue.

Reducing the flow of drugs to the US by convincing drug producing countries to abandon them rather than locking up fifteen year old kids and adults who blow a fatty now and then or incarcerating African American males who smoke crack while sentencing their White coke snorting counterparts to bed without their MTV is no solution.

The billions used for military "Enter Dick-tion" could better be spent on prevention and cash assistance to cooperating governments.

McCain, like many of his Republican cohorts, believe that the solution to every problem, from terrorism to global warming is to send in the army. We know all to well how successful that remedy has been in both of these two issues.
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10:17 AM on 11/21/2007
McCain seems to exhibit all the characteristics of untreated alcoholism; irratic behavior, anger followed by humor, inappropriate behavior and statements, inability to form meaningful and lasting relationships. Enough of that. Arizona, where he hails from was one of the first states to offer treatment rather than incarceration for minor drug convictions. California followed suit with the passage of Proposition 36. As a treatment provider I have seen countless individuals turn their lives around as a result of this law. Contrary to what our lawmakers believe or know the cost to society of treating someone is much less than putting them in jail. This does not take in to account the cost to their family, societies cost of having to put the family on public assistance while the breadwinner is in jail, etc. Politicians need to be educated and the police officer who questioned McCain was doing just that, educating a politician who was sold a bill of goods that the so-called war on drugs is the way to go. When you look at the cost of the war on drugs you can see that it is a total failure. In our country alone we have more people in jail and mostly poor people of color. Statistic show that most drug use is done by mostly young white men. In Colombia and Mexico the only ones winning are the corrupt politicians and drug cartels. More drugs are being produced and drugs are easier and less expensive to acquire here in the U.S. Afghanistan is producing record opium crops even while a war rages in that country and we have 30,000 troops there that aren't allowed to do anything about it. The current policy does not deter drug use, it has destroyed families, it has created corrupt allies in other countries and it has cost us billions of dollars that could have been better used elsewhere.