Science Debate 2008: Candidates Invited

Posted February 12, 2008 | 11:19 AM (EST)



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Twelve weeks after launching our website, ScienceDebate2008.com, over 15,000 people -- most, but not all, involved in science, technology, or academia -- have signed on in support of our petition calling for a presidential debate on science and technology policy.

At the end of last week, we sent invitations to Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, and Barack Obama. We are waiting to hear from them.

Among those signing the letter were 89 Organizations, mostly connected to science, technology and academia; 25 Nobel or Crafoord laureates; 32 Government Leaders from both sides of the aisle, including former science advisers to both Republican and Democratic presidents; 44 College and University Presidents; 74 Organization Leaders; 67 Academic and Leading Scientists; 32 Business Leaders, including Craig Barrett of Intel; and 39 Editors, Writers, and Other Thought Leaders, including the editors of Seed, Nature, The Scientist, Science, Scientific American, and Wired.

Our feeling is that in spite of numerous candidate debates, the most vital and far reaching issues of our times have more or less been ignored. None of the candidates have been asked the questions that mattered most:

What are the candidates' detailed plans for the environment, for making sure that we, and more importantly, our children, will be able to live on a healthy and sustainable planet? What should be done about climate change, species loss, fragile oceans, population issues, and threats to global water supplies?

What are the candidates' plans for dealing with medical issues, global diseases and pandemics, funding for medical research, or with the promising but ethically complex ramifications of stem cell research and the decoding of the genome?

What should be done about the strong competition to American scientific innovation that has lately emerged from Asia? What will the next president do to promote and stimulate the scientific and technological communities? How can science education be improved? How can we regain the kind of scientific enthusiasm last seen in the fifties and sixties?

We are a non-partisan citizen-based initiative. The co-chairs of our steering committee are the two influential physicists in Congress, Republican Vern Ehlers, and Democrat Rush Holt. Our co-sponsors for the debate are The National Academy of Science, the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine, the Council on Competitiveness, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The Franklin Institute of Philadelphia will host the debate in the week preceding the Pennsylvania primary in April.

From the start, naysayers have claimed this will never happen. The most depressing reason given is that the public is not interested in science and technology issues and so the candidates can afford to say no.

We do not believe this is true. To say "no" to a debate on science and technology is to say no to all the millions of Americans whose jobs depend on science and technology, and all their children who will have to drink the water and breathe the air we leave them. To say "no" to this debate is to say no to everyone who is sick in this country, or might get sick, or is related to anyone who is sick. And to say "no" to this debate is to say no to all the business leaders who want to know what the next president plans to do to stimulate technological innovation in the face of competition from abroad.

In other words to say not to us is to say no to working people, children, the sick, and the rich and powerful! Of course we can make this debate happen. We can make it happen because it's about the future of America and the rest of the world. And isn't that what we want this presidential campaign to be about?

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- AdamInAz See Profile I'm a Fan of AdamInAz permalink

Anyone who thinks that we have a shortage of scientists and engineers in this country should read the reports "Into the Eye of the Storm" by Lowell and Salzman, Do We Need More Scientists?" by Teitelbaum, and "Is There Shortage of Scientists and Engineers? How Would We Know?" by Butz et al. We do not have a shortage; we have an oversupply problem, which is the direct (and completely predictable) consequence of our government"s skilled-labor immigration policies since 1990. These policies are destroying science and engineering as rewarding professions for American citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 02/19/2008
- dgscol See Profile I'm a Fan of dgscol permalink

American competitiveness and innovation depends on American leaders protecting American interests. That means they have to place this above any offers from foreign countries that might arise, and compromise our innovation, economy, and security.

This extends to who might do science and under what circumstances. An open system, like open economics, tends toward abuse and corruption.

The greatest number of new PhD's in the US to foreign nationals, that remain in US institutions, is China. They control career paths for US citizens and can create railroads for other Asians. They are free to do industrial espionage and eventually return to China as senior scientists. Not good for the old US of A. We cannot compete without innovative advantages. We have our arms tied behind us. Without innovations, we can only compete by restricting external markets.

Our scientific community is the most corrupt ever, replete with nepotism, dishonesty, collusion, and laziness.

The real global dilemma is the next few decades is environmental degradation and overpopulation.
This is a real issue; who cares?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 02/13/2008
- lanceomatic See Profile I'm a Fan of lanceomatic permalink

Is it just coincidence that this post shows up today? Today, February 12, is the anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin (who happens to be an ancestor of Matthew Chapman's). In time when science is virtually ignored by the current "administration," serious discussion is imperitive regarding scientific issues. Something is drastically wrong when a mythological concept, "Intelligent Design" is still on the table, when Huckabee does not accept evolution, when McCain thinks that it should be considered as an "alternative."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/12/2008
- jvarga See Profile I'm a Fan of jvarga permalink

If the administration would just ignore science it would be thing. The big issue is that they actively try to circumvent it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/12/2008
- talking snakes See Profile I'm a Fan of talking snakes permalink

After reading Ray Kurzwiel's book "The Singularity Is Near", it's evident that the next 10 to 15 years will be a watershed in human evolution.
Un-dreampt of answers and problems will be upon us and we will need all the visionary people we can find to help steer us rightly. The ignorance of the christian-muslim conflict will be left in the dust and we'll have to re-imagine our world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 02/12/2008
- desmirl See Profile I'm a Fan of desmirl permalink

Debates revolving around science and technology in the United States quickly devolve into arguments over such things as evolution and the idea of a young (6,000 years) Earth--mainly because the Republican party has fully embraced Christian Fundamentalists--and their world views--in an effort to become the majority party. As meritorius as your ideas are, well-publicized debates on science and technology would widen the rift between to two camps rather than narrow it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 02/12/2008
- SayWhatOneMoreTimeMFer See Profile I'm a Fan of SayWhatOneMoreTimeMFer permalink

Please, please, please let Mike Huckabee attend. If there's a god (and you know there is Mike) the Huckster will add some much needed hilarity to this debate. I think the missing map from the old testament showing where adam and eve buried all the dinosaur bones will be the highlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 02/12/2008
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