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The Facts: Gay Marriage Didn't Tilt 2004 Election

Posted: 05/09/2012 9:49 pm

President Obama's stand today in support of gay marriage has unleashed much conversation surrounding the political impact of his statement and the effect it could have on the electoral map and election this November. And part of this discussion has repeated a myth that I have tried to dispel before and will try again.

The gay marriage initiatives in 2004 on the ballot in 11 states had no discernable effect on turnout among conservatives. Yes, that's right, none. Not even in Ohio, which was a swing state in 2004, won in a close contest by former President Bush.

Today, the myth is repeated over and over that Bush beat Kerry in Ohio in part because of the gay marriage initiative on the ballot. The facts and data simply do not support that conclusion. Yes, conservative turnout was up in Ohio by five percentage points. It was also up five percentage points nationally. And if you look at the conservative turnout increase in the 11 states verses the other 39 states that didn't have gay marriage on the ballot, the conservative turnout was up exactly the same.

Further, if you look at white evangelical and conservative turnout in swing states with gay marriage initiatives versus swing states without them (such as Florida, Pennsylvania and Nevada), again, there is no statistical difference in turnout increases among these groups. Yes, that is right, increase in turnout among key conservative groups did not vary between swing states with and without these initiatives on the ballot.

In 2004, I worked on President Bush's campaign as chief strategist and was deeply involved in examining and determining which issues would motivate conservatives and evangelicals. In all that analysis preparing for the campaign, not a single social issue rose to the top five motivators (not abortion, not gay marriage, not a one). The motivators for that election were national security issues, issues concerning the budget and taxes, and issues surrounding the economy. And these are the issues the campaign put all their resources behind and I constantly advocated internally as our focus.

So again, let's put this myth to rest. Gay marriage initiatives in 2004 did not affect the turnout among conservative voters in any way. It's important as analysts for us to look at the data as it stands and try not to repeat myths just because either side promulgates them over and over to serve their purposes.

Cross-posted from ABC News.

 

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Espantapajaros
Happy Flowers and Puppies and Stuff
01:07 PM on 05/11/2012
Granted, but Obama's presidential candidacy almost certainly affected the outcome of Proposition 8 in California; black American voters tend toward social conservatism rather than social progressivism and he brought record turnout in that demographic.
wiseapple
. just can not fail, if we never, ever stop
12:02 PM on 05/10/2012
Oh, that's right. The gay marriage initiative didn't affect the outcome. If I remember, in that election it was the Diebold voting machine rigging and the lack of voting machines in the heavily Democratic precincts that made the difference in Ohio!
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dch58
To think is to differ.
11:41 AM on 05/10/2012
Not buying it...
09:52 AM on 05/10/2012
I like how you are trying to erase history. If it was NOT a factor, why did you and your party make it one of the most important issue to run on during the 2004 election?

I recall Bush running of federal amendment to ban gay marriage. I don't forget like the average american.
09:45 AM on 05/10/2012
The argument is a non sequitur.

The turnout was not higher in states with these ballot initiatives, therefore marriage equality had no effect. Sorry, but you neglect the fairly glaring possibility that this wedge issue drove conservative turnout up equally in all states, irrespective of whether there was a ballot initiative in each state.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
09:30 AM on 05/10/2012
This isn't 2004.  We're not as mature as we were back then...
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Rendy Bee Mulyono
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08:43 AM on 05/10/2012
As someone who is supposedly smart, the author should've known that 2004 is not 2012. The dynamic and support of gay rights movement have changed considerably. LGBT community is now more mainstream, confident, and louder, with the phenomena now reaching popular shows like Glee. There's a general acceptance towards LGBT, more awareness. So 2012? Who knows? Pundits will talk with their chrystal ball in their mouth, but who knows indeed.
08:26 AM on 05/10/2012
"The gay marriage initiatives in 2004 on the ballot in 11 states had no discernable effect on turnout among conservatives. Yes, that's right, none. Not even in Ohio, which was a swing state in 2004, won in a close contest by former President Bush. "

Total baloney. The 2004 turnout percentages in Ohio's more conservative counties prove otherwise.
08:14 AM on 05/10/2012
"Today, the myth is repeated over and over that Bush beat Kerry in Ohio in part because of the gay marriage initiative on the ballot. "

I've never heard that myth. But neither Kerry nor Bush came out in favor of gay marriage, so this isn't really a good analogy.
abetterplace
Capitalistic reverand
07:27 AM on 05/10/2012
This is not 2004 where we had no candidate openly supporting gay marriage. You are dead wrong on this one and it IS going to make a difference. This could be Obama's worst mistake yet.
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kenhamlett
08:21 AM on 05/10/2012
I strongly disagree. I do not believe the issue will be a real factor in the election outcome. But, I think it will have a positive impact on the President's image as a fair-minded person who does the right thing. I also think it will energize the Democratic party and make supporters more likely to turn out to vote. I tend to believe the article's conclusion that it did not make a difference in 2004. That does not diminish my distaste for the reprehensible manner in which the GOP used the issue, pitting people against one another personally and repeating all the old myths and lies about gays and lesbians. Most surprising of all was that former VP Cheney did not intervene to stop their strategy. He had already endorsed equal marriage, and it was admirable that he was the first national office-holder to take that position. But, he should have stopped the campaign from its actions or at least publicly disagreed with what they were doing.

President's swear to uphold the Constitution. It astonishes me that people would find a presidential statement that all citizens should have the same rights to be controversial. It is not even a political issue -- but an issue of individual rights, fairness and equity. I am also surprised that more Republicans are not moving to support equality. With polls showing that young people overwhelmingly favor equality, the party is jeopardizing its future prospects by defending prejudice.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
09:31 AM on 05/10/2012
Or it could seal the deal, considering no one really wants his alleged opponent.  Perception is everything.
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Adam of CA
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07:21 AM on 05/10/2012
The negative TV campaign expenses by RepubliCons refute the statement that Gay Marriage didn't tilt the 2004 election.

The Holier-Than-Thou Party spent hundreds of millions of dollars bashing Gays in every State as they are currently doing this year (well represented in Mr. Saint's --the self-proclaimed Political Pope-- campaign which backfired in his face).

The RepubliCon Playbook calls it Dirty Little Tricks (named after pres. Nixion) in which after the attack ads the candidates deny they sponsored the culture war. Sound familiar?
Mr. Roman (who wants to be Caesar) is the most famous candidate in Denial about his bashing of minorities during the RepubliCon Primary campaign (Labor Day 2011 thru the current 2012).

The lesson that we all learned from the Bush Campaign under Rowe is that their actions belie their words.
Another lesson we all know from the RepubliCon Party is that they always want to rewrite the history of their fiascoes which we all witnessed in person.
07:05 AM on 05/10/2012
How could it have?

both candidates had the same position
and they still do for the 2012 election

they just talk about it differently to trick their ignorant supporters
06:55 AM on 05/10/2012
nice try, but it is anything but par for the course for a republican to get 13-16 % of the AA vote in any state. Black Christians voted in abnormal quantities for Bush--13% in florida, and 16% in both ohio and pennsylvania.

Instead of you all trying to convince everyone that this move will be politically meaningless to the President, I suggest that people wake up and start taking some measures to counter this. I am an AA evangelical Christian and I know for a fact that this issue peeled several percentage points of votes to Bush. They're already grumbling at my church. I don't expect them to flock to Romney because they have a moral issue with him too, but they will choose not to vote. You can ignore this, but mark my words, it will happen again. I sure hope the LGBT community and the proponents of this initiative can compensate for it.
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
07:09 AM on 05/10/2012
So, if I understand your point, you don't share the view that the president's opinion about same-sex marriage is a civil rights issue, and that Americans of all beliefs and persuasions ought to be entitled and free to live with and marry whomever they please?

Are you able to separate your personal beliefs on the matter and accept the fact that all Americans are entitled to "equal protection under the law," regardless of race, sex, religion, creed, or sexual orientation?

That's what this is all about, isn't it?
07:45 AM on 05/10/2012
Well, as it turns out, you don't understand my point, and that is probably willful on your part. My point is basically the same as everyone else's in this thread, and that is, that this issue DID and likely will again have an impact in the election. I take issue with the writer's position that it didn't happen in 2004, because I saw it happen.

Is it just because I stated that I was an evangelical Christian that you are automatically poised for some battle and decide to pepper me with all your silly questions, instead of recognizing the main point of my post? Is that what this is all about?
06:31 AM on 05/10/2012
Is it because there have been up to now only two positions by anyone who faces a challenging race: the 'no discernible, leave it to the states/voters' position or the straight anti-marriage equality position?

Obama has restored a lot of respect from me by taking this position, but I'm afraid he might have lost he election by it.
MarkInTexas
Moderate is the new liberal.
06:03 AM on 05/10/2012
If it wasn't a factor why did the far right hit it so hard? I call b.s. on this one.
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
07:10 AM on 05/10/2012
Because regardless of the numbers Dowd talks about, it was very simply the fear factor -- fear of the unknown. Or simply cowardice.