Black Women Say Yay or Nay On Hillary

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According to Politico, seven of ten black women lawmakers in congress who have made endorsements, have endorsed Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. UrbnewsTV explores black women's views on Hillary Clinton in the two videos below. Activist Rosa Clemente expresses serious reservations in the first video.

"She's said she's good for going to war... It's her husband who expanded the juvenile justice bill, which now gives us 2.1 million people incarcerated, he's the one that got rid of habeus corpus... he's ythe person who came up with welfare reform, which is why we have an entire underclass of poor women of color and poor white women in the midwest who can't make a living. She was with hi in that house when he did all his dirt... If she wans to be an equalizer and power player, I can't believe she talk to him about these policies at night."

In the second, radio personality Raqiyah Mays expresses her support.

"We want to see a woman in the White House! I think as a black woman, I feel like Hillary was running that White House when Bill was there. As women, if you're married, I'm married, and I know my husband doesn't make a decision without me, and if he does, he's gonna hear it when he gets home. It's gonna be a problem! ... You gotta play hard with the boys."

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[tedbear]

Maybe those black women in Congress are just playing it safe by saying they are for Hillary. After all, Hillary wouldn't believe them if she wins, I mean if Hillary wins those black women are all in. Hillary might make them prove they voted for her because they are black.. BUT, THEY CAN VOTE FOR OBAMA OR NOT, BUT THINK HE'LL BUY THEIR STORY BECAUSE THERY ARE BLACK.

[user168]

In the second, she wants a married woman, any, as long as she plays hard with the boys, (and girls), a bossy cares less about anyone sort of woman.

[robXdion]

The 1st video dealt with FACTS and the logical conclusion from those facts, including race as an often overlooked dynamic between black women and white women. Older black women are sucking up this Hillary "girl-power" movement BS just like the black women that joined the feminists movement and made black men their enemies.

The 2nd video is emblematic of a silly emotional argument built solely around female chauvinism and retribution. No facts. Wrong reasoning. And no grasp on who the Clintons really are. But by golly, let's get a woman in the WH. Character and performance doesn't matter, as long as the next President has a vagina.

[Denni]

Those who vote issues seem to have a mistrust of Mrs. Clinton. Those who want a woman in the White House seem to prefer Mrs. Clinton - if those two pieces accurately portray the sentiment. If the second woman believes that she was running the White House, cool, so what's the point of voting for her now? She's had her two terms. I'm ready to move on.

[S1m0n]

"Those who want a woman in the White House seem to prefer Mrs. Clinton "

Prefer her over which other woman, exactly?

[Anderkoo]

Both comments -- pro-Clinton or pro-Obama -- highlight one of the oddities of having the spouse of a past President standing for that office. Both are trying to connect actions of the Bill Clinton administration with Hillary, differing only on their interpretation of those actions. Where does that leave us with what Hillary stands for, on her own? Are Hillary supporters voting for (and Hillary opponents voting against) a "First Couple" and not Hillary herself? What does that mean for our existing system of democracy, which focuses on individual candidates (though clearly we all look beyond that candidate to family, friends, pastors, etc.)

I've heard many voters who've expressed their support for Hillary openly, or thinly-veiled, as really supporting putting Bill back in office. This is at least somewhat problematic. But on the other hand, I agree with Raqiyah Mays that women/wives rarely get the credit they deserve for what are often really better considered joint achievements.

So i would respond with two questions:

1. To what degree should Hillary Clinton be evaluated as Hillary Clinton, and separated from Bill's career (both his achievements and his failures)?

2. To what extent is is POSSIBLE to separate Hillary's own merits from Bill's? Should we even try?

[robXdion]

Hillary should be attached to Bill Clinton's failures and successes only to the extent to which she supported them as shown with evidence of meetings and documents.

As for her OWN merits, that should speak for itself. And we should try. Its not rocket science. She has her own faults. However, he WILL impact her tenure as president should she make it. And as such, his pros and cons must be included in any discussion of her presidency. Basically, she stands and falls on her own until he opens his big mouth. And even then, she won't need his help in messing up. Just look at her campaign.

[kentay305]

But see Hillary is the one who conviently jumps in and out of.... (i was a part of / not a part of) events going on in his campaign. so you have to take all the good with all of the bad and in retrospect... crime, poverty, and yes HEALTH CARE Billy Clint didnt do so well and she has to be associated with the failues mentioned by Rosa. It shows in the true "polls" which is the voting going on during election day. this is why shes behind this is why she cant get the vote from african americans, and why she will make a wonderful governor of new york one day...and not the president of the united states