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Super Committee Supercollides Over Taxes for Rich

Posted: 11/03/11 11:19 AM ET

We are just one week away from when the Super Committee needs to deliver a deficit-reduction proposal to the Congressional Budget Office and the group is stuck on -- you guessed it -- the question of whether or not to remove tax loopholes for the richest Americans. Does this feel like déjà vu?

The 12-member Super Committee of Congressional and Senate leaders was formed as a compromise when budget negotiations went south last summer. The Committee was tasked with finding $1.2 trillion in savings by Thanksgiving or an automatic provision would kick in reducing Medicare by $600 billion and defense by the same amount -- a stinger to both sides of the aisle. To make the November 23rd deadline the Committee has to deliver its proposal to the CBO to "run numbers" two weeks ahead of time -- i.e. in the next few days. But just like last summer, both sides remain in a heated debate, which is looking more and more like class warfare.

Thus far, the Committee has been largely secretive about negotiations. What we do know comes from leaks and this week's first public hearings: Democrats have proposed $3 trillion in savings; Republicans have proposed $2.2 trillion. In Erskine Bowles' (co-author of the Simpson-Bowles plan) speech to the Committee this week encouraging both sides to embrace their common ground, some specifics emerged, including that both plans propose:

  • $600 billion in Medicare savings (in part by raising the eligibility age from 65 to 67)
  • $300 billion in cuts to other entitlements (not specified further)
  • $200 billion in savings by lowering cost-of-living increases (CPI) for pensioners and Social Security recipients.
  • $900 billion cap on discretionary spending for the next decade, agreed to in August. Democrats are upping the ante proposing another 400 billion in cuts; Republicans propose just under $50 billion.

What, then, accounts for the $800 billion difference between what the Democrats are offering and what the Republicans are willing to accept? You guessed it -- taxes.

Over the summer, House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor were invited to the White House to meet with President Obama and Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner to hear their plan to close tax loopholes and restructure the tax code. If implemented, the effort could find $800 billion in savings. It was nicknamed "the grand bargain."

Back then it wasn't something Boehner could sell to his Tea Party caucus. But given the political backlash his members felt then and some repackaging now, he's hoping he can sell it. The idea is to present this to his folks as a "tax restructuring" rather than a tax increase. That way, a Republican who had signed the Grover-Norquist-no-new-taxes pledge (including himself) could keep their promise.

Enter Grover Norquist. According to Talking Points Memo, "The well-funded anti-tax crusader has secured pledges from the vast majority of Republican members of Congress, including all six GOP members of the Super Committee, to never raise taxes." As such, Norquist is doing everything in his power to stop Republicans from folding on this issue.

What is likely to be at issue are two main points.

First, Democrats want $200 billion in tax revenue increases upfront, which, they say, could be achieved in some significant part by eliminating deductions that benefit the wealthiest Americans -- corporate jets, race horses and carried interest. Second, Democrats want a firm commitment to end (once and for all) the Bush Tax Cuts of 2001, which are up for renewal next year. Republicans (read Grover Norquist) are not amenable to either.

In recent days, a gaggle of Republicans have tried to talk some sense into their Republican brothers. Former Wyoming Senator Alan Simpson, Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss and former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg, have all made presentations to the Committee arguing that the Republicans are nuts to walk away from a deal in which the Democrats are willing to cut treasured programs like Social Security and Medicare. Simpson even took a personal poke at Norquist saying, "If Grover Norquist is now the most powerful man in America, he should run for president," Mr. Simpson said. "There's no question about his power. And let me tell you, he has people in thrall. That's a terrible phrase. Lincoln used it. It means your mind has been captured. You're in bondage with your soul."

But, Mr. Simpson, that's just where the Republicans are -- in bondage to Grover Norquist and to all those monied interests who want to keep their tax credits for corporate jets and their low tax rates courtesy of George Bush. It's greed -- plain and simple -- and at the hand of that greed the rest of America will suffer.

It's time for Republican themselves -- at the call of their elders this week - to stand up to the bullies and the tea-partiers and harken back to the wisdom of old. You can't get what you can't pay for -- even if you are rich.

 

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We are just one week away from when the Super Committee needs to deliver a deficit-reduction proposal to the Congressional Budget Office and the group is stuck on -- you guessed it -- the question of ...
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02:13 AM on 11/30/2011
People can say they are owed their benefits but the money is not there!!! This is now a ponzi scheme. Either make the rich people pay more, or cut spending. Which means social security, Medicare and Medicade and defense. You can cut other stuff to but you have to come up with a trillion dollars a year. How we got here is insane. When Clinton left office the deficit was 3 trillion and the budget was balanced, now it's almost 15!!!
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MovieGuy2010
You can't fight in here..this is the war room!
06:17 PM on 11/03/2011
Well played Dems, very very well played.

IMHO, the stuff the Dems are putting on the table are absolutely anathema to the left wing of the party, particularly the change to the chained CPI index for SS.

But, again, IMHO, they knew going on, by who the Repubs put on the committee, that they would NEVER give a single dollar of new taxes on the rich in return. They are playing with house money, they can put almost anything on the table, to appear like the only reasonable party in the talks.

You can see Simpson et all BEGGING today's Republicans, for a victory that NO OTHER REPUBLICAN ADMIN, even those in POWER, was able to get, massive cuts to SS and Medicare.

But, they won't do it, and because they are SO determined to protect the tax cuts for billionaires, they are potentially giving a President that literally should have almost zero chance of winning re-election, with unemployment still in double figures, fresh life in 2012.
prlabella
Retired policeman, retired banker, active liberal
02:18 PM on 11/03/2011
You touch my medicare or social security or change either law to decrease payouts in any way, you will be defeated in your next election. Us oldies talk a lot but we always show up to vote. I promise to actively campaign against each one of you on line, on the phone, and in person if I can get to your state and district. I've paid for these benefits for nearly and I intend to collect AS PROMISED.
11:48 PM on 11/04/2011
Well, the problem is, you didn't pay for your benefits. Depending on how one views it, you simply paid for benefits others collected, or the government simply took your payments and spent them on other things. The money you paid in isn't there. I agree, in all good faith, you should get benefits back. But to paraphrase your post, the government spent too much and OVERPROMISED. Look across the pond at Greece. So what is the responsible thing to do now?
First of all, in almost all proposals, anyone close to retirement will get everything promised in SS. But for those with more time to prepare, cuts must be made. Cost increases in Medicare must be controlled, with various parties taking a hit (insurers, providers, and yes, patients).
There is also much low hanging fruit in spending still to grab and cut - much disguised as tax breaks (hence Bagby points out, held hostage by those who claim eliminating agricultural and energy subsidies, even with prices near records, would be tax increases).
An ounce of sanity would give a pound of results, to the economy, to the fiscal health, and then free up our ability to help those suffering now.
02:14 PM on 11/03/2011
The government spending now represents 1/3 of our entire economy when only 30 years ago it represented only 20%. For this dramatic increase in government spending, what did it buy us? Have they been good stewards of our money? Has it increased prosperity? Have policies of increased spending helped or hurt the American dream? Were they efficient or wasteful in how they manage our money?

The results are obvious. Rather than allowing the constant drumbeat of more, more, more, we should be demanding better results for the massive amounts that they are already taking from us to perform today only an adequate job.
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01:38 PM on 11/03/2011
Once again the Democrats are failing us, willing to put the screws to the poorest and most needy while the Repugs stand firm in assuring that the richest among us contribute NOTHING to solving the problem.
Rowwdy
Truth Will Set You Free
01:32 PM on 11/03/2011
*Republicans “WAKE-UP”, can’t you see what people like Grover Norquist are doing to our Country, can’t you see how this will affect all of our futures, or has the republican party became so callus and naive that they no longer care about America? Republicans want Medicare and all the other entitlements cut but leave tax increases for the rich off the table? I’m one of those seniors who have paid into Social Security and Medicare for all my working years, and if the republicans think I’m going to get into the fetal position and except whatever you do, you’re “WRONG”. I will vote against every republican in my district and do whatever I can to get other seniors to do the same, and that won’t be hard to do. One positive thing about Grover Norquist and the Tea-Party is that they have allowed America to see the true colors of the Republican Party…
01:22 PM on 11/03/2011
It's encouraging at least that some Republicans are trying to talk sense within their party.
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TakeSake
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01:10 PM on 11/03/2011
Republicans pledge allegiance to princes and potentates.
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Claireify
Annoying grammar geek.
01:06 PM on 11/03/2011
Can anyone give me the names of these morons so I can send personal letters? I've Googled and Binged but all I get is two or three people on the so-called Super Committee, which should be SUPPER COMMITTEE since it seems like they're just shooting the breeze over fine dining. Names please!
03:12 PM on 11/04/2011
Republicans Rob Portman, Dave Camp, Jeb Hensarling, Fred Upton; Jon Kyl, and Pat Toomey
Democrats John Kerry, Max Baucus, Jim Clyburn, Xavier Becerra, Chris Van Hollen, and Patty Murray
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10:08 PM on 11/04/2011
Lynasita, thank you soooo much re: super committee names. IThese folks will be hearing from me although I wish ten million more would join me, Again, much appreciated
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12:35 PM on 11/03/2011
End the Bush tax cuts. That would bring in an extra 4 Trillion. That more than enough to
reduce the deficit keep and it would eliminate the need to make job killing budget cuts.
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missprissanna
the weight of the news nearly broke my back
10:45 AM on 11/03/2011
Now that those of us who aren't wealthy, are facing the most uncertain future, with little hope of financial recovery...now is the time to cut what little security there is for the working class?

We're working harder for less, they're earning more than ever while paying the lowest rates in decades and they can't possibly afford a small tax increase? Cantor or Ryan (same difference) last week called these "devastating" tax increase to the wealthy....really they would be devastated by a small tax increase? Really? How many meals would they do without or long would they delay a needed trip to the dentist?

Boehner said last year, social security and medicare/caid MUST be cut to pay for the wars, there will be NO tax increase.....clearly he meant what he said.

The rich make fortunes on wars the working class/poor fight, now the working class will pay for the war debt and their fortunes, with cuts to the programs we'll need more than ever before....what a concept...

If this isn't class warfare and cruel heartless governing, I don't know what is.
01:44 PM on 11/03/2011
Yes, it is very blatant that there is a class warfare going on - has been since the 70's. Thank you for your honest words above. I hope more people read them.
prlabella
Retired policeman, retired banker, active liberal
02:23 PM on 11/03/2011
I've spent nearly fifty years EARNING and PAYING for my PROMISED benefits. Either give my money back with interest or carry on as prescribed in law.
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ErnestineBass
No longer a cog in The Machine.
12:53 AM on 11/04/2011
Address your concerns to Republican Paul Ryan, aka Mr. Medicare VOUCHER.